so I will be getting a new comp...

[lookouthere]

it got up to 3.2ghz. I will post some pic later

 

[lookouthere]

Alright. I got it up to 3.3Ghz now. Testing if it's stable. http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc.php?id=329119

 

[lookouthere]

it is now scaled back to 3.24. on lower volt

 

[TheJian]

Originally posted by: lookouthere
I am getting AMD A64 x2 5000 Black Edition and Gigabyte GA-MA78GM-S2H which is based on 780G chipset. How well does that CPU overclock?

I love AMD (hope they win their case and get some billions before bankrupt) but why not core2? It's a 10-15% loss no matter how you slice it.

If we establish 2160@3.2ghz as matching E6750 here in games (and mostly dominating it in apps/vid/audio on the other pages even beating a 3.0 6850 sometimes):
http://www.tomshardware.com/20...m_dual_core/page8.html

Then we look at what that same e6750 does to the 3ghz 6000+ here in games (about 12% avg across the board when looking at apps etc too):
http://www.anandtech.com/cpuch...howdoc.aspx?i=3012&p=9
Also note from 2.8ghz AMD to 3.0ghz you only get about 2%. So we have the 6750 at 10% faster basically and the 3.2 e2160 dominating that 6750 in everything but the ties in games. So at worst 3.2 vs 3.2 you have a 10% lead (games except vid limited ones) and usually far more in everything else. Look around the web at which you can get more from. Is it easier to hit MORE than 3.2 with the 2160 or black? I say hands down 2160 (with many hitting 3.4-3.6). So the victory just gets worse. Now take the extra $25 you save on the chip and toss it into the video card. Games and this victory take on a whole new meaning as we could now be talking 20-25% across the board (games or apps).

Now, add to that phenom looks like it is doomed. I'm thinking shanghai will be here before phenom hits 3.2 (last roadmap I saw says 2.8 late Q3 which in amd speak is Q4). So you'll need a new board for shanghai(true?). No upgrades then unless a slow quad is ok (could be wrong they could hit 3.0 in a few revs). Intel however could give a 32nm penryn and it's easy to see 4ghz quads released (even on 45nm) by Q4 when they can hit that now. Black is good but...Hmm...Not saying it's slow, all of these recent chips are fast from both.

 

[TheJian]

Originally posted by: lookouthere
no reason. but maybe one To support AMD!!!

ok...I can stomach that. I waited for along time myself for phenom. I tried.

But these days (bad economy etc, 10% layoffs everywhere, housing plunging) I'm all about performance for buck. If Walmart put out a cpu tomorrow that made Intel look like crap I'd be running a walmart chip the next day and not opening my x3110 arriving next week...I'd be singing RMA for credit baby... Assuming i'd drive down the street and pick one up...walmarts are like 7 eleven these days (on every corner).

 

[TheJian]

Originally posted by: chinaman1472

Originally posted by: lookouthere
no reason. but maybe one To support AMD!!!

A horrible reason, unless you have financially invested into the company.

Maybe that's why I switched to Intel. I made 12K on amd 2yrs ago but gave back 9 of it 6 months later...LOL. I still thank them though, that 3K was still better than nothing. Or looking at it another way, maybe thats why I held out so long for phenom and kept running my X2 3800. I felt I owed them? Who knows what goes on in an overclockers head?

If phenom would hit 3.2 next month (sooner? pump it up AMD) I sure would like to have their stock again. Unfortunately I still want to keep that 3K so I buy Intel instead right now I see their stock hitting 26-30 following nehalem. Look at the PE etc. At $19 a few weeks back you're sitting pretty. Heck it hit $18. Even if it hits $24 by xmas you've made serious money. Maybe they'll by me a nehalem...ROFL and I'll be thanking Intel. I'd still defect to AMD ASAP if they get real close with shanghai. Maybe shocksyde/lookout don't have a bad idea after all. I don't want to return to $500 celerons.

 

[TheJian]

Originally posted by: lookouthere
it is now scaled back to 3.24. on lower volt

ROFL. I should just start reading from the bottom up from now on. Already bought, and overclocked. The 780G rocks for with no card compared to what? G35...pfft.. That can't even run a game...heh. Look at the last paragraph in anands review of 780G...LOL. Where is the guy in the Intel screenshot? WTF happened to the graphics? crap gpu!

Well, for anyone else out there Intel unless integrated. Then I agree it's AMD hands down.

Good to see you hit 3.2+

With just a vid card that would still rock. We aren't even seeing games FULLY taxing duals yet. So there's a ton of meat on that carcass left to eat

I'm clearly way past burnout, being up all night at my age...

 

[Philgag]

Just wanted to chime in as I bought lately a new system for general purpose/light gaming/vista 64bits. I selected component for a very low cost route and decided to go with AMD to support them a bit, too. Overall the system was very cost effective (scored good rebates) and feels very snappy in vista and in lastest games. I am very happy with my purchase. For a couple buck more I probably could have gone intel and get more bang for the buck and more OC room, but right now i'm not interested in OC.... and what really is 10% performance in everyday task? Most of the time, that 5fps average more or that 10 seconds less to render something will hardly be noticed... and I'm not talking web surfing here Buy what make you happy! unless you try veryhard, buying a computer that is utter crap and slow is very hard these days !

