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So more money for hazard pay? Who in IT qualifies?

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TheSiege

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So the senate democrats proposed this Here

It says essential industries, which Data Centers are listed as such.
But it also says frontline workers, which I doubt Data Centers qualify as.
I work in the Critical Facilities department so we have to come in for PM stuff, same with the DC hands who lifecycle and maintain server hardware.

So would we qualify? Would you?
 
I'd qualify (not IT). I'm definitely not losing income from this unless I become infected AND they'd tell me to stay home, which they might not even do. But hazard pay would be a more accurate term, and would make "essential" workers plight slightly more reasonable.

They need to quit using the word "heroes" though, because it denotes that the citizen is "more than regular" and makes it so that people expect those citizens to sacrifice more than other citizens. We just want adequate wages/benefits and the tools to perform our jobs correctly. Hero worship is used by those in power to make designated heroes sacrificial and hence, disposable.

Any time you hear people being called "heroes" for doing their everyday jobs, you can be assured that those "heroes" are being asked to sacrifice themselves for the greater good, without also being compensated fairly and equipped adequately.
 
Hazard pay for IT? Lol...yea right, start talking like that and you be first laid off when the time comes.
 
I saw that story yesterday. Stupid as hell, IMO. Grocery clerks, janitors, bus and truck drivers should NOT be getting hazard pay for doing their regular jobs. Provide them with the appropriate and necessary PPE, let them work.
 
BoomerD said:
I saw that story yesterday. Stupid as hell, IMO. Grocery clerks, janitors, bus and truck drivers should NOT be getting hazard pay for doing their regular jobs. Provide them with the appropriate and necessary PPE, let them work.
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Yikes, is your name and avatar descriptive of your situation?
 
nickqt said:
Makes sense. Fuck minimum wage people stuck working and putting themselves at risk for society as a whole. If they wanted to get paid better, they should have been born 65 years ago, god damn layabouts.
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First...I never said anything remotely like that...but just because they're working those kinds of jobs during this shit shouldn't qualify them for "hazard pay." Like I said...provide them with the necessary equipment to keep them safe.
Next, minimum wage jobs were never meant for people to support themselves with long term. Whose fault is it that they're working crappy jobs? It has nothing to do with when they were born...but rather what they've done in/with their lives. (Like the idiots who go deeply into student debt to get a liberal arts college degree that basically qualifies them to become a Starbucks barista.)
 
BoomerD said:
First...I never said anything remotely like that...but just because they're working those kinds of jobs during this shit shouldn't qualify them for "hazard pay." Like I said...provide them with the necessary equipment to keep them safe.
Next, minimum wage jobs were never meant for people to support themselves with long term. Whose fault is it that they're working crappy jobs? It has nothing to do with when they were born...but rather what they've done in/with their lives. (Like the idiots who go deeply into student debt to get a liberal arts college degree that basically qualifies them to become a Starbucks barista.)
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There are some easy jobs in the military that give you TONS more for similar work. For example, pharm tech in military makes at least 2x more not even counting the ~$2 mil pension after just 20 yrs and subsidized health care. Many jobs require little more than a month in training, yet pay like professional. The horror that the crappiest jobs may get a few thousand more for more risk than what military personnel generally face for their benefits.
 
Hell, I used to ride submarines to test depth. The DOD guys got all kinds of hazard pay to the point that they would record when the sub submerged, and what depth. And they got paid for 24 hours. I got 16 hours and nothing else. I can't imagine the kind of courage it takes to come into an environment that is much more likely to get you killed than the one I was exposed to. My hat is off to all those doctors, nurses, respiratory therapists, and EMTs.
 
BoomerD said:
First...I never said anything remotely like that...but just because they're working those kinds of jobs during this shit shouldn't qualify them for "hazard pay." Like I said...provide them with the necessary equipment to keep them safe.
Next, minimum wage jobs were never meant for people to support themselves with long term. Whose fault is it that they're working crappy jobs? It has nothing to do with when they were born...but rather what they've done in/with their lives. (Like the idiots who go deeply into student debt to get a liberal arts college degree that basically qualifies them to become a Starbucks barista.)
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You expect people to perform "essential" jobs that put their lives and their family's lives in danger for the benefit of society. You expect them to be paid a non-living minimum wage with no hazard pay because, uh, you believe members of the society you live in don't deserve to make a living doing low-paid essential jobs.

Classic Capitalist Deathcult reasoning.

Retired Boomer, indeed.
 
nickqt said:
You expect people to perform "essential" jobs that put their lives and their family's lives in danger for the benefit of society. You expect them to be paid a non-living minimum wage with no hazard pay because, uh, you believe members of the society you live in don't deserve to make a living doing low-paid essential jobs.

Classic Capitalist Deathcult reasoning.

Retired Boomer, indeed.
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Spoken like a "gimme gimme EVERYTHING" Bernie bro who thinks super-sizing fries should pay well enough to buy a mansion.
 
BoomerD said:
First...I never said anything remotely like that...but just because they're working those kinds of jobs during this shit shouldn't qualify them for "hazard pay." Like I said...provide them with the necessary equipment to keep them safe.
Next, minimum wage jobs were never meant for people to support themselves with long term. Whose fault is it that they're working crappy jobs? It has nothing to do with when they were born...but rather what they've done in/with their lives. (Like the idiots who go deeply into student debt to get a liberal arts college degree that basically qualifies them to become a Starbucks barista.)
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You can say that all you want, but yuo really need to step back and look at those working minimum wage jobs....quite a few qualify for better jobs but there are no better jobs available to them. So they work anyways instead of mooching off the guberment!!
 
