So i'm going to a bar

[brxndxn]

Just get a manly drink.. If you get a fru-fru cream puff drink, you'll look like a pussy - and you'll probby get sick from all the sugar.

Acceptable drinks:

1. Beer - you may drink 3 total (not combined with other drinks)
2. Gin and Tonic - you may drink 2 total (not combined)
3. Manhattan - only drink ONE

 

[TheVrolok]

Originally posted by: vi_edit

Originally posted by: TheVrolok

Originally posted by: vi_edit

don't really like porters and still want to go with Guinness get a Guinness and Cider.

AKA: The Snake Bite.

Another good combination if they have it is Guinness and Blue Moon. This is called a Belgium Waffle.

I always order it as Guinness and Cider. You gotta be careful with a Snake Bite, there's a shot that's 1:1 Jack and Tequila. An inexperienced bartender/server may not know of the other/the difference. This is why I always call 'em plain ol' Guinness and Cider.

Oh, and where were you for my beer mixes thread? Don't think I've had a Guinness + Belgian White (Blue Moon is eh, I'd rather go with Hoe or Southhampton's Double White or something). That'd be an interesting taste.

Yeh, there are definitely a lot better whites out there than Blue Moon, but it's readily available at a lot bars. It does make for a very unique flavor.

Another thing that was popular with a bunch of my friends in the fall was something they dubbed the "Black Jack". It was Guinness & Pumpkin Ale.

Yeah, I did Guinness and Weyerbacher's Pumpkin which was decent. I also tried Young's Double Chocolate + Weyer's Pumpkin.. not sure if I liked it or not, it was kinda neat, but kinda bizarre.

 

[Jadow]

Originally posted by: ironwing
Diet Pepsi. Seriously. Social drinking as part of the work world is dead and a dead end.

Not where I work.

 

[TheVrolok]

Originally posted by: Jadow

Originally posted by: ironwing
Diet Pepsi. Seriously. Social drinking as part of the work world is dead and a dead end.

Not where I work.

Nor I. But then, I'm an EMT (staff of college kids), Bar Staff (we work at a bar for christ's sake), and student (college kids?) .. so maybe I don't count.

 

[her209]

How about absinthe?

 

[Alistar7]

Drink whatever your boss is having, but don't get drunk.

 

[bignateyk]

Originally posted by: TheVrolok

Originally posted by: Jadow

Originally posted by: ironwing
Diet Pepsi. Seriously. Social drinking as part of the work world is dead and a dead end.

Not where I work.

Nor I. But then, I'm an EMT (staff of college kids), Bar Staff (we work at a bar for christ's sake), and student (college kids?) .. so maybe I don't count.

Also not where I work (defense contractor). We always drink when we travel (usually we drink with our sponsors and customers). Ages involved range from 23 to 60.

 

[Kyle]

Originally posted by: vi_edit

Originally posted by: CraKaJaX

Originally posted by: vi_edit

Originally posted by: trigun500
Is there a name for Vodka and cranberry? Or do i just ask for that?

Common name is Cape Cod. But I usually just say vodka & cranberry in case some there's some weird regional drink that goes by the same name.

If they ask if you want well or shelf (house brand) vodka, say yes. No point in spending 2x the money on a top shelf vodka. You'll never taste the difference when mixed.

I'd have to disagree. You can sure as hell taste the difference between Kettle One and Smirnoff when you mix cranberry with it.

Meh. Most people can hardly tell the difference between vokdas when it's drunk clean. That number plummets even further when you throw a mixer in it. Marketing and the need to be associated as an "XXXX" drinker make your brain think a lot different things.

As for vodka and cranberry being "not manly"...

Who's the bitch? Me drinking what I want to drink or you over there in the corner gagging something down that you hate because you think your manhood is in question if your glass is pink or has a slice of lime on the side?

A real man does what he wants to.

First off- the OP asked for "manly" drinks - it was him that was concernd about it- and, quite frankly, a vodka cran is hardly going to be considered "manly" by people who judge drinks that way...
Secondly, the reason I would never get vodka/cran or pretty much any sweet cocktail is because I really dont like them- cant stand sweet drinks for the most part. So thinking it has to be one or the other (sweet drink vs. gagging something down) is ridiculous.
That said, personally if I'm w/ some friends and someone orders a cocktail/"girly" drink, I dont think anything of it. However, the OP seems concerned about what SOME might concinder "manly", and a vodka/cran probably isnt it.

