So I went to a chiropractor hehe

[wheresmybacon]

snip for great justice

Originally posted by: eits

as for migraines, it's one of the quickest and safest ways to get rid of migraines. 9/10 of migraine headaches are cervicogenic headaches anyways. depending on how the muscles are pulling on the bones in your neck and head based on the nerves coming out of the intervertebral foramina, you can get some pretty serious headaches. also, there's an unnamed piece of duramater that connects to the anterior aspect of the posterior arch of c1 and rectus capitus posterior minor which contributes significantly to migraine headaches. if c1 is out, it will pull on the duramater bridge which will pull on the duramater around your brain which will manifest itself in increased cranial pressure and visceral symptoms (like a migraine).

my head juss esploded

 

[eits]

Originally posted by: BD2003

Originally posted by: TreyRandom

Originally posted by: azoomee
Infection: Um....according to the American Heritage dictionary, an infection is: "Invasion by and multiplication of pathogenic microorganisms in a bodily part or tissue, which may produce subsequent tissue injury and progress to overt disease through a variety of cellular or toxic mechanisms. " SO, if this is the case, how does moving your back around stop the "invasion and multiplication" of these organisms. It amazes me how some people can think this.

I'm no chiropractor, but I would guess that a disruption of the central nervous system (pinched nerves so as to block the nerve impulses) could cause a degradation of your immune system - white blood cells, lymphatic system, etc. - things that fight infection.

All that said, if I had an ear infection, seeing a chiropractor wouldn't be my first thought - I'd go to an ENT doc. But then again, seeing a chiropractor didn't cross my mind when I had intestinal problems either.

If you had a pinched nerve that degraded your immune system, youd have a hell of a lot more to worry about than a simple ear infection. If that was the case, we'd have people dying left and right from infections that could have been prevented if they had their spinal cords straightened. And that just isnt happening. So I seriously doubt the entire premise.

The dilation of blood vessels can be controlled by certain spinal nerves, so there *might* be some truth to that one.

But at the same time, nerves don't fire off by just being touched, so a spinal bone pushing against one abnormally shouldnt screw up your autonomic nervous system. I only claim ignorance to the point that I don't know EVERYTHING about the CNS. But it goes against everything that I do already know. I've yet to hear a single shred of scientific, or even sensical reason for how misaligned cords are going to cause the misfiring of nerves.

the new research is showing that whenever a nerve is irritated, contrary to what many believed (chiropractors, medical doctors, osteopaths, etc.), the function of that nerve INCREASES. so, for example, if your c6 nerve root is irritated, you'd feel some cramping in your forearm, thumb, and forefinger (because that's your c6 dermatome). your muscles are firing a little more than they should, which is what causes the cramping.

that's very different than what happens with pinched nerves, though. nerve root encroachment or pinched nerves end up being subject to a certain level of ischemia. with the reduced blood flow, the nerve doesn't have enough oxygen or glucose to maintain it's proper function. if this happened to a sensorimotor nerve, you'd feel tingling or pins and needles and/or weakness. if this happened to an autonomic nerve (sympathetic or parasympathetic), it would manifest COMPLETELY differently. it would basically just put that nerve in lesion so it wouldn't function as well (for example, it might cause things like irregular heartbeats, ibs, acid reflux, etc.).

i'm not suggesting that every visceral problem is fixable by chiropractic adjustments. i'm saying that, theoretically, some visceral problems can be treated by chiropractic adjustments... much like how treyrandom's ibs stopped after having his lower back adjusted.

 

[BD2003]

first off, cervical adjustments have been shown to speed up the healing process of ear and sinus infections. that's just documented research. it has to do with the nerves that go to the smooth muscles that allow for drainage to occur.

I'd totally like to see this research for myself, because that sounds pretty far fetched. I'd imagine the cases in which that was a factor would be very small.

secondly, according to the seminar i went to in chicago given by the national headache association stated that 9/10 migraines aren't really migraines at all. they're headaches that are caused by musclular involvement from the neck. seeing how the definition of a migraine, as you so aptly stated, is a headache precipitated by the dilation of intracranial blood vessels, a headache that is precipitated by improper biomechanics of the cervical region would not fit the criteria. therefore, they must be considered cervicogenic headaches.