BoomerD said:
Spoken like a "gimme gimme EVERYTHING" Bernie bro who thinks super-sizing fries should pay well enough to buy a mansion.
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The difference between you and me is I don't talk out of my ass. Well, that and I don't support Capitalist Deathcults.

I'm a Registered Nurse working in the Emergency Department. What essential role are you providing in society, retired Boomer? Besides, of course, wanting people who keep you alive to die, while getting paid poorly, because you're a firm Deathcult supporter.
 
nickqt said:
The difference between you and me is I don't talk out of my ass. Well, that and I don't support Capitalist Deathcults.

I'm a Registered Nurse working in the Emergency Department. What essential role are you providing in society, retired Boomer? Besides, of course, wanting people who keep you alive to die, while getting paid poorly, because you're a firm Deathcult supporter.
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You think nurses, RTs, docs, etc, are paid poorly?
 
TheVrolok said:
You think nurses, RTs, docs, etc, are paid poorly?
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MDs get paid just fine.

RNs, RTs, CNAs, EMT-Ps, EVS, etc., all get paid a fraction of what we're worth to keep a hospital running.

Yes we're underpaid.

Almost all honest labor in this country is underpaid. It's why there's a class of people who are so rich that it might as well be Communism, because they will literally never spend any meaningful fraction of their wealth to live a life unimaginable to 99.999% of the population.

You think the people staffing the hospital are paid just fine? What do you do?
 
nickqt said:
MDs get paid just fine.

RNs, RTs, CNAs, EMT-Ps, EVS, etc., all get paid a fraction of what we're worth to keep a hospital running.

Yes we're underpaid.

Almost all honest labor in this country is underpaid. It's why there's a class of people who are so rich that it might as well be Communism, because they will literally never spend any meaningful fraction of their wealth to live a life unimaginable to 99.999% of the population.

You think the people staffing the hospital are paid just fine? What do you do?
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hahahahahahaaaaaaaaaa
 
TheSiege said:
So the senate democrats proposed this Here

It says essential industries, which Data Centers are listed as such.
But it also says frontline workers, which I doubt Data Centers qualify as.
I work in the Critical Facilities department so we have to come in for PM stuff, same with the DC hands who lifecycle and maintain server hardware.

So would we qualify? Would you?
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I better. I have to go out to every McDonalds, and swap out NMDs, APs, Menu Boards etc.. I'm not wearing the gloves but I do use a mask. Funny thing.. I have two boxes of the surgical masks anyway, because I hate breathing in that shit from the drop ceilings.

Who knew they would become life savers?
 
nickqt said:
MDs get paid just fine.

RNs, RTs, CNAs, EMT-Ps, EVS, etc., all get paid a fraction of what we're worth to keep a hospital running.

Yes we're underpaid.
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Yep, I knew that would be your answer.

I'm an academic internist with a few administrative roles. In the past, I worked two full time jobs for most of college and one for half of med school. One of my jobs during college was an EMT-P, and I also spent a little over a year as an ED Tech (which at that hospital was basically a PCA with a little extra).

I'm curious what your data is to suggest that everyone (except docs...) is underpaid? Sounds like a pretty emotional argument.

Is it dollars per year education? Dollars per hours worked? Dollars per physical labor? Dollars per mental task? Dollars per revenue generated? You're making a "value" argument here, and that's pretty nebulous.

You make a lot of great points in this thread and I absolutely agree with your point on the living wage (and that certainly extends to folks like the EVS workers you mention), but now it seems you may have gone a little off the edge.
 
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BoomerD said:
I saw that story yesterday. Stupid as hell, IMO. Grocery clerks, janitors, bus and truck drivers should NOT be getting hazard pay for doing their regular jobs. Provide them with the appropriate and necessary PPE, let them work.
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There are, I believe, contentions I have with your view which are philosophical in nature. Since there is no universal best set of values, I'll stay away from that for the time being.

There is a big problem with your post which is fact-based, however. There is a lot of uncertainty, but what we seem to have learned is that PPE is very imperfectly effective at protecting yourself. It's best benefit is probably in protecting others from you. Which in theory mitigates your own risk except you are only as safe as the most unsafe person you come into contact with. Most workers are not in position to choose whether someone interacts with them who has total disregard of recommendations. But even in the ideal case the availability of PPE is simply limited. We are using it for mitigation really, not prevention. Anyone choosing to work outside the home right now is assuming some increased risk no matter what they do in attempt to protect themselves. That is the definition of hazard.
 
BoomerD said:
First...I never said anything remotely like that...but just because they're working those kinds of jobs during this shit shouldn't qualify them for "hazard pay." Like I said...provide them with the necessary equipment to keep them safe.
Next, minimum wage jobs were never meant for people to support themselves with long term. Whose fault is it that they're working crappy jobs? It has nothing to do with when they were born...but rather what they've done in/with their lives. (Like the idiots who go deeply into student debt to get a liberal arts college degree that basically qualifies them to become a Starbucks barista.)
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If you need a person to do some work for you, no matter how menial, you need to pay a living wage. Not a mansion wage, but a livable wage. If your company can't afford to pay that livable wage to every employee, then your company does not deserve to survive. If you can automate away the job, fine. If you can't, you need to pay or GTFO.
 
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