So last night I was on Kazaa..

[docmanhattan]

right. cause that legitimate word document your coworker sent you couldn't possibly have a macro virus in it... and Microsoft never released a CD containing a Nimda infection... and its impossible that "legitimate" freeware might be 0wn3d. After all, we haven't seen any backdoors in Linux software, now have we?

common sense.

Tip : don't have macros enabled or have security settings to not allow macros to run without your content.

That'd really suck if you had one of those CD's. We're you one of the recipients in Korea?

Can you please site "0wn3d" freeware and where you got it from?

I use linux for server applications and keep my daemons patched as necessary. But, then, I think we're talking about desktop use for AV software and not server application.

 

[Stark]

Originally posted by: flavio

Originally posted by: Cuda1447
Step 1: Delete Norton Anti-Virus
Step 2: Use common sense, and be somewhat cautious. Know what your downloading.



If you follow those steps you will be like me, and will never have a virus.



*Note* Use procedure at own risk. May not work.

Dumb

similar advice on avoiding STDs:
Step 1: Never use a condom.
Step 2: Use common sense, and be somewhat cautious. Only have sex with people who look clean.


If you follow those steps you will be like him, and will never know you have a virus.

 

[docmanhattan]

Originally posted by: JudistPriest

Originally posted by: edro13

Originally posted by: Cuda1447
Step 1: Delete Norton Anti-Virus
Step 2: Use common sense, and be somewhat cautious. Know what your downloading.
If you follow those steps you will be like me, and will never have a virus.
*Note* Use procedure at own risk. May not work.

Yeah.... that works

Norton is the best Anti-Virus out there. Keep it updated with Live Update and it works great.
Use common sense? ANYTHING you download can contain a virus, so you can't really be cautious. Do you update your system drivers? Those could contain a virus.... THAT is why you need Norton.


As for the program.... yeah, run it... it should be fine.

where do you download your drivers from??

no kidding, right? where are people going to get freeware and system drivers where there's emminent danger of those files being infected?

sidenote: didn't slammer have seomthing to do with MS SQL 2000 servers?

 

[poopaskoopa]

sidenote: didn't slammer have seomthing to do with MS SQL 2000 servers?

Yes.

 

[docmanhattan]

Originally posted by: Stark

Originally posted by: flavio

Originally posted by: Cuda1447
Step 1: Delete Norton Anti-Virus
Step 2: Use common sense, and be somewhat cautious. Know what your downloading.



If you follow those steps you will be like me, and will never have a virus.



*Note* Use procedure at own risk. May not work.

Dumb

similar advice on avoiding STDs:
Step 1: Never use a condom.
Step 2: Use common sense, and be somewhat cautious. Only have sex with people who look clean.


If you follow those steps you will be like him, and will never know you have a virus.

your analogy doesn't exactly work.

condom != anti-virus software

oh, unless you're having sex all day with strangers, everyday of the week.
Where "sex" means "on a computer" and "strangers" means "downloading executables from kazaa/morpheus/etc and not having a firewall and using low security for macros and scripts"

 

[rahvin]

Originally posted by: docmanhattan

Originally posted by: Stark

Originally posted by: flavio

Originally posted by: Cuda1447
Step 1: Delete Norton Anti-Virus
Step 2: Use common sense, and be somewhat cautious. Know what your downloading.



If you follow those steps you will be like me, and will never have a virus.



*Note* Use procedure at own risk. May not work.

Dumb

similar advice on avoiding STDs:
Step 1: Never use a condom.
Step 2: Use common sense, and be somewhat cautious. Only have sex with people who look clean.


If you follow those steps you will be like him, and will never know you have a virus.

your analogy doesn't exactly work.

condom != anti-virus software

oh, unless you're having sex all day with strangers, everyday of the week.
Where "sex" means "on a computer" and "strangers" means "downloading executables from kazaa/morpheus/etc and not having a firewall and using low security for macros and scripts"

Don't be a fool. Software, drivers and anything else can be infected. Any site that gets cracked can have it's software backdoored, this includes drivers from a commercial companies FTP site. Viri are infrequently run into but it is still very possible to get one. I nearly got infected in college a LONG time ago by using a floppy in a lab computer then putting it in my home computer (which had virus scanning software on it).

Although with good practices you probably won't run into a virus in your daily travels you can run into one and if you do the damage can be unrepairable. Personally I don't mind having a little resources wasted a program that does very little because if it prevents one infection it's saved me hours and hours of work and possibly $$$ in lost data.

