So let me guess.

[imported_Shivetya]

The U.S. navy has sent a third aircraft carrier to its Fifth Fleet area of operations, which includes Gulf waters close to Iran, the navy said on Tuesday.


As if this isn't either to provoke or setting the stage for a strike on Iran. All the "intel" leaks, some of very dubious quality, and now a 3rd carrier group?

US 5th Fleet area of operations encompasses about 2.5 million square miles of water and includes the Arabian Gulf, Arabian Sea, Red Sea, Gulf of Aden, Gulf of Oman and parts of the Indian Ocean. This expanse includes three critical waterways: Suez Canal, Strait of Hormuz and Strait of Bab al-Mandeb.

Sorry, but either they are their to provoke a response or act. Perhaps Israel is going to make its move soon? Since the rest of the world won't act on Iran's nuclear ambitions I am curious how long they can hold off.

 

[NeoV]

Isn't this replacing one of the carriers that is currently there?

 

[Harvey]

You expect the U.S. to participate in a war with Iran? With what military? In case you forgot, your Asshole In Chief has already squandered most of the U.S. military in his war of LIES.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Originally posted by: Harvey
You expect the U.S. to participate in a war with Iran? With what military? In case you forgot, your Asshole In Chief has already squandered most of the U.S. military in his war of LIES.

Harvey even if you "didn`t" vote for the man he is all of our A&*^%$ in Chief!! So chill and deal with it!!
hehe

 

[imported_Shivetya]

Originally posted by: Harvey
You expect the U.S. to participate in a war with Iran? With what military? In case you forgot, your Asshole In Chief has already squandered most of the U.S. military in his war of LIES.

I can't tell one President from another, they all lie... so how is Bush different. Oh yeah, it took a war to kill more Americans than your hero did

 

[bsobel]

Originally posted by: NeoV
Isn't this replacing one of the carriers that is currently there?

No, there is now three on station for the time being.

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: Shivetya
I can't tell one President from another, they all lie... so how is Bush different. Oh yeah, it took a war to kill more Americans than your hero did

I have no idea who you think my hero is, but yours and with the rest of his criminal cabal have murdered over 3,600 Americans in his war of LIES, and they're still at it as we speak.

If any other mad dog was running loose in the streets and killing people like that, they'd shoot it first and worry about sympathy for the poor doggie after the stopping immediate threat. If there were any real heroes in Congress, they'd be impeaching the current Prick and Vice Prick, right now, instead of jacking off with words. :thumbsdown: :| :thumbsdown:

 

[imported_Shivetya]

Isn't this a convenient article to appear nearly the same time the fleet gets bigger

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: Shivetya
Isn't this a convenient article to appear nearly the same time the fleet gets bigger

The good news is, that's an Isreali paper, not an Amercan paper. The bad news is, Bush is crazy and stupid enough to try it as a diversion from his fuster cluck in Iraq, regardless of how many more lives it costs. 🙁

 

[ProfJohn]

Originally posted by: Harvey
You expect the U.S. to participate in a war with Iran? With what military? In case you forgot, your Asshole In Chief has already squandered most of the U.S. military in his war of LIES.

Get a grip Harvey; we could bomb Iran for months like we bombed Iraq or Bosnia and we can do that without any effect on the ground troops in Iraq.
We don?t have to invade Iran to accomplish our goals. And if Iran was to try and invade Iraq we would destroy their army once it moved into open ground ala ?the highway of death? from the first Gulf War.

Personally, I have no clue what action is going to take place. I don?t think there is another country in the world more deserving of a bitch slap than Iran, but not sure if you can weight the risks verse rewards and come up with attacking at the best solution.

As the stories about gas rationing show the best course of action would be an embargo on gas imports into Iran and industrial sabotage of their ONE gas refinery. That one two punch will put a TON of pressure on the Iranian leadership.

 

[Lemon law]

Harvey is only somewhat correct--I too have been calling for the impeachment of GWB&Cheney. However, its not for a lack of hero's in congress, its the fact that too many currently in congress will block any and all impeachment attempts as matters stand now.

But in such trying times, some eyes turn to the skies and heavens for inspiration. And its those distant specs on the horizon that puzzle us---is it a bird--- is it a plane--no its not superman--its them damn flying chickens a coming home to roost that will doom GWB&co. And there is a whole flock of those chickens of bad public policy are finally getting near enough to become distinctly visible---all coming to join the already roosting chickens of Katrina, Public Debt, and Rumsfeld.