I assume you mean the national headache foundation? The national headache association doesnt seem to exist according to google. Who gave this seminar? A fellow chiro or someone from the "foundation"? According to their quite extensive and detailed "complete headache chart", I see absolutely zero mention of chiropractic treatment being a treatment for any of these headaches, migraine or otherwise.

 

[eits]

Originally posted by: Adul
i dont like the bone cracking method. The chiro I go to uses the actuator method which is much more precise. With that said there are good and bad chiropractors. I haeva co worker who spent a year of doctors visits for back and neck pani, numbness in his toes and fingers. All the doctors did was give him more pills to pop to null the pain.

Well he finally decided to see one, but remained extremely skeptical about it. He went to see my chiropractor as he well answer any questions you ask, explain things in detail, etc etc etc. Well 3 weeks of treatment and he is feeling great. Numbmess is gone, the headaches are gone, back pain a distint memory. So he went from a skeptic to a believer. He no longer pops the pills he was prescribed and is more active once again.

Like anything doing your research and looking for people who have been to good ones are important.

you mean activator? was it a little tool that looked like a fat syringe with a rubber stopper at the end of it?

i haven't learned that yet... i should be learning that within the next two trimesters or so. i'd want to treat babies and elderly patients with an activator.

 

[eits]

Originally posted by: Citrix

Originally posted by: eits

Originally posted by: ScottFern
Hmm, OP what insurance do you have? I am interested to know what type of medical coverage would cover a chiropractor? I have Blue Cross/Blue Shield HMO.

as more and more studies are being done in chiropractic, more and more insurance companies are covering chiropractic because the research suggests that *gasp* it actually helps and more and more people want to get better.

I have united Health Care and it covers chiro and massage therapy.

sweet. what line of work do you do?

 

[eits]

Originally posted by: BD2003
.....

Which tells me exactly what I'm thinking. Some problems they can fix, some they cant. They claim to fix all of them, and rather than go to lengths to validate it, they just turn the blind eye, and think that ignorance is bliss.

I'm all ears to hear otherwise, but to me, it sounds 10% valid, 90% absurd.

according to whom? where'd you hear that? i don't know a single chiropractor who claims that. i'm sure there are some piss poor chiropractors out there who are under the delusion that they can "fix them all," but everyone knows that's absurd.

chiropractors treat what they know they can treat and refer out what they know others can treat. if i end up having a patient with severe edema in their feet, trouble breathing, and a tall, peaked t-wave on their ekg, i'm going to send them straight to a cardiologist asap without hesitation because they have some serious anterior cardiac ischemia, which isn't in my scope of practice. i'm sure most chiropractors in the world would feel the same way. if they don't, then they should rightfully be called quacks.

 

[BD2003]

Originally posted by: eits

Originally posted by: BD2003

Originally posted by: TreyRandom

Originally posted by: azoomee
Infection: Um....according to the American Heritage dictionary, an infection is: "Invasion by and multiplication of pathogenic microorganisms in a bodily part or tissue, which may produce subsequent tissue injury and progress to overt disease through a variety of cellular or toxic mechanisms. " SO, if this is the case, how does moving your back around stop the "invasion and multiplication" of these organisms. It amazes me how some people can think this.

I'm no chiropractor, but I would guess that a disruption of the central nervous system (pinched nerves so as to block the nerve impulses) could cause a degradation of your immune system - white blood cells, lymphatic system, etc. - things that fight infection.

All that said, if I had an ear infection, seeing a chiropractor wouldn't be my first thought - I'd go to an ENT doc. But then again, seeing a chiropractor didn't cross my mind when I had intestinal problems either.

If you had a pinched nerve that degraded your immune system, youd have a hell of a lot more to worry about than a simple ear infection. If that was the case, we'd have people dying left and right from infections that could have been prevented if they had their spinal cords straightened. And that just isnt happening. So I seriously doubt the entire premise.

The dilation of blood vessels can be controlled by certain spinal nerves, so there *might* be some truth to that one.