 

[Derango]

Originally posted by: docmanhattan

Originally posted by: JudistPriest

Originally posted by: edro13

Originally posted by: Cuda1447
Step 1: Delete Norton Anti-Virus
Step 2: Use common sense, and be somewhat cautious. Know what your downloading.
If you follow those steps you will be like me, and will never have a virus.
*Note* Use procedure at own risk. May not work.

Yeah.... that works

Norton is the best Anti-Virus out there. Keep it updated with Live Update and it works great.
Use common sense? ANYTHING you download can contain a virus, so you can't really be cautious. Do you update your system drivers? Those could contain a virus.... THAT is why you need Norton.


As for the program.... yeah, run it... it should be fine.

where do you download your drivers from??

no kidding, right? where are people going to get freeware and system drivers where there's emminent danger of those files being infected?

sidenote: didn't slammer have seomthing to do with MS SQL 2000 servers?

Doesn't matter if there's "emminent damger". As long as there's a posibility, I'd prefer to have a second line of protection behind the "common sense" front line. Better to have a backup in case you have a lapse in judgement or somthing catches you off guard than spending a couple hours or more cleaning out your system.

 

[eviltoon]

I got a virus ( a minor one and my virus scan did get it) from just visiting a web site and clicking on a thumbnail to enlarge the image. It wasn't a pron site or anything like that. Just a simple fan appreciation page for Asia Argento. I don't even think the guy who ran the site knew that a virus was lurking behind one of his thumnails.

So safe browsing and going to sites you know isn't alwasy that safe. I had been to this site many times before.

 

[docmanhattan]

Doesn't matter if there's "emminent damger". As long as there's a posibility, I'd prefer to have a second line of protection behind the "common sense" front line. Better to have a backup in case you have a lapse in judgement or somthing catches you off guard than spending a couple hours or more cleaning out your system.

you make it sound like it's difficult to do.

that's fine. i'm not saying that you shouldn't use one. i just do not think it's necessary. if it makes you feel safer, then so be it. scan on!

with frequent backups ( a must if data loss is a concern anyways ), a firewall ( another must home or work ), and common sense ( read my sig line for my opinion on that ) then the performance hit and eventual subscriptive fee for updates plus the hassle of compatibility issues with different mail clients other software etc is not worth it.

as a sidenote: the workstations that i administer do have NAV 2003 on them. Why? becausee i don't trust my users, even with t he machines locked down. That's why i say if you think you need it, then fine.

cheers.

 

[hdeck]

wtf are you doing downloading "freeware" from kazaa anyway? i'm sure a good server will give a faster download than crappy cable connections.

 

[Cuda1447]

Originally posted by: Derango

Originally posted by: docmanhattan

Originally posted by: JudistPriest

Originally posted by: edro13

Originally posted by: Cuda1447
Step 1: Delete Norton Anti-Virus
Step 2: Use common sense, and be somewhat cautious. Know what your downloading.
If you follow those steps you will be like me, and will never have a virus.
*Note* Use procedure at own risk. May not work.

Yeah.... that works

Norton is the best Anti-Virus out there. Keep it updated with Live Update and it works great.
Use common sense? ANYTHING you download can contain a virus, so you can't really be cautious. Do you update your system drivers? Those could contain a virus.... THAT is why you need Norton.


As for the program.... yeah, run it... it should be fine.

where do you download your drivers from??

no kidding, right? where are people going to get freeware and system drivers where there's emminent danger of those files being infected?

sidenote: didn't slammer have seomthing to do with MS SQL 2000 servers?

Doesn't matter if there's "emminent damger". As long as there's a posibility, I'd prefer to have a second line of protection behind the "common sense" front line. Better to have a backup in case you have a lapse in judgement or somthing catches you off guard than spending a couple hours or more cleaning out your system.

Your all paranoid. Ive used my computer just fine for the last 4 years and never had any problems. If something happens, I reformat. I pop in my backup drive sitting next to me on my desk and re-install all my vital programs/documents I must have. I don't download drivers unless something doesn't work. My philophy is if it isn't broke dont fix it. So I use my computer, and play with it, and do whatever I want, until something doesnt work. Then I research the problem, and get the solution from a legit source. If that legit source happens to be infected *very rarely* Then I bust out my Win 2k CD. Put up with a few hours of formatting while watching tv. Install my old programs, and *Poof* Ive got a completely clean install thats not cluttered. I guess it was time to reformat any way eh?