While the chicken of Presidential executive privilege entertains us with various suicidal acrobats, the Iraq policy chicken can barely stay aloft, and with just the addition of some special effects, would look like a a shot down plane in some bad WW2 movie---trailing a plume of smoke and all. Meanwhile the stinking fog of Gonzales stinks up the other chickens as they too slowly come in to roost.

I have been predicting those chickens of GWB bad public policy would inevitably come home to roost in mass---far too late to suit my taste---but far too early to suit GWB&co. who had hoped that the chickens of bad public policy would have waited until he was safely out of office before coming home to roost.

But when we allow the stupid public policy GWB has brought us--its inevitable that we must reap the forfeit---we can delay it--but sooner or later bad public policy comes home to roost. And its those roosting chickens that will finally be the feather that broke the camels back---and suddenly impeachment will be the new cry of hero's and cowards alike.
We are now getting very close to critical mass on impeachment. The assault has begin. But we are still a little short yet.--just one more good scandal and it may be over the top.

After all---remember the headline of 1929---"Wall Street lays an Egg."----Just wait until we see "GWB lays an egg(s)!!" Roosting chickens lay plenty of eggs---but sadly, the GWB
egg is already rotten.

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: PrevaricatorJohn

Originally posted by: Harvey
You expect the U.S. to participate in a war with Iran? With what military? In case you forgot, your Asshole In Chief has already squandered most of the U.S. military in his war of LIES.

Get a grip Harvey; we could bomb Iran for months like we bombed Iraq or Bosnia and we can do that without any effect on the ground troops in Iraq.

Your lying, war mongering POS administration murderers have been running the show since 2001. So far, they've managed to squander our miltary capability. We've lost over 3,600 troops our military equipment is it tatters with no hope of replacing it anytime soon, and you're all gung ho to embark on another fiasco, and as ususal, you have no concern about the phsical ablity to pull it off, let alone the ethical and moral aspects you always ignore.

And you're telling me I should get a grip? :roll:

Originally posted by: PrevaricatorJohn
Personally, I have no clue...

QFT! :laugh:

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda
Harvey even if you "didn`t" vote for the man he is all of our A&*^%$ in Chief!! So chill and deal with it!!

As hard as the ASSHOLE IN CHEIF and his criminal gang have tried to gut the Constitution, so far, they haven't managed to kill my right to free speech... yet, and they've relaxed the language filter so here's how I'm dealing with it...

FUCK GEORGE W. BUSH AND HIS ENTIRE CRIMINAL ADMINISTRATION! :thumbsdown: :| :thumbsdown:

There... I feel better already. 😎

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda
hehe

You think what they've done is funny? Little boy, you haven't a clue how much you've already lost. 🙁

 

[Craig234]

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda

Originally posted by: Harvey
You expect the U.S. to participate in a war with Iran? With what military? In case you forgot, your Asshole In Chief has already squandered most of the U.S. military in his war of LIES.

Harvey even if you "didn`t" vote for the man he is all of our A&*^%$ in Chief!! So chill and deal with it!!
hehe

Sometimes, the basics of a post expose the confusion of the poster.

Besides the obvious confusion of the argument that anything the commander in chief should not be criticized:

Why is didn't double quoted? How is that different that if it were not quoted? Who is being quoted?

What is the joke the "hehe" is referencing? Why do so many righty posters come across as frat boy mentalities? Including Bush himself with his "hehe" snicker.

 

[Lemon law]

Well---there is one answer to the following---Harvey even if you "didn`t" vote for the man he is all of our A&*^%$ in Chief!! So chill and deal with it!!
hehe

Rather than chill and deal with it---we want to correct the mistakes others made with impeachment----which is a very serious and responsible undertaking.
We are rather long past sick and tired of seeing someone else's brainfart makes one treasonous mistake after another while damaging the country we love.

 

[manowar821]

Originally posted by: [b:moon:]Harvey[/b]

Originally posted by: PrevaricatorJohn

Originally posted by: Harvey
You expect the U.S. to participate in a war with Iran? With what military? In case you forgot, your Asshole In Chief has already squandered most of the U.S. military in his war of LIES.

Get a grip Harvey; we could bomb Iran for months like we bombed Iraq or Bosnia and we can do that without any effect on the ground troops in Iraq.