But at the same time, nerves don't fire off by just being touched, so a spinal bone pushing against one abnormally shouldnt screw up your autonomic nervous system. I only claim ignorance to the point that I don't know EVERYTHING about the CNS. But it goes against everything that I do already know. I've yet to hear a single shred of scientific, or even sensical reason for how misaligned cords are going to cause the misfiring of nerves.

it's fair to doubt that. it's a very doubtable premise. but, whenever you learn the anatomy and physiology and you read studies that support the premise (and you've actually experienced the premise first hand), you start to accept the premise.

check some studies done in pubmed... it's a GREAT source for research studies

I'm well familiar with pubmed...i'd appreciate a link to these studies that support what you're saying.

the new research is showing that whenever a nerve is irritated, contrary to what many believed (chiropractors, medical doctors, osteopaths, etc.), the function of that nerve INCREASES. so, for example, if your c6 nerve root is irritated, you'd feel some cramping in your forearm, thumb, and forefinger (because that's your c6 dermatome). your muscles are firing a little more than they should, which is what causes the cramping.

Irritated is too vague a term to make any logical sense of the rest of the paragraph.

that's very different than what happens with pinched nerves, though. nerve root encroachment or pinched nerves end up being subject to a certain level of ischemia. with the reduced blood flow, the nerve doesn't have enough oxygen or glucose to maintain it's proper function. if this happened to a sensorimotor nerve, you'd feel tingling or pins and needles and/or weakness. if this happened to an autonomic nerve (sympathetic or parasympathetic), it would manifest COMPLETELY differently. it would basically just put that nerve in lesion so it wouldn't function as well (for example, it might cause things like irregular heartbeats, ibs, acid reflux, etc.).

i'm not suggesting that every visceral problem is fixable by chiropractic adjustments. i'm saying that, theoretically, some visceral problems can be treated by chiropractic adjustments... much like how treyrandom's ibs stopped after having his lower back adjusted.

Perfectly agreeable, but the reason your profession has such a bad reputation is not because of propaganda by the medical community, but because it's well deserved. Medicine has no tolerance for practitioners who make claims without substantiating them, thoroughly, empirically, and with little room for interpretation. If you plan on being a chiropractor like the one from one of the other links, who on his own webpage states "If I find that a patient's health condition is not being caused by a pinched nerve, then I refer them to the appropriate health care professional.", then more power to you.

If you're going to claim that because something CAN be caused by spinal misalignment, then you should start cracking backs, you are indeed on the road to quackery. There's this thing called diagnosis, and I'm a big fan of it.

 

[eits]

Originally posted by: hungfarover
snip for great justice

Originally posted by: eits

as for migraines, it's one of the quickest and safest ways to get rid of migraines. 9/10 of migraine headaches are cervicogenic headaches anyways. depending on how the muscles are pulling on the bones in your neck and head based on the nerves coming out of the intervertebral foramina, you can get some pretty serious headaches. also, there's an unnamed piece of duramater that connects to the anterior aspect of the posterior arch of c1 and rectus capitus posterior minor which contributes significantly to migraine headaches. if c1 is out, it will pull on the duramater bridge which will pull on the duramater around your brain which will manifest itself in increased cranial pressure and visceral symptoms (like a migraine).

my head juss esploded

you brought up a great point. many of the people who have chronic migraines who don't want to go to a chiropractor end up going under the knife to have this bridge between the dura-matter and c1 snipped. unfortunately, in many cases, it just regrows with scar tissue and continues to cause migraines.

 

[iliopsoas]

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: eits

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: eits

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: KK
yeah, now tell us how many more times he recommends you coming back to him.

he'll keep 'em coming back for life.

i'm pretty sure the op said 6 times. unless the op's life will expire in 2-3 weeks, i don't think you're right (again).

of course he wouldn't tell him "come see me for life". he'll start out with 6 times because that is probably the insurance limit.

but he will have some spiel about him needed to come back in the future.

yeah, the chiropractor might say something absolutely absurd like "you might want to come in every month or so just to keep your spine in good health so you don't develop problems later on." absolutely ridiculous... you're so right. why would ANYONE want healthy vertebral discs?

while we're at it, let's harp on the dentists, too, with their "come in every couple months for your check up to make sure you don't have cavities" bullcrap. those jerks are always out for your money... and you have to keep going for life?! please... who needs healthy teeth and gums anyways?

you are going to be a chiropractor eventually? get used to the criticism the chiropractic profession has brought onto itself.

comparing it to the dentistry is a lame reach at best.

you ought to hear him compare chiropractors to musculoskeletal radiologists, how chiropractors can make same diagnoses. LOL

now he's comparing chiropractic to dentistry. sheesh

 

[BD2003]

according to whom? where'd you hear that? i don't know a single chiropractor who claims that. i'm sure there are some piss poor chiropractors out there who are under the delusion that they can "fix them all," but everyone knows that's absurd.