 

[Farang]

Most answers in this thread were acceptable, however I feel I should clear up a bit.

A Guinness mixed with anything is not manly. It is a weak beer to begin with, WHY WOULD ANYONE (man or woman) MIX IT WITH ANYTHING? May as well order a ginger ale. The beer alone is a good choice, though, especially for a lightweight. The most beautiful beer in the world as well as being the lowest ABV in any connesseur's fridge.

Gin and tonic is the most basic drink acceptable for men, if you are looking to avoid beer and a straight shot of liquor. Vodka tonic is ok too.

Jameson on ice is a safe bet. Many bars give you one shot (if you're lucky) with too much ice and it goes down easy.

To add to my previous statement, beer mixed with anything, even other beer, makes you look like a moron. Beer is like a cigar, meant to be tasted as made. You wouldn't mash two cigars together and smoke them would you? Unless you were in middle school? Then don't do so with beer.

Also don't ask for booze advice on a computer forum because you get the stupid answers I've seen here.

 

[TheVrolok]

Originally posted by: Farang

To add to my previous statement, beer mixed with anything, even other beer, makes you look like a moron. Beer is like a cigar, meant to be tasted as made. You wouldn't mash two cigars together and smoke them would you? Unless you were in middle school? Then don't do so with beer.

Also don't ask for booze advice on a computer forum because you get the stupid answers I've seen here.

..sigh. I really don't understand how one can possibly consider himself any kind of beer connoisseur and say things like that. Are many beers mixed? No. But there are many good mixes of beer, to deny that is simply ignorant. Hell, the Black and Tan is CLASSIC. Beer mixed with beer is simply creating a more complex taste; how is that a far stretched from a more complex non-mixed beer? It's not. It's merely more to offer the palate. Then to say that Guinness is the most beautiful beer in the world is absolutely absurd. Is it decent? Yep. Is it above decent? Yep. But it's pretty ordinary for a connoisseur. Also, the lowest ABV in any connoisseur's fridge? Are you serious? Low? Sure. Lowest? Nah. There are tons of beers with similar/slight lower ABV's that rightfully belong in the fridge. A good number of lambics/gueuzes sit right around Guinness' 4.2ish (draught). Some of us were just offering some suggestions and you had to go and spew beer rubbish.

 

[imported_hscorpio]

Real men shoot black tar heroin...

Drink whatever the hell you like and ignore the idiots.

 

[clamum]

I'm a little partial to Icehouse and Jagerbombs.

 

[TheVrolok]

Originally posted by: hscorpio
Real men shoot black tar heroin...

Drink whatever the hell you like and ignore the idiots.

Pretty much the bottom line, but it sorta seemed like he didn't have much experience with drinking in general? I could be way off, though. Shit, I still think vi's cape code is a good idea. It's safe and tasty. Like he said, if people are worried about being called a pansy... well.. a real man needn't be worried? The Dude drank white russians and he's awesome.. I'm sorry, but I wouldn't say a drink with milk and kahlua is "manly."

 

[Farang]

Originally posted by: TheVrolok

Originally posted by: Farang

To add to my previous statement, beer mixed with anything, even other beer, makes you look like a moron. Beer is like a cigar, meant to be tasted as made. You wouldn't mash two cigars together and smoke them would you? Unless you were in middle school? Then don't do so with beer.

Also don't ask for booze advice on a computer forum because you get the stupid answers I've seen here.

..sigh. I really don't understand how one can possibly consider himself any kind of beer connoisseur and say things like that. Are many beers mixed? No. But there are many good mixes of beer, to deny that is simply ignorant. Beer mixed with beer is simply creating a more complex taste; how is that a far stretched from a more complex non-mixed beer? It's not. It's merely more to offer the palate. Then to say that Guinness is the most beautiful beer in the world is absolutely absurd. Is it decent? Yep. Is it above decent? Yep. But it's pretty ordinary for a connoisseur. Also, the lowest ABV in any connoisseur's fridge? Are you serious? Low? Sure. Lowest? Nah. There are tons of beers with similar/slight lower ABV's that rightfully belong in the fridge. A good number of lambics/gueuzes sit right around Guinness' 4.2ish (draught). Some of us were just offering some suggestions and you had to go and spew beer rubbish.

