So If Hillary Fails, What Is Next For Democrats?

[TheGardener]

You may be a 100% booster of Hillary Clinton for president. Fine. But things are starting to look shaky. So theoretically, if Hillary "decides" to bow out of the primary race, what do the Democrats do? Will someone new step into the ring? Or does Bernie Sanders become the party standard bearer?

This is different than analyzing the Republican campaigns, where there is no Hillary who has had a commanding lead from day 1 to the point of being the defacto party candidate in the nation's eyes.

People are starting to mention former VP Al Gore. Certainly he has name recognition and experience. Also because of friction years back with the Clinton's, he could claim independence from Hillary's baggage.

For a while, there was an assumption that Sen Elizabeth Warren would run against Hillary, but polls earlier in 2015 showed that Warren was a distant second to her. Warren then announced she would not be a candidate in 2016.

My thought is that Warren would be likely to jump in the race. She'd be likely to win President Obama's support. Or so I believe. She'd play up the outsider of Washington politics which Sanders has tried to portray.

Other possibilities?

 

[K1052]

Other possibilities?

A comet striking the planet, previously dormant super virus causing an army of the undead to arise, subjugation by aliens looking for gold led by John Travolta.

Just few ideas off the top of my head.

 

[boomerang]

Biden will enter the race. For Valerie Jarrett, he's a known entity. He can be fairly easily controlled. She's done so for close to seven years so far. Of course the problem with Biden is that he's in the early stages of dementia and one can never tell when the filter in his head will go wonky and he'll start saying whatever is flitting through his brain at the time.

I think she'd be very happy with Sanders but there are concerns regarding whether he's electable. Also, his agenda doesn't sync all that well with hers and he's not going to be anywhere near as easy to control as Biden will be.

Otherwise, at this point they've got nobody. But the nomination is a long way off. The progressives (who we used to call Communists until they reinvented themselves yet again by giving themselves a new moniker) have never been this close to transforming this nation in the hundred or so years they've been attempting to do so. The stakes are high and there is little that progressives feel is out of bounds. This could get real exciting before it's over.

And of course Obama has another 18 months to pull off who knows what. It's been said that it could take as long as several decades if it's even possible to unravel the mess he's made. Putting a Republican in the White House could just mean a slightly slower path to the progressive utopia as there is little difference between the two major political parties these days.

 

[First]

She'll win the Democratic nomination, which guarantees her POTUS given the clown car she's up against.

No one cares about email servers save for inside the beltway types.

 

[MrPickins]

The progressives (who we used to call Communists until they reinvented themselves yet again by giving themselves a new moniker) have never been this close to transforming this nation in the hundred or so years they've been attempting to do so.

Don't you ever get tired of this shtick?

Or do you really not know what communism is?

She'll win the Democratic nomination, which guarantees her POTUS given the clown car she's up against.

No one cares about email servers save for inside the beltway types.

Pretty much this.

 

[Sonikku]

We'd look towards Bernie Sanders. And he would rip the Repub candidate apart in a debate due to their words no longer being their own. Would probably still lose to the 800 pound gorilla super pacs the rich will fund for the right though, as Bernie won't touch them.

Although the sad irony is Hillary isn't going anywhere. She has weathered controversy for so many years now and spent so many years surviving in the public eye that she's basically a controversy professional. Perhaps the best in the country. Benghazi didn't do her in. It's going to take a lot more than server emails. Breaking the law just isn't going to phase her. Now, if she were caught lying about giving another man a BJ? That could do her in.

You can defraud my country and abuse executive power. But I'll be damned if our president is allowed to lie about good wholesome Christian values!

 

[BonzaiDuck]

You may be a 100% booster of Hillary Clinton for president. Fine. But things are starting to look shaky. So theoretically, if Hillary "decides" to bow out of the primary race, what do the Democrats do? Will someone new step into the ring? Or does Bernie Sanders become the party standard bearer?

This is different than analyzing the Republican campaigns, where there is no Hillary who has had a commanding lead from day 1 to the point of being the defacto party candidate in the nation's eyes.