Claiming to be effective treatment for ear infections is well past the scope of practice.

chiropractors treat what they know they can treat and refer out what they know others can treat. if i end up having a patient with severe edema in their feet, trouble breathing, and a tall, peaked t-wave on their ekg, i'm going to send them straight to a cardiologist asap without hesitation because they have some serious anterior cardiac ischemia, which isn't in my scope of practice. i'm sure most chiropractors in the world would feel the same way. if they don't, then they should rightfully be called quacks.

No one in the right mind is going to go to a chiropractor when theyre having cardiac problems. The problem arises from the constant need for treatment, with often inconclusive effects. In this thread, for just about every person that says a chiro helped them, theres another person that says they were useless. Although it's minimally invasive work, I prefer not to line their pockets while they figure out by trial and error that it isn't actually a pinched nerve causing the problem.

 

[eits]

Originally posted by: BD2003

first off, cervical adjustments have been shown to speed up the healing process of ear and sinus infections. that's just documented research. it has to do with the nerves that go to the smooth muscles that allow for drainage to occur.

I'd totally like to see this research for myself, because that sounds pretty far fetched. I'd imagine the cases in which that was a factor would be very small.

secondly, according to the seminar i went to in chicago given by the national headache association stated that 9/10 migraines aren't really migraines at all. they're headaches that are caused by musclular involvement from the neck. seeing how the definition of a migraine, as you so aptly stated, is a headache precipitated by the dilation of intracranial blood vessels, a headache that is precipitated by improper biomechanics of the cervical region would not fit the criteria. therefore, they must be considered cervicogenic headaches.

I assume you mean the national headache foundation? The national headache association doesnt seem to exist according to google. Who gave this seminar? A fellow chiro or someone from the "foundation"? According to their quite extensive and detailed "complete headache chart", I see absolutely zero mention of chiropractic treatment being a treatment for any of these headaches, migraine or otherwise.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/quer...=search&term=otitis+media+chiropractic

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?CMD=search&DB=PubMed

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/quer...cmd=search&term=infection+chiropractic

sorry, i meant foundation. yes, they gave the seminar. no, they never said anything about chiropractic adjustments (and i don't remember if i said that they said that chiropractic adjustments would fix a migraine... if i did, i misspoke). they said that 9/10 migraines were cervicogenic. by "they," i mean one of the doctor speakers they had talking about the subject. they had about 3 medical doctors, an osteopath, and orthopedist, a podiatrist, and a chiropractor all speak for about an hour each (thank God they had intermissions and break times) about headaches and different ways of treating them.

 

[sandmanwake]

From the hehe in the title, I was expecting the OP to post that he went to a chiropractor and it turned out the chiropractor was a woman with boobs the size of minga melons. Every time she had to make an adjustment to his back, his head ended up being sandwiched between the breasts. Afterwards, his back still hurt and now his neck hurt also from all the strain that was put on it by the chiropractor's chest, but he left with a smile on his face and is scheduled for twice a month visits for the next three years.

 

[z0mb13]

Hey eits, are u a chiropractor?

Can you please reccomend me more exercises to add flexibility for my golf game?

Thank you very much!

 

[OutHouse]

Originally posted by: eits

Originally posted by: Citrix

Originally posted by: eits

Originally posted by: ScottFern
Hmm, OP what insurance do you have? I am interested to know what type of medical coverage would cover a chiropractor? I have Blue Cross/Blue Shield HMO.

as more and more studies are being done in chiropractic, more and more insurance companies are covering chiropractic because the research suggests that *gasp* it actually helps and more and more people want to get better.

I have united Health Care and it covers chiro and massage therapy.

sweet. what line of work do you do?

Sys admin by day, Certified Massage Therapist by night.

oh, speaking of migraines, when my clients come see me for a headache, 99% of the time when they walk out of my clinic their headache is gone.