Bah.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

In my experience the viri that are likeliest to infect you are so new that the antivirus software folks have not yet included them in their definitions. At work we religiously use Norton, but when the I Love You virus came out, Norton did not identify it for a day and a half, too late to prevent it from more or less incapacitating DoD's e-mail capability.

I do not use virus software at home, and I have been on the Internet since 1994 without ever being infected. I think the risks are widely exaggerated.

 

[Cuda1447]

Originally posted by: Don_Vito
In my experience the viri that are likeliest to infect you are so new that the antivirus software folks have not yet included them in their definitions. At work we religiously use Norton, but when the I Love You virus came out, Norton did not identify it for a day and a half, too late to prevent it from more or less incapacitating DoD's e-mail capability.

I do not use virus software at home, and I have been on the Internet since 1994 without ever being infected. I think the risks are widely exaggerated.

Ahaha, I never got that virus WOOT!

 

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: Cuda1447

Originally posted by: Derango

Originally posted by: docmanhattan

Originally posted by: JudistPriest

Originally posted by: edro13

Originally posted by: Cuda1447
Step 1: Delete Norton Anti-Virus
Step 2: Use common sense, and be somewhat cautious. Know what your downloading.
If you follow those steps you will be like me, and will never have a virus.
*Note* Use procedure at own risk. May not work.

Yeah.... that works

Norton is the best Anti-Virus out there. Keep it updated with Live Update and it works great.
Use common sense? ANYTHING you download can contain a virus, so you can't really be cautious. Do you update your system drivers? Those could contain a virus.... THAT is why you need Norton.


As for the program.... yeah, run it... it should be fine.

where do you download your drivers from??

no kidding, right? where are people going to get freeware and system drivers where there's emminent danger of those files being infected?

sidenote: didn't slammer have seomthing to do with MS SQL 2000 servers?

Doesn't matter if there's "emminent damger". As long as there's a posibility, I'd prefer to have a second line of protection behind the "common sense" front line. Better to have a backup in case you have a lapse in judgement or somthing catches you off guard than spending a couple hours or more cleaning out your system.

Your all paranoid. Ive used my computer just fine for the last 4 years and never had any problems. If something happens, I reformat. I pop in my backup drive sitting next to me on my desk and re-install all my vital programs/documents I must have. I don't download drivers unless something doesn't work. My philophy is if it isn't broke dont fix it. So I use my computer, and play with it, and do whatever I want, until something doesnt work. Then I research the problem, and get the solution from a legit source. If that legit source happens to be infected *very rarely* Then I bust out my Win 2k CD. Put up with a few hours of formatting while watching tv. Install my old programs, and *Poof* Ive got a completely clean install thats not cluttered. I guess it was time to reformat any way eh?



Bah.

Ok, a few hours of reformatting vs. auto-protect, gee, who's talking about common sense here?? lol

 

[docmanhattan]

Ok, a few hours of reformatting vs. auto-protect, gee, who's talking about common sense here?? lol

you're forgetting the performance hit that you take running that in the background ALL THE TIME which equates to lower productivity. Plus, as Don_Vito pointed out, the newer virii aren't even defined yet so then you're not only subjecting your self to lower perfornace AND productivity, you get the virus anyways.

it's a calculated risk. one that has equal arguements on both sides.

 

[feralkid]

Is there any software that will filter out that annoying eye-roll emoticon so many people abuse?

 

[BooneRebel]

Originally posted by: Cuda1447Your all paranoid. Ive used my computer just fine for the last 4 years and never had any problems. If something happens, I reformat. I pop in my backup drive sitting next to me on my desk and re-install all my vital programs/documents I must have. I don't download drivers unless something doesn't work. My philophy is if it isn't broke dont fix it. So I use my computer, and play with it, and do whatever I want, until something doesnt work. Then I research the problem, and get the solution from a legit source. If that legit source happens to be infected *very rarely* Then I bust out my Win 2k CD. Put up with a few hours of formatting while watching tv. Install my old programs, and *Poof* Ive got a completely clean install thats not cluttered. I guess it was time to reformat any way eh?



Bah.

You *never* have problems, but reformat your system to solve them?

