So it looks like Daschle finally made up his mind

[CPA]

And with this, we can all lay to rest that this decision was Bush's only. With the full support of the Congress (less Byrd, of course), Bush is sending a clear message to both the UN and Iraq that delays and deceit will no longer be tolerated.

 

[shiner]

Oh Daschle made up his mind back in 98 when he was all for dealing with Iraq militarily. He just thought he could get some points by playing politics with the issue and trying to make it a Dem v. Rep thing.

 

[CPA]

Originally posted by: shinerburke
Oh Daschle made up his mind back in 98 when he was all for dealing with Iraq militarily. He just thought he could get some points by playing politics with the issue and trying to make it a Dem v. Rep thing.

Oh I understand, the problem is that most of the public doesn't remember what was said 4 years ago.

 

[HendrixFan]

Hopefully Byrd will go through with his plans on filibustering in the Senate.

When in 98 did a bill asking for a regime change in Iraq come through? I dont remember anything authorizing massive amounts of US troops to take over another country. Speaking of which, isnt regime change a violation of the same UN that we are using as an excuse for regime change?

 

[43st]

We also seem to have a problem with going after the wrong guy. First we stop pressing the search for Osama, I guess no one remembers. Second we go after Iraq with "UN resolution" as our excuse. If we're looking to snatch the biggest UN resolution violator shouldn't we be bombing Isreal?

It's a world made of special interests and double standards. How fitting that our government would be the last remaining super power in a world full of crooks.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Originally posted by: HendrixFan
Hopefully Byrd will go through with his plans on filibustering in the Senate. When in 98 did a bill asking for a regime change in Iraq come through? I dont remember anything authorizing massive amounts of US troops to take over another country. Speaking of which, isnt regime change a violation of the same UN that we are using as an excuse for regime change?

Only Iraq can violate UN resolutions.

Back in 1998, I thought investing heavily in the stock market was a good idea. Now I am much more cautious.

I think the majority of Democrats support Bush, but reluctantly. Democrats dont want to go on record as rubber stamping something many think is wrong.

To address the above, we never decided to wage war with Iraq proper. Even during the Gulf War, GW1 knew marching against Baghdad was not a good idea.

 

[HendrixFan]

March of 2002, 7 months ago, was the last time Bush has mentioned bin Laden in any of his speeches. We have definitely seen a shift from bin Laden to Iraq, moving quickly from one unsuccessful war to this one.

I read a good quote from 1998 from Bush Sr about why we didnt go into Iraq in the Gulf War. He said the losses would have been too large on both sides, and that there wasnt any guarantee a new regime would be any better.

 

[klah]

Originally posted by: HendrixFan
Hopefully Byrd will go through with his plans on filibustering in the Senate.

They only need 60 votes to end a filibuster and this bill will get about 70 votes.

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: HendrixFan
March of 2002, 7 months ago, was the last time Bush has mentioned bin Laden in any of his speeches. We have definitely seen a shift from bin Laden to Iraq, moving quickly from one unsuccessful war to this one.

yeap i agree.

i do think saddam should be taken out though i do not agree with attacking him first.
i just wonder what nation will be next and it scares me.

The US is becoming something that it was NOT ment to be.

 

[klah]

Originally posted by: HendrixFan
March of 2002, 7 months ago, was the last time Bush has mentioned bin Laden in any of his speeches. We have definitely seen a shift from bin Laden to Iraq, moving quickly from one unsuccessful war to this one.

July 8, 2002.
"We haven't heard from him in a long time. I don't know if the man's living or the man's dead. But one thing is for certain; the war on terror is a lot bigger than one person. And as I told the American people, this is going to be a long and -- long struggle. And we're making good progress. We're rounding people up slowly, but surely; we're disrupting networks. But this is -- and these are like international criminals, is what they act like. They kind of hide and order things up and hide again. And we're just patiently hunting them down. And whether or not Osama bin Laden is alive or not, I don't know."
LINK

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: CPA

Originally posted by: shinerburke
Oh Daschle made up his mind back in 98 when he was all for dealing with Iraq militarily. He just thought he could get some points by playing politics with the issue and trying to make it a Dem v. Rep thing.

Oh I understand, the problem is that most of the public doesn't remember what was said 4 years ago.

the average american is an idiot. that can be said of anywhere, though.

 

[HendrixFan]

klah, that was in response to a direct question and not part of his speech.

 

[Tripleshot]

I hope assoon as congress finishes this vote crap, Bush orders the fighters to start taking out the radar and comm sites, and he sends the marines and army ground troops into the theater. Lets get this over with. Its time to stop pussy footing around----debate is over.

The middle east people that want peace can have it; the middle east that wants to end democracy and freedom in Israel and the US, come get some.:disgust:

 

[HendrixFan]

Tripleshot, if you have been paying attention to the Bush Administration, they have been doing exactly that for 2 months now. Which is where the claims of US planes being fired upon come from. Weve got over 100,000 US troops in the region waiting for the orders to move in, we've already been softening them up (including attacking a civilian airport yesterday).

 

[EvenHand]

TripleShot, do you have any evidence (other than your opinion or the naked statements of George Bush) that Iraq wants to end freedom in the U.S.? Please, let us know.

 

[jahawkin]

Originally posted by: HendrixFan
Tripleshot, if you have been paying attention to the Bush Administration, they have been doing exactly that for 2 months now. Which is where the claims of US planes being fired upon come from. Weve got over 100,000 US troops in the region waiting for the orders to move in, we've already been softening them up (including attacking a civilian airport yesterday).