 

[eits]

Originally posted by: BD2003

Originally posted by: eits

Originally posted by: BD2003

Originally posted by: TreyRandom

Originally posted by: azoomee
Infection: Um....according to the American Heritage dictionary, an infection is: "Invasion by and multiplication of pathogenic microorganisms in a bodily part or tissue, which may produce subsequent tissue injury and progress to overt disease through a variety of cellular or toxic mechanisms. " SO, if this is the case, how does moving your back around stop the "invasion and multiplication" of these organisms. It amazes me how some people can think this.

I'm no chiropractor, but I would guess that a disruption of the central nervous system (pinched nerves so as to block the nerve impulses) could cause a degradation of your immune system - white blood cells, lymphatic system, etc. - things that fight infection.

All that said, if I had an ear infection, seeing a chiropractor wouldn't be my first thought - I'd go to an ENT doc. But then again, seeing a chiropractor didn't cross my mind when I had intestinal problems either.

If you had a pinched nerve that degraded your immune system, youd have a hell of a lot more to worry about than a simple ear infection. If that was the case, we'd have people dying left and right from infections that could have been prevented if they had their spinal cords straightened. And that just isnt happening. So I seriously doubt the entire premise.

The dilation of blood vessels can be controlled by certain spinal nerves, so there *might* be some truth to that one.

But at the same time, nerves don't fire off by just being touched, so a spinal bone pushing against one abnormally shouldnt screw up your autonomic nervous system. I only claim ignorance to the point that I don't know EVERYTHING about the CNS. But it goes against everything that I do already know. I've yet to hear a single shred of scientific, or even sensical reason for how misaligned cords are going to cause the misfiring of nerves.

it's fair to doubt that. it's a very doubtable premise. but, whenever you learn the anatomy and physiology and you read studies that support the premise (and you've actually experienced the premise first hand), you start to accept the premise.

check some studies done in pubmed... it's a GREAT source for research studies

I'm well familiar with pubmed...i'd appreciate a link to these studies that support what you're saying.

the new research is showing that whenever a nerve is irritated, contrary to what many believed (chiropractors, medical doctors, osteopaths, etc.), the function of that nerve INCREASES. so, for example, if your c6 nerve root is irritated, you'd feel some cramping in your forearm, thumb, and forefinger (because that's your c6 dermatome). your muscles are firing a little more than they should, which is what causes the cramping.

Irritated is too vague a term to make any logical sense of the rest of the paragraph.

that's very different than what happens with pinched nerves, though. nerve root encroachment or pinched nerves end up being subject to a certain level of ischemia. with the reduced blood flow, the nerve doesn't have enough oxygen or glucose to maintain it's proper function. if this happened to a sensorimotor nerve, you'd feel tingling or pins and needles and/or weakness. if this happened to an autonomic nerve (sympathetic or parasympathetic), it would manifest COMPLETELY differently. it would basically just put that nerve in lesion so it wouldn't function as well (for example, it might cause things like irregular heartbeats, ibs, acid reflux, etc.).

i'm not suggesting that every visceral problem is fixable by chiropractic adjustments. i'm saying that, theoretically, some visceral problems can be treated by chiropractic adjustments... much like how treyrandom's ibs stopped after having his lower back adjusted.

Perfectly agreeable, but the reason your profession has such a bad reputation is not because of propaganda by the medical community, but because it's well deserved. Medicine has no tolerance for practitioners who make claims without substantiating them, thoroughly, empirically, and with little room for interpretation. If you plan on being a chiropractor like the one from one of the other links, who on his own webpage states "If I find that a patient's health condition is not being caused by a pinched nerve, then I refer them to the appropriate health care professional.", then more power to you.

If you're going to claim that because something CAN be caused by spinal misalignment, then you should start cracking backs, you are indeed on the road to quackery. There's this thing called diagnosis, and I'm a big fan of it.

?? things CAN be caused by spinal misalignment as it pertains to nerve interferance.

i'm a fan of diagnosis, myself. in order to be a doctor of any kind, you need to know wtf you're talking about and you need to know how to diagnose problems.

no one just says, "oh. you've got diabetes. let me just go ahead and crack your thoracics. pay up." that's ridiculous and it seems like you've fallen in with the rest of the decreasing number of medical doctors who bought into the propaganda that chiropractic is quackery. if you HONESTLY think that's what chiropractors do, you really need to learn more about chiropractors. go job shadow one over the break or something just to learn a little more about it.