 

[IL2SturmovikPilot]

3.24GHZ eh? Wonder if i could get similar results with a cheapy X2 4200+

 

[TheJian]

Originally posted by: Philgag
Just wanted to chime in as I bought lately a new system for general purpose/light gaming/vista 64bits. I selected component for a very low cost route and decided to go with AMD to support them a bit, too. Overall the system was very cost effective (scored good rebates) and feels very snappy in vista and in lastest games. I am very happy with my purchase. For a couple buck more I probably could have gone intel and get more bang for the buck and more OC room, but right now i'm not interested in OC.... and what really is 10% performance in everyday task? Most of the time, that 5fps average more or that 10 seconds less to render something will hardly be noticed... and I'm not talking web surfing here Buy what make you happy! unless you try veryhard, buying a computer that is utter crap and slow is very hard these days !

I agree except where it concerns a video card. Cpu's all run games (pretty) good. But a graphic card can totally KILL your gaming. Congrats on sticking to helping AMD. I wish they were just a bit better, I might have been able to justify it. Yeah, MS word just waits on you a little faster...LOL. AS long as your game plays 40fps (account for minimum dips) you'll be happy on whatever. I totally concur that without OCing being considered, and pricing matched from AMD/Intel we usually end up with AMD actually winning that war a bit. Non-overclockers should flock to AMD. Great value there.

I would definitely tell people to check tomshardware.com and look at the VGA charts before deciding anything. While I hate their cpu reviews (since Tom sold out, reviews have seriously slanted toward Intel usually) their vga charts are great. I needed 1920x1200 for my 24in Dell. I hate lowering my desktop (never very good to be anything but native on an LCD) so I pretty much had 8800GT OC or above as a choice. Even then a few games are out of my reach in my mind and I'll just wait for my next card (for those very few) which based on my upgrade habits is about 6-8months...LOL. But if games are not a persons thing (or rendering/3D/heavy photoshop workstation type stuff), throw a dart at the PC board because they can all do Office/Internet (everyday tasks to me) fine.

 

[nanaki333]

all my servers i build for work are AMD based. them lil x2 3600 - 4000s for do the job just fine for most anything windows related. load it up with memory and i'm good to go. i did build 1 server and got a phenom chip for it. the results were.... troubling... but i'll still use the X2s

 

[TheJian]

Originally posted by: lookouthere
I still think AMD is cheaper to build since i use 780G chipset w/o discrete graphic. If I go with Intel, I would have to buy a graphic card. Hennethannun is right, I dont think I really will push all that cpu out. I also dont think this system will last a year because I am waiting the tri or quad amd to drop price Btw, What is FUD?

I didn't see anyone answer your FUD question.

Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt. Or the spreading of likely BS information to further ones own cause/agenda.

For instance: The anandtech article on their front page about wolfdale (sorry guys...That article sucked...While informative about limits etc, it seemed to sell OCing down the river to benefit Intel...hmmm). They make it sound like your chip will die in a day if you overclock and it voids your warranty. So when your chip dies you're screwed.

I call that FUD. I've never heard of Intel (proven) denying a chip RMA because they could diagnose your cpu was running overvolted or overclocked. Someone chime in here if they have any links. I'm not talking your chip lit of fire which is obviously a sign of something you might have done...LOL. On top of that what kind of fool calls Intel/AMD for an RMA and says, "yeah I overclocked it to death...can you send me a new one?". I'd lie my arse off if it was more than $150 chip. "What's overclocking? I don't have to get in my PC to do that do I?"...I could think up much more creative stuff given time...hehe. But the idea is to sell that I'm an idiot and wouldn't know an overclock if it hit me over the head.

Even if there was something inside that say, got stuck when you killed it showing the volts, who's to say something else didn't set it off? I'm pretty sure they just toss it and ship a new one (I can see it being used for troubleshooting their process but not catching me). It probably costs more to cut it open and check it than to ship a new one. Sure it costs a LOT to DEVELOP a chip, but once that's over it's throw away for them to produce one once ramped up. Everything has it's price. As a PC tech we'll often re-image your system rather than waste the time to fix it because it costs more to troubleshoot in a large networked environment. If I spend 3hrs fixing a problem when I could have imaged your drive in 10 minutes and put your data back in another 5, I'm an idiot in my bosses view.

 

[Philgag]

Originally posted by: TheJian
I agree except where it concerns a video card. Cpu's all run games (pretty) good. But a graphic card can totally KILL your gaming. Congrats on sticking to helping AMD. I wish they were just a bit better, I might have been able to justify it. Yeah, MS word just waits on you a little faster...LOL. AS long as your game plays 40fps (account for minimum dips) you'll be happy on whatever. I totally concur that without OCing being considered, and pricing matched from AMD/Intel we usually end up with AMD actually winning that war a bit. Non-overclockers should flock to AMD. Great value there.

I would definitely tell people to check tomshardware.com and look at the VGA charts before deciding anything. While I hate their cpu reviews (since Tom sold out, reviews have seriously slanted toward Intel usually) their vga charts are great. I needed 1920x1200 for my 24in Dell. I hate lowering my desktop (never very good to be anything but native on an LCD) so I pretty much had 8800GT OC or above as a choice. Even then a few games are out of my reach in my mind and I'll just wait for my next card (for those very few) which based on my upgrade habits is about 6-8months...LOL. But if games are not a persons thing (or rendering/3D/heavy photoshop workstation type stuff), throw a dart at the PC board because they can all do Office/Internet (everyday tasks to me) fine.

Yeah, the videocard choice basically comes down to how much you play and how much you wanna pay. A non gamer can get by with a very low cost card or integrated and enyoy vista aero and not much else. In this regards, the integrated x1250 on my mobo did well in aero and could even get some HL2 going pretty easely. With the current generation, a gamer will be happier in the mainstream/high end market. Then hes got to decide: how much I was happy to support AMD/ATI here because of there quite competitive 38XX cards.