I bet we're just can't wait for one of our planes to be shot down *cough* Gulf of Tonkin *cough*

 

[Zipp]

Many of the Dems have changed there mind. The polls told them that more people support an Iraqi war if needed and you know how those Dems are with there polling data.

Daschle was flipping out 4 weeks about the possiblity of war as were many but now the sudden change...Makes you laugh

 

[HendrixFan]

Actually, only less than 40% of Americans support it if it means "thousands" of American soldiers lose their lives. Seeing as how over 1000 have already been killed in Afghanistan, and many tens of thousands are expected to be killed in a takeover of Iraq (according to Bush Sr), that would mean very few people support it. Even less support it if it means there will be tens of thousands of Americans killed, which is likely for a regime change, something like 25%.

 

[tontod]

Originally posted by: HendrixFan
Actually, only less than 40% of Americans support it if it means "thousands" of American soldiers lose their lives. Seeing as how over 1000 have already been killed in Afghanistan, and many tens of thousands are expected to be killed in a takeover of Iraq (according to Bush Sr), that would mean very few people support it. Even less support it if it means there will be tens of thousands of Americans killed, which is likely for a regime change, something like 25%.

Wait a second, you said over 1000 American soldiers killed in Afghanistan? Thats news to me.

 

[CPA]

Originally posted by: HendrixFan
Actually, only less than 40% of Americans support it if it means "thousands" of American soldiers lose their lives. Seeing as how over 1000 have already been killed in Afghanistan, and many tens of thousands are expected to be killed in a takeover of Iraq (according to Bush Sr), that would mean very few people support it. Even less support it if it means there will be tens of thousands of Americans killed, which is likely for a regime change, something like 25%.

Where is your source. Just two days ago on ABC radio news break, I heard over 50% support it.

 

[HeroOfPellinor]

What if somebody would have proposed removing Hitler before millions had to die?

 

[glenn1]

So it looks like Daschle finally made up his mind

Daschle was flipping out 4 weeks about the possiblity of war as were many but now the sudden change...Makes you laugh

I heard what finally pushed the Democrats over the edge was this report.....

Saddam's latest outrage against his own people.... subjecting them to Whitney Houston

...Nearly 11.5 million voters in this country of 23 million people will be asked to answer ?yes? or ?no? to one simple question: do you agree that Saddam should remain President? In a similar exercise seven years ago, Saddam, who seized power in 1969, won 99.89 per cent of the votes cast. Voters had to write their names on their ballot papers and voted under the gaze of election officials. There were reports of reluctant Iraqis being threatened if they failed to vote. Despite the inevitability of Saddam?s victory, his ruling Baath Party is taking the referendum seriously. It has a slogan: ?Yes, Yes to Our Beloved Leader, Saddam Hussein.? Election posters bear Saddam?s smiling face and a message proclaiming that the leader?s heart beats as one with his people.

Party officials have chosen the Whitney Houston song I Will Always Love You as the campaign theme tune. The song accompanies the dawn-to-dusk election broadcasts on the three state-controlled television stations, which feature almost continuous footage of Saddam.

 

[CPA]

Originally posted by: glenn1

So it looks like Daschle finally made up his mind

Daschle was flipping out 4 weeks about the possiblity of war as were many but now the sudden change...Makes you laugh

I heard what finally pushed the Democrats over the edge was this report.....

Saddam's latest outrage against his own people.... subjecting them to Whitney Houston

...Nearly 11.5 million voters in this country of 23 million people will be asked to answer ?yes? or ?no? to one simple question: do you agree that Saddam should remain President? In a similar exercise seven years ago, Saddam, who seized power in 1969, won 99.89 per cent of the votes cast. Voters had to write their names on their ballot papers and voted under the gaze of election officials. There were reports of reluctant Iraqis being threatened if they failed to vote. Despite the inevitability of Saddam?s victory, his ruling Baath Party is taking the referendum seriously. It has a slogan: ?Yes, Yes to Our Beloved Leader, Saddam Hussein.? Election posters bear Saddam?s smiling face and a message proclaiming that the leader?s heart beats as one with his people.

Party officials have chosen the Whitney Houston song I Will Always Love You as the campaign theme tune. The song accompanies the dawn-to-dusk election broadcasts on the three state-controlled television stations, which feature almost continuous footage of Saddam.

Boy, those .11 who voted no must have some big kahunas, or maybe not after they voted.

 

[HendrixFan]

Yes, over 1000 Americans have been killed in Afghanistan, over 10 times as many as during the Gulf War. Those numbers were as of a month ago, its probably pretty much the same now.

Polling showed over 50% favor the war against Iraq until qualifications such as loss of life come into play, then the polling numbers drastically change. I havent been able to find "expert" of any type who believes regime change in Iraq wont result in thousands of American deaths. Unlike the Gulf War which was fought mostly in the desert, to our advantage, taking out Saddam would require urban warfare, very costly to both sides. Read Bush Sr's own comments on why he didnt invade Iraq.

 

[HappyPuppy]

Yes, over 1000 Americans have been killed in Afghanistan, over 10 times as many as during the Gulf War. Those numbers were as of a month ago, its probably pretty much the same now.

Would you please cite a credible source for this fact that noone else has ever seen or heard?