I'll give you the credit of being knowledgable on beer, yet having very different taste than mine.

The apperance of Guinness is top notch, and maybe I give it too much credit for pure style (the two-minutes it is given at all bars around the world). Personally no beer gives me as much asthetic pleasure as when I watch the countless bubbles of brown mix their way around a pint of Guinness. World-class stouts may look good, but for me none really match that.

Lambics are only considered beer because they have no other category. Can a beer lover love lambics? Sure. Are they in the same isle? Yes. But let's be honest, lambics are the wine-coolers of beer. We drink them when we're in need of fruit. There are few beers that can be "a fuckin' beer" and have as low an ABV as Guinness.

As far as mixing, I hate to offer such a dull rebuttal but I stick to my previous statement. Beer is an art and you speak of mixing a Picasso and Van Gogh to make a painting that pleases a moron.

edit: I'm not calling you a moron, I'm saying let the beer-makers make their beer and let us taste them.

 

[vi edit]

As far as mixing, I hate to offer such a dull rebuttal but I stick to my previous statement. Beer is an art and you speak of mixing a Picasso and Van Gogh to make a painting that pleases a moron.

And I could say that offering a perfect pour of a black and tan is an art and talent in itself. It takes a calm and steady hand to create that perfect cuttoff between the Guinness and whatever is below it. Certainly a drink that draws some attention when it is delivered to your table.

 

[waggy]

Cement mixer!

 

[vi edit]

Originally posted by: waggy
Cement mixer!

Bah. Man up and make it a car bomb.

 

[CellarDoor]

Get whatever you want to drink. If you don't want an alcoholic drink don't get one.

Edit: Or get whatever the boss gets.

 

[TheVrolok]

Originally posted by: Farang

Originally posted by: TheVrolok

Originally posted by: Farang

To add to my previous statement, beer mixed with anything, even other beer, makes you look like a moron. Beer is like a cigar, meant to be tasted as made. You wouldn't mash two cigars together and smoke them would you? Unless you were in middle school? Then don't do so with beer.

Also don't ask for booze advice on a computer forum because you get the stupid answers I've seen here.

..sigh. I really don't understand how one can possibly consider himself any kind of beer connoisseur and say things like that. Are many beers mixed? No. But there are many good mixes of beer, to deny that is simply ignorant. Beer mixed with beer is simply creating a more complex taste; how is that a far stretched from a more complex non-mixed beer? It's not. It's merely more to offer the palate. Then to say that Guinness is the most beautiful beer in the world is absolutely absurd. Is it decent? Yep. Is it above decent? Yep. But it's pretty ordinary for a connoisseur. Also, the lowest ABV in any connoisseur's fridge? Are you serious? Low? Sure. Lowest? Nah. There are tons of beers with similar/slight lower ABV's that rightfully belong in the fridge. A good number of lambics/gueuzes sit right around Guinness' 4.2ish (draught). Some of us were just offering some suggestions and you had to go and spew beer rubbish.

I'll give you the credit of being knowledgable on beer, yet having very different taste than mine.

The apperance of Guinness is top notch, and maybe I give it too much credit for pure style (the two-minutes it is given at all bars around the world). Personally no beer gives me as much asthetic pleasure as when I watch the countless bubbles of brown mix their way around a pint of Guinness. World-class stouts may look good, but for me none really match that.

Lambics are only considered beer because they have no other category. Can a beer lover love lambics? Sure. Are they in the same isle? Yes. But let's be honest, lambics are the wine-coolers of beer. We drink them when we're in need of fruit. There are few beers that can be "a fuckin' beer" and have as low an ABV as Guinness.

As far as mixing, I hate to offer such a dull rebuttal but I stick to my previous statement. Beer is an art and you speak of mixing a Picasso and Van Gogh to make a painting that pleases a moron.