People are starting to mention former VP Al Gore. Certainly he has name recognition and experience. Also because of friction years back with the Clinton's, he could claim independence from Hillary's baggage.

For a while, there was an assumption that Sen Elizabeth Warren would run against Hillary, but polls earlier in 2015 showed that Warren was a distant second to her. Warren then announced she would not be a candidate in 2016.

My thought is that Warren would be likely to jump in the race. She'd be likely to win President Obama's support. Or so I believe. She'd play up the outsider of Washington politics which Sanders has tried to portray.

Other possibilities?

How much was Obama in the news before early 2007? Who is already in the public eye?

I told a story in another thread about seeing W. Bush visiting DC on CSPAN in January, 1999 -- a week after days-long sparring between Clinton lawyer Nicole Seligman and Congressman Graham. CSPAN correspondent asked him if he would run for president in 2000. Bush said "I will not run for president. Washington is a cesspool."

What's sauce for the goose is good for the gander. It's the oldest political lie around -- ever. And since what one says in June can depart from remarks in December with justified changing circumstances, I'd say don't count your chickens.

 

[Indus]

If she bows out, I would give a hard look at Kirsten Gillibrand. She's a much better senator than Hillary ever was.

 

[BonzaiDuck]

If she bows out, I would give a hard look at Kirsten Gillibrand. She's a much better senator than Hillary ever was.

I don't have any unfavorable recollections about her at all.

But they should march her out to the dog and pony show. We're progressing through the beginning of the campaign season.

I guess the only thing to do is wait for the first debate, and see Bernie and Hillary duke it out. Biden could be there -- nothing sure. O'Malley.

Who else? Warren should get in there. A Democratic "Rubio" with a brain-transplant would be welcome.

The polls are less useful this early in an election season. I'd therefore think it's possible for a party to choose an unfortunate candidate. It could sew things up, with or without the e-mail scandal. [How can there be a scandal yet? There's only the finger of suspicion.]

 

[DigDog]

what the US needs is a righteous republican who can rip out the rot from the republican party.


i will accept up to 7% crazy.

 

[MongGrel]

So if The Gardener doesn't make a post like this once a day for the next 15 months, does he fail ?

 

[feralkid]

It's been said that it could take as long as several decades if it's even possible to unravel the mess he's made.

Who says?

Carl Rove?

Dick Cheney?

By every metric outside the looney-tunes conservative bubble, Obama has been a very successful chief executive.

History will bear this out.

Shocking to you, I'm sure, but that's because you live so far outside of reality.





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[Spungo]

Other possibilities?

Does it even matter? We all saw how quickly Obama was broken by the system. None of the bankers were thrown in jail, the idea of transparency went out the window, the idea of protecting whistle blowers went out the window, Edward Snowden had to the flee the country to escape the government. I don't think Obama was lying when he talked about those things. I still believe he's a good guy with a good heart, but even he can't fix this mess. Would the system be any different if Romney or a loaf of bread were president? Probably not. Just look at Obama's face. His hair immediately turned grey, and he looks tired all the time. Just like Bush, he golfs a hell of a lot. You know how guys in a bad marriage end up working a lot? Guys with a meaningless job end up golfing a lot. We could put any other person in that office and get the same result.

That sounds like a lot of jobs, actually. Imagine you're appointed to run a store that is having declining sales. You have lots of great ideas for the company and you can't wait to turn things around. Then you meet the people working for you. They're all idiots, none of them show up on time, they all leave early, and you can't fire them because they're unionized. What's left to do? Take the day off and go golfing.

Dick Cheney?

Guys like Dick are worse than nothing. If you put a good person in charge of the country, they'll try to fix it, fail, and the country is the same 4 years later. If you put a loaf of bread in charge of the country, the bread does nothing, and the country is the same 4 years later. If you put a guy like Dick Cheney in charge, you know he's not trying to improve the country. He's one of them. He is the special interest group, he is the guy trying to get government contracts. If forced to choose between do nothing and go to war, he will pick war.

