So its finally happened

[Lonyo]

Move somewhere good, like the UK

 

[Wreckem]

Originally posted by: FoBoT
so all you guys that want online gambling to be legal in the US, what was the response of your US Congressman and Senators when you contacted them on this issue?

Online gambling has been illegal for a long time. Since well before the internet existed.

They just passed laws to be able to enforce it.

 

[BriGy86]

Originally posted by: Cuda1447

Originally posted by: Fmr12B
These gambling websites are unregulated. They are all offshore and the US has no say as to what they do. Also the US gets no piece of the revenue.


While the Govt protecting it's citizens is an admirable thing, the nanny nature goes against my beliefs in general. But I agree with this because if you go bankrupt and lose your job the Govt will be paying your welfare and those credit card copanies whom you never pay back will charge me higher fees.

So in this case, the nanny govt wins out and you lose.

That logic fails. I can still go to a casino and gamble and lose my life-savings, but I can't do it online. Whats the difference? None. This is simply economics and has nothing to do with the government looking out for its citizens or in any way trying to be fair to its citizens. Its a horrible law.

Casinos are usually on Indian reservations with the exceptions of Las Vegas and (that one place that has the casinos on river boats.)

Indian reservations are technically not in the U.S. so when you visit one you are tech. leaving the country. But I believe your point is still valid.

 

[HeroOfPellinor]

It's funny, you're putting money IN to your account not taking it OUT. Seems like the government is trying to stop addicts from flushing their lives down the toilet from their computer chair. And, ya, get their proper chunk of the profits.

 

[akshatp]

Originally posted by: BriGy86

Casinos are usually on Indian reservations with the exceptions of Las Vegas and (that one place that has the casinos on river boats.)

Dont forget that little town in NJ I think its got a few casinos... (Atlantic City)

 

[FoBoT]

Originally posted by: Wreckem

Originally posted by: FoBoT
so all you guys that want online gambling to be legal in the US, what was the response of your US Congressman and Senators when you contacted them on this issue?

Online gambling has been illegal for a long time. Since well before the internet existed.

They just passed laws to be able to enforce it.

that doesn't answer the question

if you just want to complain on the interet then it won't change

if you really cared maybe you could try to get the law changed

my guess is that most of the people complaining don't vote let alone get involved in the political process, aka contact their representatives to express their view on this in forum that actually matters vs. complaining on OT


have a nice day! :sun:

 

[BriGy86]

Originally posted by: akshatp

Originally posted by: BriGy86

Casinos are usually on Indian reservations with the exceptions of Las Vegas and (that one place that has the casinos on river boats.)

Dont forget that little town in NJ I think its got a few casinos... (Atlantic City)

I believe that's the one I couldn't think of, thanks

 

[SirStev0]

Originally posted by: TallBill
I fail to understand why gambling is illegal in most places anyways. Or prostitution for that matter.

I agree.

 

[IEC]

Myspace is --> that way.

:roll:

 

[Cuda1447]

Originally posted by: Wreckem

Originally posted by: Cuda1447

Originally posted by: Fmr12B
These gambling websites are unregulated. They are all offshore and the US has no say as to what they do. Also the US gets no piece of the revenue.


While the Govt protecting it's citizens is an admirable thing, the nanny nature goes against my beliefs in general. But I agree with this because if you go bankrupt and lose your job the Govt will be paying your welfare and those credit card copanies whom you never pay back will charge me higher fees.

So in this case, the nanny govt wins out and you lose.

That logic fails. I can still go to a casino and gamble and lose my life-savings, but I can't do it online. Whats the difference? None. This is simply economics and has nothing to do with the government looking out for its citizens or in any way trying to be fair to its citizens. Its a horrible law.

Uh another issue is taxes. Winnings at casinos are easily tracked for taxes. Due to the nature of the unregulated internet you could win money and not report it taxes, thus committing multiple crimes.

Casinos are HIGHLY regulated. Online poker was not. Most of the online poker rings were involved in money laundering was well. The operater of BoDog is wanted on multiple federal counts of fraud, money laundering, and tax evasion.

edit

 

[Cuda1447]

Originally posted by: FoBoT

Originally posted by: Wreckem

Originally posted by: FoBoT
so all you guys that want online gambling to be legal in the US, what was the response of your US Congressman and Senators when you contacted them on this issue?

Online gambling has been illegal for a long time. Since well before the internet existed.

They just passed laws to be able to enforce it.

that doesn't answer the question

if you just want to complain on the interet then it won't change

if you really cared maybe you could try to get the law changed

my guess is that most of the people complaining don't vote let alone get involved in the political process, aka contact their representatives to express their view on this in forum that actually matters vs. complaining on OT


have a nice day! :sun:

Why do you think I don't vote? Or that I didnt contact my the proper representatives?