Guinness is indeed wonderful because it's such a prototype for porters. Personally, I'm a Young's Double Chocolate man because I like a bit of real chocolate in my stouts rather than just that roasted taste.

Regarding lambics, it's a very common misconception that they are fruit beers because there are many different times of lambic fruit beers (Lindemann's puts out everything under the sun). However, true lambics are simply a sour/tart beer with little other taste of which to speak - pretty much like watered down gueuzes (kinda 'cause they sorta are ). So they're really not the wine-coolers most people think they are; though this is VERY VERY common because of the popularity of .. really Lindemann's Framboise fruit-lambic. There are so many good things out there to drink.

Guinness definitely has low ABV for a man's "fuckin' beer" that's for certain. I'd have to say the bottle of Judgment Day from Lost Abbey I just drank would have to qualify - dark, complex, 10.8% I think? It could be mistaken for a dark red wine. Good stuff tho

 

[Farang]

Originally posted by: vi_edit

As far as mixing, I hate to offer such a dull rebuttal but I stick to my previous statement. Beer is an art and you speak of mixing a Picasso and Van Gogh to make a painting that pleases a moron.

And I could say that offering a perfect pour of a black and tan is an art and talent in itself. It takes a calm and steady hand to create that perfect cuttoff between the Guinness and whatever is below it. Certainly a drink that draws some attention when it is delivered to your table.

I thought the Black & Tan might come into this. Think of that more as a blended scotch than as a cocktail. Bartenders make cocktails. Brewers make blended scotches.

 

[IronWing]

Originally posted by: vi_edit

Originally posted by: waggy
Cement mixer!

Bah. Man up and make it a car bomb.

I'll bite. What's a car bomb?

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: vi_edit

Originally posted by: waggy
Cement mixer!

Bah. Man up and make it a car bomb.

damn right!

 

[vi edit]

Originally posted by: ironwing

Originally posted by: vi_edit

Originally posted by: waggy
Cement mixer!

Bah. Man up and make it a car bomb.

I'll bite. What's a car bomb?

1/2 pint Guinness
1 oz Jamison
1/2 oz Bailey's Irish cream

Pour Guiness into a pint glass. Float Baileys on top of Jamison in shot glass. Drop shot glass, carefully, into Guiness. Drink quickly before it curdles.

 

[darthsidious]

Originally posted by: Farang

Originally posted by: TheVrolok

Originally posted by: Farang

To add to my previous statement, beer mixed with anything, even other beer, makes you look like a moron. Beer is like a cigar, meant to be tasted as made. You wouldn't mash two cigars together and smoke them would you? Unless you were in middle school? Then don't do so with beer.

Also don't ask for booze advice on a computer forum because you get the stupid answers I've seen here.

..sigh. I really don't understand how one can possibly consider himself any kind of beer connoisseur and say things like that. Are many beers mixed? No. But there are many good mixes of beer, to deny that is simply ignorant. Beer mixed with beer is simply creating a more complex taste; how is that a far stretched from a more complex non-mixed beer? It's not. It's merely more to offer the palate. Then to say that Guinness is the most beautiful beer in the world is absolutely absurd. Is it decent? Yep. Is it above decent? Yep. But it's pretty ordinary for a connoisseur. Also, the lowest ABV in any connoisseur's fridge? Are you serious? Low? Sure. Lowest? Nah. There are tons of beers with similar/slight lower ABV's that rightfully belong in the fridge. A good number of lambics/gueuzes sit right around Guinness' 4.2ish (draught). Some of us were just offering some suggestions and you had to go and spew beer rubbish.

I'll give you the credit of being knowledgable on beer, yet having very different taste than mine.

The apperance of Guinness is top notch, and maybe I give it too much credit for pure style (the two-minutes it is given at all bars around the world). Personally no beer gives me as much asthetic pleasure as when I watch the countless bubbles of brown mix their way around a pint of Guinness. World-class stouts may look good, but for me none really match that.

Lambics are only considered beer because they have no other category. Can a beer lover love lambics? Sure. Are they in the same isle? Yes. But let's be honest, lambics are the wine-coolers of beer. We drink them when we're in need of fruit. There are few beers that can be "a fuckin' beer" and have as low an ABV as Guinness.