 

[docmanhattan]

Originally posted by: feralkid
Is there any software that will filter out that annoying eye-roll emoticon so many people abuse?

in theory, yes.

if you use mozilla, you could set your UserProfle.css (?) to filter out that graphics from pages.

 

[dafatha00]

Originally posted by: BooneRebel

Originally posted by: Cuda1447Your all paranoid. Ive used my computer just fine for the last 4 years and never had any problems. If something happens, I reformat. I pop in my backup drive sitting next to me on my desk and re-install all my vital programs/documents I must have. I don't download drivers unless something doesn't work. My philophy is if it isn't broke dont fix it. So I use my computer, and play with it, and do whatever I want, until something doesnt work. Then I research the problem, and get the solution from a legit source. If that legit source happens to be infected *very rarely* Then I bust out my Win 2k CD. Put up with a few hours of formatting while watching tv. Install my old programs, and *Poof* Ive got a completely clean install thats not cluttered. I guess it was time to reformat any way eh?



Bah.

You *never* have problems, but reformat your system to solve them?

lol, i just saw that. talk about a contradiction

 

[docmanhattan]

Originally posted by: guapo337
Cuda has no life.

i'm sorry, i must've missed something in your post...

was that for or against av software?

 

[TallBill]

Cuda is a wang. Coulda just said "i dont use antivirus"

 

[Cuda1447]

Or I could explain why I dont use them, instead of neffing. And I said I never have any problems, but if I DID, all I would do is reformat. Sometimes my system gets slow, but thats not from virus' thats from to much junk installed, aka my own fault, nothing Norton could help fix. You guys need to learn to read what Im writing, and not read what you want to see.


But like someone said prior, its a calculated risk. One I choose to take.

 

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: docmanhattan

Ok, a few hours of reformatting vs. auto-protect, gee, who's talking about common sense here?? lol

you're forgetting the performance hit that you take running that in the background ALL THE TIME which equates to lower productivity. Plus, as Don_Vito pointed out, the newer virii aren't even defined yet so then you're not only subjecting your self to lower perfornace AND productivity, you get the virus anyways.

it's a calculated risk. one that has equal arguements on both sides.

ok, so when my Athlon 2400+ and 512MG PC2700 stick of Winbond can't run Norton AV, AIM, 5 other things in the systray, and play Warcraft 3, I'll let you know. Nice try on the productivity argument, that may have worked like, in the 90's or something.

 

[Cuda1447]

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: docmanhattan

Ok, a few hours of reformatting vs. auto-protect, gee, who's talking about common sense here?? lol

you're forgetting the performance hit that you take running that in the background ALL THE TIME which equates to lower productivity. Plus, as Don_Vito pointed out, the newer virii aren't even defined yet so then you're not only subjecting your self to lower perfornace AND productivity, you get the virus anyways.

it's a calculated risk. one that has equal arguements on both sides.

ok, so when my Athlon 2400+ and 512MG PC2700 stick of Winbond can't run Norton AV, AIM, 5 other things in the systray, and play Warcraft 3, I'll let you know. Nice try on the productivity argument, that may have worked like, in the 90's or something.

There is still the argument of maintaining, and eventually having to buy "upgrades" for your virus scanner. All that time and money your putting into it because you lack the ability to be careful? Its fine, but the argument is still there that you put alot of work into maintaining this thing, when you will probably still get the virus anyway.

 

[docmanhattan]

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: docmanhattan

Ok, a few hours of reformatting vs. auto-protect, gee, who's talking about common sense here?? lol

you're forgetting the performance hit that you take running that in the background ALL THE TIME which equates to lower productivity. Plus, as Don_Vito pointed out, the newer virii aren't even defined yet so then you're not only subjecting your self to lower perfornace AND productivity, you get the virus anyways.

it's a calculated risk. one that has equal arguements on both sides.

ok, so when my Athlon 2400+ and 512MG PC2700 stick of Winbond can't run Norton AV, AIM, 5 other things in the systray, and play Warcraft 3, I'll let you know. Nice try on the productivity argument, that may have worked like, in the 90's or something.

just because you disagree, doesnt't make me wrong.

tell me why i get my users complaining that their machines are running slower now that NAV is installed?

Pllus, look at your rig setup. Of course your have no issues; your rig is far superior to most peolples and especially most corporations workstations. Not everyone's rig is on the bleeding edge of technology, which is not to say your's is, but it's far closer than most.

nice try though.