Your lying, war mongering POS administration murderers have been running the show since 2001. So far, they've managed to squander our miltary capability. We've lost over 3,600 troops our military equipment is it tatters with no hope of replacing it anytime soon, and you're all gung ho to embark on another fiasco, and as ususal, you have no concern about the phsical ablity to pull it off, let alone the ethical and moral aspects you always ignore.

And you're telling me I should get a grip? :roll:

Originally posted by: PrevaricatorJohn
Personally, I have no clue...

QFT! :laugh:

Harvey is 100% correct. You cannot possibly ignore the fact that we have a black and blue military force now, thanks to our joke of an administration. Even if it were the RIGHT CHOICE to attack Iran, we can't do it. Well, unless you want us to get pounded by the Iranian army.

Before we even think about that, though, we have to decide if attacking Iran is even a good idea.

Lastly, how are you going to reinforce our military? Good luck getting many people my age to put our lives on the line for this government in the near future.

The last thing this country should be thinking about is attacking more countries. For the above reasons, and for the last point I have. That point being we can do much better with our diplomacy than we have been doing. Why does it even have to come to war?

Oh right, cha-ching....

Edit: Responding to Harvey's edit... DAMN STRAIGHT.

 

[The Green Bean]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

Originally posted by: Harvey
You expect the U.S. to participate in a war with Iran? With what military? In case you forgot, your Asshole In Chief has already squandered most of the U.S. military in his war of LIES.

Get a grip Harvey; we could bomb Iran for months like we bombed Iraq or Bosnia and we can do that without any effect on the ground troops in Iraq.
We don?t have to invade Iran to accomplish our goals. And if Iran was to try and invade Iraq we would destroy their army once it moved into open ground ala ?the highway of death? from the first Gulf War.

Personally, I have no clue what action is going to take place. I don?t think there is another country in the world more deserving of a bitch slap than Iran, but not sure if you can weight the risks verse rewards and come up with attacking at the best solution.

As the stories about gas rationing show the best course of action would be an embargo on gas imports into Iran and industrial sabotage of their ONE gas refinery. That one two punch will put a TON of pressure on the Iranian leadership.

I think you forgot Israel.

 

[imported_Shivetya]

Originally posted by: manowar821

Harvey is 100% correct. You cannot possibly ignore the fact that we have a black and blue military force now, thanks to our joke of an administration. Even if it were the RIGHT CHOICE to attack Iran, we can't do it. Well, unless you want us to get pounded by the Iranian army.

No he is not 100% correct. You fail to realize that the majority of our Navy is not engaged with Iraq. The same for the Air Force, specifically what we formally knew as the Strategic Air Command. The US military could not support another ground war but it doesn't have to enter Iran to remove the threat.

One Carrier group projects more power than Iran can deal with, 3 is just making sure of it. Thats the problem with whats going on there, they are setting up for something. Either hoping the presence of 3 groups provokes Iran into doing something really stupid or supporting a move by Israel ... using the carrier groups to contain any Iranian response. It really looks like they intend to keep the sea ways open by putting so many ships in the area.

Iran really can't strike at Israel with any ease, they have to get over Iraq first which is essentially US controlled air space. Their military certainly cannot cross it on the ground. That leaves interfering with shipping and that much US firepower in the zone seems to back the idea that we expect something. You don't "just" put 3 carrier groups in a small area like that, they are not cheap to operate and you don't expose other areas just for a stunt.

 

[manowar821]

Originally posted by: Shivetya

Originally posted by: manowar821

Harvey is 100% correct. You cannot possibly ignore the fact that we have a black and blue military force now, thanks to our joke of an administration. Even if it were the RIGHT CHOICE to attack Iran, we can't do it. Well, unless you want us to get pounded by the Iranian army.

No he is not 100% correct. You fail to realize that the majority of our Navy is not engaged with Iraq. The same for the Air Force, specifically what we formally knew as the Strategic Air Command. The US military could not support another ground war but it doesn't have to enter Iran to remove the threat.

One Carrier group projects more power than Iran can deal with, 3 is just making sure of it. Thats the problem with whats going on there, they are setting up for something. Either hoping the presence of 3 groups provokes Iran into doing something really stupid or supporting a move by Israel ... using the carrier groups to contain any Iranian response. It really looks like they intend to keep the sea ways open by putting so many ships in the area.

