So much for "cheap" ARM notebooks

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Intel mentioned on its earnings call that it would be hitting the <$300 price-point on touch-enabled notebooks/convertibles with "Bay Trail".

Anybody want a $500 Lenovo Yoga with a Tegra 3 and Windows RT?

Yeah...
 
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2timer

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Intel17 said:
Intel mentioned on its earnings call that it would be hitting the <$300 price-point on touch-enabled notebooks/convertibles with "Bay Trail".

Anybody want a $500 Lenovo Yoga with a Tegra 3 and Windows RT?

Yeah...
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Interesting, if true. Do you have a source on that?

Sure Intel wants desperately to gain tablet marketshare, but is cutting profit margins really going to benefit them in the long run?
 
Ken g6

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I got my ASUS Transformer with dock for $350. (On sale, but $350 nonetheless.)

Maybe $300 didn't include the Microsoft tax?
 
podspi

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Intel17 said:
Intel mentioned on its earnings call that it would be hitting the <$300 price-point on touch-enabled notebooks/convertibles with "Bay Trail".

Anybody want a $500 Lenovo Yoga with a Tegra 3 and Windows RT?

Yeah...
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Ken g6 said:
I got my ASUS Transformer with dock for $350. (On sale, but $350 nonetheless.)

Maybe $300 didn't include the Microsoft tax?
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Add $100 bucks for the Microsoft 'tax' and I would buy that in an instant. I wonder how much the Wacom 'tax' would be on top of that? :hmm:
 
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What exactly is Bay Trail-T changing vs Clover Trail that will get OEMs to cut prices in half? Is Intel planning on undercutting the tablet market with their own super cheap offerings, or is the idea to sell the chip for -$100 to select partners?
 
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sontin

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Intel17 said:
Intel mentioned on its earnings call that it would be hitting the <$300 price-point on touch-enabled notebooks/convertibles with "Bay Trail".

Anybody want a $500 Lenovo Yoga with a Tegra 3 and Windows RT?

Yeah...
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Tegra costs between $25 - $35 and has a 50% marge.
OEMs can easily build cheap notebooks with ARM SoCs.

/edit: Looking at Intel's Q1 result their Gross Margins are less than 57%. Only 4pp over nVidia. Wow.
 
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StrangerGuy

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"Anybody want a $500 Lenovo Yoga with a Tegra 3 and Windows RT?"

No. Because there is already a $250 ARM Chromebook that is still the #1 seller on Amazon.

How low can Intel shills go again?
 
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sontin said:
Tegra costs between $25 - $35 and has a 50% marge.
OEMs can easily build cheap notebooks with ARM SoCs.

/edit: Looking at Intel's Q1 result there Gross Margins are less than 57%. Only 4pp over nVidia. Wow.
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Given how many ARM tablets there are in the $100-150 range and how it probably costs about $5 to stick a keyboard and hinge on one I'm surprised there aren't more $125-150 ARM notebooks. Because that's the most anyone should want to pay for one given their limited capabilities.
 
NTMBK

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lagokc said:
Too bad the battery life is only ok, not great. If Intel decides to release some cheap ULV Haswell Celerons next year though...
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Stuff Haswell! Get a quad core Atom in there, and I'm more interested.
 
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sontin said:
Tegra costs between $25 - $35 and has a 50% marge.
OEMs can easily build cheap notebooks with ARM SoCs.

/edit: Looking at Intel's Q1 result there Gross Margins are less than 57%. Only 4pp over nVidia. Wow.
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I have to ask, what kind of PC do you use exactly, sontin, since you apparently hate intel and would choose an nvidia ARM SOC over a computer using any sort of intel CPU? :sneaky:
 
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ShintaiDK said:
250$ ARM Chromebook?

Just get a dualcore mobile Celeron one for 199$.
http://www.google.com/intl/en/chrome/devices/acer-c7-chromebook.html#ac-c7

Faster than any ARM CPU will be for some years.
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The performance difference between the two is in many cases not that great (of the four tests done in the AT review the perf differences were 31%, 11%, 0%, 43%). There are now or very soon will be A15 SoCs with double the core count and up to 11% higher clock speed. In ~1 year (give or take a few months) there will be A15 or possibly even A57 SoCs on TSMC 20nm, that will probably increase the peak clock speed of offerings.

So I think your claim that this Chromebook will be faster than any ARM CPU for some years isn't very reasonable... That doesn't mean that this particular CPU isn't terribly artificially restricted, so please no one start an argument with me about how you could just use a better Intel CPU, that isn't the point :p
 
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Anybody want a $500 Lenovo Yoga with a Tegra 3 and Windows RT?
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ARM based windows, that cant run x86 programs..... for 500$.

vs

Intel's Bay Trail or AMD's Temash tablets running real windows 8....


hmmm choices choices....
 
ShintaiDK

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Exophase said:
The performance difference between the two is in many cases not that great (of the four tests done in the AT review the perf differences were 31%, 11%, 0%, 43%). There are now or very soon will be A15 SoCs with double the core count and up to 11% higher clock speed. In ~1 year (give or take a few months) there will be A15 or possibly even A57 SoCs on TSMC 20nm, that will probably increase the peak clock speed of offerings.

So I think your claim that this Chromebook will be faster than any ARM CPU for some years isn't very reasonable... That doesn't mean that this particular CPU isn't terribly artificially restricted, so please no one start an argument with me about how you could just use a better Intel CPU, that isn't the point :p
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You mean the GPU influenced benchmarks? And the Celeron running 800Mhz? And it was tested against Exynos 5, aka A15.

And I think we already established how much "MOAR CORES" brings. ;)
 
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Exophase

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ShintaiDK said:
You mean the GPU influenced benchmarks? And the Celeron running 800Mhz? And it was tested against Exynos 5, aka A15.

And I think we already established how much "MOAR CORES" brings. ;)
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No, I don't mean GPU influenced benchmarks, the ones I listed were the Javascript ones with zero GPU impact (which probably have better codegen on x86 and you'll probably see this advantage continue to drop). No, the Celeron wasn't running at 800MHz, Jason Inofuentes is wrong about this, see the comments - and furthermore it doesn't matter what the CPU is running at, all that matters is what the peak performance of this Chromebook is because that's what you made your statement in reference to.

You are correct that it was tested against Cortex-A15, but since this qualifies as "any ARM chip" I'm not sure why you wanted to mention that..?

MOAR CORES very often does bring a real performance advantage. If you disagree with that then perhaps you believe that Intel should have never bothered selling with anything more than the 2C/2T? In this case with the gap as small as it is double the core count and increased clock speed will pretty quickly close it in a lot of applications, making your claim that this hardware will beat all ARM chips for years highly dubious.
 
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bay trail is only supposed to 2x as fast as current atom. 2x(suck)=suck. youre still gonna be way better off getting ulv i3 like the ones dell released yesterday
 
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