So if voter ID is a poll tax and against the constitution, why isnt sales tax on guns

[thraashman]

The act of procuring a firearm is separate from the right itself to bare arms. If the Second Amendment worked like the OP is insinuating then the government would have to ensure you have equal and easy access to firearms as any other citizen. And thus the government would have to ensure run gun stores to guarantee there were ones within a reasonable distance of anyone wishing to purchase one.

Now in my opinion that some states have requirements to regularly renew carry licenses that costs hundreds of dollars, that IS a violation of the Second Amendment.

 

[OutHouse]

Guns are not free, nor has any reasonable reading of the second amendment ever held that guns should be given out freely.

Hence, costs for said right are not illegal.

Conversely, the opposite is generally true for voting.

Umm wtf? Good grief read my op again

 

[WHAMPOM]

why is it ok to charge a government sales tax on my constitutionally guaranteed right to buy guns and ammo but its against the constitution to ID at the polls because its a poll tax.

'cause your right to bear arms is about owing material things and your vote is not?

 

[OutHouse]

'cause your right to bear arms is about owing material things and your vote is not?

Fail

 

[sandorski]

When a govt agent comes crashing down your door. Quickly, go vote your way out of it.

And those changes are enforced by the barrel of a gun.

WTF is this shit? Srsly.

 

[sandorski]

I think this idiotic 'thought' is honestly the reason why the libs think it's OK to trample on the 2nd. To them, just because it's a right granted in the constitution like the others still doesn't make it "equal" to other rights the libs like better or consider more important.

Negative.

 

[Matt1970]

You guys will have to argue with the supreme court.

The state cannot and does not have the power to license, nor tax, a Right guaranteed to the people.

 

[Screech]

You can get a free lawyer since right to counsel is considered a right, voting is free, why should owning a firearm, which every reasonable person considers a right, be so costly?

You can get a free public defender. You can also make your own gun. Neither, generally speaking, will be the cream of the crop.

edit:

Umm wtf? Good grief read my op again

.....ok?

double edit: thraashman did a much better job making the point i was trying to make, lol.

 

[Genx87]

WTF is this shit? Srsly.

What do you mean? Are you denying a gun is more important in my scenario?
Are you denying laws enacted within democracies are enforced at the end of a gun?

 

[monovillage]

The act of procuring a firearm is separate from the right itself to bare arms. If the Second Amendment worked like the OP is insinuating then the government would have to ensure you have equal and easy access to firearms as any other citizen. And thus the government would have to ensure run gun stores to guarantee there were ones within a reasonable distance of anyone wishing to purchase one.

Now in my opinion that some states have requirements to regularly renew carry licenses that costs hundreds of dollars, that IS a violation of the Second Amendment.

What? You have the right to bear arms, but you don't have a right to buy them? Actually procuring a firearm is .......uhh....... like totally different and not a protected right?

 

[thraashman]

What? You have the right to bear arms, but you don't have a right to buy them? Actually procuring a firearm is .......uhh....... like totally different and not a protected right?

My point is that taxing the procurement of the gun is not taxing the right itself. Trying to say that sales tax on the gun is taxing the Second Amendment is like claiming that the public polling place is paid for out of taxes, so it's a poll tax and all taxes are illegal! It's absurd.

 

[Doppel]

It is like some of you don't know what a tax is. OP never implied not hinted that guns should be free!!!! He simply is asking why they are TAXED.

 

[cybrsage]

I have to pay a fee for the right to bear my arms if I want to conceal them. Of course, PA is an open carry state, so I can carry a gun openly without a permit. The problem is that once you get in your car the gun magically becomes concealed and you need a permit to have it in there (if you want it loaded and/or anywhere near the ammo).

Many states require you to buy a license to bear your arms...which really is like a poll tax.

 

[monovillage]

My point is that taxing the procurement of the gun is not taxing the right itself. Trying to say that sales tax on the gun is taxing the Second Amendment is like claiming that the public polling place is paid for out of taxes, so it's a poll tax and all taxes are illegal! It's absurd.

I agree that a tax (as long as it's not prohibitive) is reasonable in regards to the 2nd Amendment, as long as a fee to prove you're a legal voter (as long as it's not prohibitive) is also a legal fee.
Just because it's been decided that it's a poll tax doesn't mean the law shouldn't be and can't be changed.

 

[sandorski]

What do you mean? Are you denying a gun is more important in my scenario?
Are you denying laws enacted within democracies are enforced at the end of a gun?

Where do you live where what you stated has any bearing on reality?

 

[Atomic Playboy]

Where do you live where what you stated has any bearing on reality?

You'll have to forgive him, he's from Virginia. Circa 1776.

 

[zinfamous]

People actually believe that voting changes anything?

Voting is a distraction to placate the masses by letting them think they have a voice.

does owning guns change anything?

 

[Screech]

I think that if you find yourself with a gun facing off against 'the government' (police, SWAT, etc....) you will quickly find yourself in a chrostopher dorner type of situation.

ie, the gun won't help you a whole lot.....

 

[zinfamous]

I think this idiotic 'thought' is honestly the reason why the libs think it's OK to trample on the 2nd. To them, just because it's a right granted in the constitution like the others still doesn't make it "equal" to other rights the libs like better or consider more important.

so dem damn libs think other rights are more important...

which rights do you think are the most important?

 

[Atomic Playboy]

does owning guns change anything?

It will when the King of England marches into your house and starts shoving you around. Where will your vote be then?!??

 

[Moonbeam]

I think this idiotic 'thought' is honestly the reason why the libs think it's OK to trample on the 2nd. To them, just because it's a right granted in the constitution like the others still doesn't make it "equal" to other rights the libs like better or consider more important.

You have imaginary libs up your ass where you put them. Poll taxes were declared unconstitutional, excise taxes are legal. End of story except the brain dead must fashion their own opinions.