As far as mixing, I hate to offer such a dull rebuttal but I stick to my previous statement. Beer is an art and you speak of mixing a Picasso and Van Gogh to make a painting that pleases a moron.

edit: I'm not calling you a moron, I'm saying let the beer-makers make their beer and let us taste them.

What's ironic about your statement is that many beer styles are mixes in themselves. Porters were formed when bartenders mixed stale ales with stouts. A geuze is a blending of 1, 2 and 3 year old lambics. And the list goes on.

The whole point of a mix is that the whole is greater than the sum of parts. Why should it OK to mix cocktails, but not beer? For example, a great sazerac, imo is better than drinking rye whiskey straight and absinth straight - its' the way the smoothness of the anise flavor combines with the peppery bite of the rye whiskey that makes it great.Yes, I understand that you normally want to taste the individual beer (I personally don't drink mixes). But this is like saying that Djing songs is wrong because they're meant to be listened in isolation. If you're careful, the blend can be better than the individual songs.

And as for calling lambics, the "wine coolers" of beer, I'm sorry, you're highly mistaken. Let me guess, lambics for you are the fruited stuff put out by lindemans and chapeau. These breweries use very little base lambic - they're chock full of fruit syrup and artifical sweetners (they can't use sugar - it would ferment), and IMo taste cloyingly sweet. If that's what you like, no problem. Try some truly authentic lambic (and geuzes) from breweries like Cantillion and Drie Fonteniain, and then tell me what you think. These are made in the traditional, wild fermented style, have no fruit (even the fruited versions of these essentially involve soaking whole fruit in the beer, which gives a completely different flavor than lindeman's).A true geuze is sharp, complex, extremely sour and an excellent choice as an apertief and to pair with vinegeratte based salads. Sorry for the rant; I just get upset when people think lambics = fruity stuff for chicks. That is just so far from the truth. However, most authentic lambics are around 6% abv.

As for low abv beers for the fridge, I think English Milds and Bitters kick the crap out of guiness (IMO). Unmatched drinkability, matched with a complex flavour profile make them great session beers. Geary's of New Hampshire makes great beers in this style. One of my favourite beers was a 3.5% abv english cask mild at at Cask ale festival in boston - and I'm the type of person who generally sticks to high abv belgians and stouts/IPA's.

Edit: I meant Gritty McDuff, not Geary's

 

[darthsidious]

Originally posted by: TheVrolok


Guinness is indeed wonderful because it's such a prototype for porters. Personally, I'm a Young's Double Chocolate man because I like a bit of real chocolate in my stouts rather than just that roasted taste.

Regarding lambics, it's a very common misconception that they are fruit beers because there are many different times of lambic fruit beers (Lindemann's puts out everything under the sun). However, true lambics are simply a sour/tart beer with little other taste of which to speak - pretty much like watered down gueuzes (kinda 'cause they sorta are ). So they're really not the wine-coolers most people think they are; though this is VERY VERY common because of the popularity of .. really Lindemann's Framboise fruit-lambic. There are so many good things out there to drink.

Guinness definitely has low ABV for a man's "fuckin' beer" that's for certain. I'd have to say the bottle of Judgment Day from Lost Abbey I just drank would have to qualify - dark, complex, 10.8% I think? It could be mistaken for a dark red wine. Good stuff tho

Hmm, Young's DCS is good stuff. Speaking of Chocolate Stouts, have you had this year's batch of Brooklyn Black Chocolate Stout? That beer is usually *quite* excellent.

BTW, Guinness is a Stout, not a porter (I assume that was a typo).

EDITn your comment on lambics being watered down geuze. Well it's extremely hard to find straight lambic outside of brussels (they usually don't bottle it). But from what I've heard, they tend to be much harsher, and have very little carbonation ( I have 1 bottle of straight lambic that I haven't opened yet - saving it for a special occasion). A gueze is a blend of young and old lambic. The reason they do it is to allow the more complex yeast in the older lambics to ferment the residual sugar in the younger lambics and create fermentation.