I have an idea. New constitutional amendment: every federal election MUST have another candidate that is a non-living object, such as a loaf of bread. If bread wins the election, that means nothing happens for 4 years. No wars, no new taxes, no repealed taxed, nothing. Just try again in 4 years. The bread would have no term limits. It can be president for 20 years if none of the parties are capable of finding a candidate people are willing to vote for.

 

[pcgeek11]

We'd look towards Bernie Sanders. And he would rip the Repub candidate apart in a debate due to their words no longer being their own. Would probably still lose to the 800 pound gorilla super pacs the rich will fund for the right though, as Bernie won't touch them.

Although the sad irony is Hillary isn't going anywhere. She has weathered controversy for so many years now and spent so many years surviving in the public eye that she's basically a controversy professional. Perhaps the best in the country. Benghazi didn't do her in. It's going to take a lot more than server emails. Breaking the law just isn't going to phase her. Now, if she were caught lying about giving another man a BJ? That could do her in.

You can defraud my country and abuse executive power. But I'll be damned if our president is allowed to lie about good wholesome Christian values!

That is the issue. There are lots of people concerned with her Top Secret E-mail's than the progressives let on.

And her stupid statement about the wonder of her new snapchat account that deletes the messages all on their own. She breaks the law and then makes fun of it. How arrogant can she be.

 

[pcgeek11]

If she bows out, I would give a hard look at Kirsten Gillibrand. She's a much better senator than Hillary ever was.

So is a used pair of underware.

 

[PokerGuy]

At this point I think it's too late in the game for any other candidate to step into the race with any success on the dem side. hildabeast has been the chosen one for so long, I think the party is just going to stick with her no matter what and know that they still have a very good chance to win.

The only way I could see hildabeast get booted is if there are actual criminal charges filed against her -- and there's no way obummer is going to let that happen.

If things get really crazy and hildabeast is swept aside, I suspect they'll drag the Goron into the mix, or some other idiot like Warren.

 

[FelixDeCat]

another democrat

 

[boomerang]

The only way I could see hildabeast get booted is if there are actual criminal charges filed against her -- and there's no way obummer is going to let that happen.

I don't agree at all. I have believed all along and still believe that Valerie Jarrett is behind the continuing escalation. If VJ wants it, Obama is for it. Loretta Lynch knows who's signing her paychecks and she wouldn't be AG if she didn't know and accept that. I believe that Hillary will be indicted on misdemeanor charges related to the emails. The only way she won't is if she cuts a deal which will entail her dropping out.

If she isn't at the very least indicted, we're done as a nation. That's not partisan bullshit, that's my firm belief. Are we ever to draw a line on what is and what is not acceptable for elected officials and those seeking office? If Hillary gets away with getting her way, we might as well just pack it in. The corruption will be fully condoned, fully acceptable, and just another facet of the status quo. Everybody seems to have forgotten of late about the pay to play aspects swirling around the Clinton Foundation. Are we to allow in your face corruption on this level to become acceptable? That's a rhetorical question because it appears that perhaps we are.

 

[feralkid]

If she isn't at the very least indicted, we're done as a nation.

Really?
Hyperbole much?

 

[Paratus]

Isn't it obvious:

Al Gore (with deadly lasers instead of deadly slide shows):

 

[sportage]

Of want I understand about this, Hillary had pre-arranged with the justice dept to have her own private server.
That was no problem. They gave her the ok. And it has been done before.
As far as classified stuff, the justice dept handles that end.
All the classified stuff only goes thru the government server(s), not Hillary's private server.
The issue was when justice dept people "mis-labeling" a few classified emails that Hillary had no control over.
If it came to her private server mis-marked non-classified by the justice dept, how is that Hillary's blame?

Secretary of States come and go.
The people that run the justice department are serving from administration to administration.
If they become sloppy, then we should have congress deal with the justice department people, and there place all the blame.

So other than that, and once people understand the facts, Hillary isn't to blame. And her having a private server for non-classified communications is nothing more than you having a personal GMAIL or YAHOO email account separate from your work assigned email account.