Lets quit hiding the truth guys. It has nothing to do with protecting its citizens, NOTHING. It has everything to do with the government not taxing it. Thats it and thats all. A lot of people DID call/email their local reps. you think it actually made a difference? No. The people who really play poker online are a very small percentage of the american population. The representatives didn't give a sh!t. And I don't have time to take off from school/work to go stage rallies in DC so that I can continue to casually play some poker online.

 

[Kadarin]

Originally posted by: TallBill
I fail to understand why gambling is illegal in most places anyways. Or prostitution for that matter.

I agree with you. These are "crimes" without victims, and the laws are in place only to legislate some particular version of morality.

 

[XZeroII]

Cry me a river. Go smoke some crack and complain about how that is illegal too.

 

[Bootprint]

Pick a number between 1 and 100



Bzzz, Wrong.
Please send me your money.

 

[maziwanka]

are you really surprised here? The gov't can and will regulate vices.

 

[Lonyo]

http://www.pe.com/localnews/inland/stor...E_News_Local_D_poolbust08.259fe1d.html

 

[spidey07]

Originally posted by: akshatp

Originally posted by: BriGy86

Casinos are usually on Indian reservations with the exceptions of Las Vegas and (that one place that has the casinos on river boats.)

Dont forget that little town in NJ I think its got a few casinos... (Atlantic City)

For real! Casino's are NOT usually on Indian reservations. I have one (Caesar's) within 25 minutes of me, a few more within an hour.

As an avid gambler I don't like this legislation one bit. But is this "protecting people" legislation or is it disguised as "gubment is gonna get it's cut"? I say the later.

Luckily I play the ponies so I can gamle online all I want.

 

[spidey07]

On the issue of Casino's being hugely regulated.

I think that is a good thing. I'm all for the gaming commision watching over any legal gambling. They're there to make sure everything is on the up and up.

 

[Gunslinger08]

Originally posted by: Wreckem

Originally posted by: FoBoT
so all you guys that want online gambling to be legal in the US, what was the response of your US Congressman and Senators when you contacted them on this issue?

Online gambling has been illegal for a long time. Since well before the internet existed.

They just passed laws to be able to enforce it.

That's actually incorrect. Online gambling was previously not illegal in a majority of US states and still isn't. Previous laws apply only to placing bets using a telephone and are not applicable to internet gambling. Several Virginia representatives are now trying to pass updates to those federal laws to include online gambling. What is illegal now is the transfer of money, not the gambling itself. This is, always has been, and always will be an issue completely about tax revenue covered up by "ethics" and "morals" related to gambling addiction.

 

[BriGy86]

Originally posted by: Lonyo
http://www.pe.com/localnews/inland/stor...E_News_Local_D_poolbust08.259fe1d.html

Yet we can still bet on horse races and the lottery (the lottery has the worst odds of any type pf gambling)

This is one of the main things I'm confused about.

 

[BriGy86]

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: akshatp

Originally posted by: BriGy86

Casinos are usually on Indian reservations with the exceptions of Las Vegas and (that one place that has the casinos on river boats.)

Dont forget that little town in NJ I think its got a few casinos... (Atlantic City)

For real! Casino's are NOT usually on Indian reservations. I have one (Caesar's) within 25 minutes of me, a few more within an hour.

As an avid gambler I don't like this legislation one bit. But is this "protecting people" legislation or is it disguised as "gubment is gonna get it's cut"? I say the later.

Luckily I play the ponies so I can gamle online all I want.

Where do you live, roughly?

 

[BriGy86]

Originally posted by: spidey07
On the issue of Casino's being hugely regulated.

I think that is a good thing. I'm all for the gaming commission watching over any legal gambling. They're there to make sure everything is on the up and up.

although I see your point. I have to disagree about the main function of the gaming commission. If a game is fixed in a casino it is usually fixed by the operator or dealer (what ever it may be) The casino already has probability on it's side. If it were to rig games it would only lose clients there for losing more money than they would have gained by having a rigged game.

Just a general observation.

 

[TallBill]

In Illinois, several casino "boats" exist. Instead of brining mass crime, they bring the local government mass amounts of money.

 

[weflyhigh]

Originally posted by: BriGy86
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EQxI4bI09Nc

LOL

 

[spidey07]

Originally posted by: BriGy86
Where do you live, roughly?

My profile is enabled. Louisville, KY.

To the point of the gaming comission....
I guess that I just gamble at casinos quite often and I like the rules they have to stick to. I WANT oversight on that. As much as I dislike gubment intervention in anything this is one that I firmly support. It's federal oversight that prevents people from getting duped. So as far as where I stand - allow any gaming, but keep it fair.

Ever seen a die fall off the craps table? Ever seen a dropped card at blackjack? I like the "eye in the sky"...I can leave thousands at a table to take a leak and know it won't be touched.