Iran really can't strike at Israel with any ease, they have to get over Iraq first which is essentially US controlled air space. Their military certainly cannot cross it on the ground. That leaves interfering with shipping and that much US firepower in the zone seems to back the idea that we expect something. You don't "just" put 3 carrier groups in a small area like that, they are not cheap to operate and you don't expose other areas just for a stunt.

And of course, they're not going to tell the American people why they're doing it, that would be a breach of security.

I just don't see how we can do much of anything useful aside from air strikes. Our ground attack is having a hard enough time with insurgency in Iraq, do you think it would be easier in Iran?

 

[palehorse]

I think everyone here, regardless of party and political motivation, should pray every day that we do not go to war with Iran. Not because we couldnt win, but because the war is absolutely unnecessary.

Small black operations to destroy their nuclear facilities should do the trick nicely... going to "war" would be a big mistake.

 

[Arkaign]

Originally posted by: palehorse74
I think everyone here, regardless of party and political motivation, should pray every day that we do not go to war with Iran. Not because we couldnt win, but because the war is absolutely unnecessary.

Small black operations to destroy their nuclear facilities should do the trick nicely... going to "war" would be a big mistake.

Palehorse, I think you are 110% on target here. I do think that the US could undeniably destroy Iran's military and infrastructure without issue, but occupation would be a mess, and the secondary costs associated with the campaign would be severely detrimental to the US as a whole (diplomatically, economically, etc).

I wouldn't be against a black ops/SOPs campaign against their wmd capacity, if it's definite that they are pursuing atomic weapons. I have not personally followed that subject in great detail, so I yield that issue to those that have.

But anyhow, good post :thumbsup:

 

[theeedude]

What makes you think our black ops are capable of destroying Iran's nuke facilities? And, also we are much more vulnerable to Iran's black ops funding, supplying and training insurgents in Iraq against our troops then they are to us destroying their nuclear facilities. We could be in the same position as Russians were in Afghanistan with a well supplied insurgency slowly bleeding us dry.

 

[jrenz]

Originally posted by: Craig234
Why do so many righty posters come across as frat boy mentalities?

Originally posted by: Harvey
...Asshole In Chief ...

...war of LIES...

Originally posted by: PrevaricatorJohn
Personally, I have no clue...

QFT! :laugh:

ASSHOLE IN CHEIF

FUCK GEORGE W. BUSH AND HIS ENTIRE CRIMINAL ADMINISTRATION! :thumbsdown: :| :thumbsdown:

Prick and Vice Prick...

...Asshole In Chief...

What were you saying Craig?

PS - I guess mods are above the law when it comes to the language filter.

 

[manowar821]

Originally posted by: palehorse74
I think everyone here, regardless of party and political motivation, should pray every day that we do not go to war with Iran. Not because we couldnt win, but because the war is absolutely unnecessary.

Small black operations to destroy their nuclear facilities should do the trick nicely... going to "war" would be a big mistake.

palehorse, this is the first time I've ever agreed with you. Of course, I'd like there to be investigations/spy operations to see if there is indeed weapons grade materials being created before the black-ops go in, but that goes without saying.

Good post.

Originally posted by: jrenz

Originally posted by: Craig234
Why do so many righty posters come across as frat boy mentalities?

Originally posted by: Harvey
...Asshole In Chief ...

...war of LIES...

Originally posted by: PrevaricatorJohn
Personally, I have no clue...

QFT! :laugh:

ASSHOLE IN CHEIF

FUCK GEORGE W. BUSH AND HIS ENTIRE CRIMINAL ADMINISTRATION! :thumbsdown: :| :thumbsdown:

Prick and Vice Prick...

...Asshole In Chief...

What were you saying Craig?

PS - I guess mods are above the law when it comes to the language filter.

Not true. I've gotten away with swearing before. Besides, he's right.

 

[jrenz]

Originally posted by: manowar821

Not true. I've gotten away with swearing before. Besides, he's right.

Does that take away from the fact that he's as mature as an 8th grader? Craig needs to evaluate the "lefty" posters on this board in the same manner he chooses to label "righties"

 

[marincounty]

Originally posted by: palehorse74
I think everyone here, regardless of party and political motivation, should pray every day that we do not go to war with Iran. Not because we couldnt win, but because the war is absolutely unnecessary.

Small black operations to destroy their nuclear facilities should do the trick nicely... going to "war" would be a big mistake.

Kind of like how GWB invaded an entire country to remove one person. His own father knew better than to try and occupy Iraq. Why not a black bag operation against Saddam instead?
Mission accomplished, complete failure.