You should use your work email account only for business related to work.
And use your Gmail account for other non work related personal matters.
Well, this is the same with a justice department server and Hillary's private server.
It is up to your company to send business related emails to your employer assigned email account, and not to your personal Gmail or Yahoo account.
If your company sent private business related emails to your Gmail account, how would that be your fault?
It wouldn't.
It would be fully your companies fault. Their screw-up.
Same with the justice dept and Hillary.

Remember, the whole issue here is emails that Hillary had no control over, none what so ever.
Emails that were mis-marked by the justice department, not Hillary, and then sent to Hillary's personal server as non-classified.

I find it amazing but not surprising that the media gets all bent out of shape over stuff they really do not understand. And they tend to echo right wing garbage that has no legitimacy.
And what are they actually saying here?
That Hillary is a crook? That Hillary is un-American? That Hillary would intentionally sabotage the US government? Or that Hillary is some commie spy?
Just what are they, the media and the right wing republicans, accusing Hillary of here?

Or... maybe this is simply because Hillary is a woman that served in a high government position, and now seeks the presidency of the United States?
And the right wing feels both jobs are only for the old white American males.
Hmmmmm.

Hillary is not a commie plot nor a soviet spy.
And both of the Clinton's have honorably served America, not mentioning the Monica thing.
Which technically, a president having sexual control issues is not that uncommon.
JFK had his moments with the ladies, and so did several past presidents besides JFK and Bill Clinton.
Some were caught, some were not.
Some kept it quiet, and some left stains on a blue dress.
But, all that still did not stop Bill Clinton from giving the American people one of the best economies in American history.
Bill Clinton kept us out of war, and gave the middle class a pretty nice living.

It would be a tragic mistake for a fudged email issue to keep Hillary from the presidency.
To distract the American people by all the nonsense from the right wing republican sound machine. And repeated by the sloppy tabloid prone news media.
And possibly opening the door for another Bush, or worse, as the next president.
Is that what people want? Another Bush as president?

Which, by the way, how many senate hearings have we had on the GW Bush administration failures of 9/11 ???
A few mis-marked emails surely amount to little if anything compared to how and why GW Bush and Condoleeza Rice allowed 9/11 to take place.
Why they missed all the warning signs.
And why any American president strolls hand in hand with Saudi kings over oil rights.
This should be the investigation that never ends, and consumes republicans in the house and senate to no end. 9/11.

PS...
Hillary would be a great honorable president just as she has been as Secretary of State and as first lady.
No one really need guess what our future would be under another Bush, now do we?
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[Moonbeam]

That's not partisan bullshit, that's my firm belief.

You can be hysterically funny.

 

[thraashman]

I don't agree at all. I have believed all along and still believe that Valerie Jarrett is behind the continuing escalation. If VJ wants it, Obama is for it. Loretta Lynch knows who's signing her paychecks and she wouldn't be AG if she didn't know and accept that. I believe that Hillary will be indicted on misdemeanor charges related to the emails. The only way she won't is if she cuts a deal which will entail her dropping out.

If she isn't at the very least indicted, we're done as a nation. That's not partisan bullshit, that's my firm belief. Are we ever to draw a line on what is and what is not acceptable for elected officials and those seeking office? If Hillary gets away with getting her way, we might as well just pack it in. The corruption will be fully condoned, fully acceptable, and just another facet of the status quo. Everybody seems to have forgotten of late about the pay to play aspects swirling around the Clinton Foundation. Are we to allow in your face corruption on this level to become acceptable? That's a rhetorical question because it appears that perhaps we are.

I appreciate it when you strap on that big flashing sign that reads "I'm a loon", makes it so much easier to walk right past you and on to people with sane things to say.

 

[Sonikku]

Which, by the way, how many senate hearings have we had on the GW Bush administration failures of 9/11 ???

Don't tell that to Chinatown boy. In his bubble only the dems break the law/get away with it and are turning the country into a pay to play plutocracy.

 

[BurnItDwn]

I dont care for Clinton. I hope her campaign implodes. If we nominate Sanders, he might actually have a chance to bring about some changes and help bring the USA to the modern age.