 

[eits]

Originally posted by: iliopsoas

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: eits

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: eits

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: KK
yeah, now tell us how many more times he recommends you coming back to him.

he'll keep 'em coming back for life.

i'm pretty sure the op said 6 times. unless the op's life will expire in 2-3 weeks, i don't think you're right (again).

of course he wouldn't tell him "come see me for life". he'll start out with 6 times because that is probably the insurance limit.

but he will have some spiel about him needed to come back in the future.

yeah, the chiropractor might say something absolutely absurd like "you might want to come in every month or so just to keep your spine in good health so you don't develop problems later on." absolutely ridiculous... you're so right. why would ANYONE want healthy vertebral discs?

while we're at it, let's harp on the dentists, too, with their "come in every couple months for your check up to make sure you don't have cavities" bullcrap. those jerks are always out for your money... and you have to keep going for life?! please... who needs healthy teeth and gums anyways?

you are going to be a chiropractor eventually? get used to the criticism the chiropractic profession has brought onto itself.

comparing it to the dentistry is a lame reach at best.

you ought to hear him compare chiropractors to musculoskeletal radiologists, how chiropractors can make same diagnoses. LOL

now he's comparing chiropractic to dentistry. sheesh

haha you're so dense it's hilarious

 

[eits]

Originally posted by: BD2003

according to whom? where'd you hear that? i don't know a single chiropractor who claims that. i'm sure there are some piss poor chiropractors out there who are under the delusion that they can "fix them all," but everyone knows that's absurd.

Claiming to be effective treatment for ear infections is well past the scope of practice.

chiropractors treat what they know they can treat and refer out what they know others can treat. if i end up having a patient with severe edema in their feet, trouble breathing, and a tall, peaked t-wave on their ekg, i'm going to send them straight to a cardiologist asap without hesitation because they have some serious anterior cardiac ischemia, which isn't in my scope of practice. i'm sure most chiropractors in the world would feel the same way. if they don't, then they should rightfully be called quacks.

No one in the right mind is going to go to a chiropractor when theyre having cardiac problems. The problem arises from the constant need for treatment, with often inconclusive effects. In this thread, for just about every person that says a chiro helped them, theres another person that says they were useless. Although it's minimally invasive work, I prefer not to line their pockets while they figure out by trial and error that it isn't actually a pinched nerve causing the problem.

you bring up a good point... if you don't line their pockets, how do you think the field will pay for research in order to find out without having to deal with trail and error?

also, first-time patients do come into chiropractic clinics with all types of problems that chiropractic can't really treat as effectively as conventional medicine. when that happens, the chiropractor refers out. if they don't they end up sued for malpractice.

 

[BD2003]

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/quer...=search&term=otitis+media+chiropractic

Of those 5 articles, the first I cant read, the second is clearly negative towards chiropractors"

CONCLUSIONS: Only very few randomised clinical trials of chiropractic manipulation as a treatment of non-spinal conditions exist. The claim that this approach is effective for such conditions is not based on data from rigorous clinical trials.

The third deals mostly with vaccination, the 4th is a pilot study to see if a large scale study is even possible, and the 5th:

RESULTS: 93% of all episodes improved, 75% in 10 days or fewer and 43% with only one or two treatments. CONCLUSION: Although there were several limitations to this study (mostly because of its retrospection but also, significantly, because very little data was found regarding the natural course of ear infections), this study's data indicate that limitation of medical intervention and the addition of chiropractic care may decrease the symptoms of ear infection in young children.

Which is kind of odd, since a quick google shows that middle ear infections typically last a few days, and often disappear without any antibiotics. There's no evidence that the chiropractor actually had any affect, not even a control group. So it's a pretty useless study.

If this is the kind of evidence that is used to support their claims, I'm still calling quackery.

The rest of the searches are more than I'd like to sift through, but I'm not even slightly convinced at this point.

 

[alkemyst]

I am not going to say all chiropractors are scam artists.

When I need a solution for a sports injury I go to a guy that's a DO with a sports background.

Being a doctor (or a veternarian) is not a very hard goal...being a good one is. It's easy to do the routine 'routines' when the placebo effect works for you.

 

[thecrecarc]

chiropractors are totally true and awesome!

now excuse me, i gotta take this hammer to my car's tire. i think its got a bad spark plug you see....

 

[eits]

Originally posted by: z0mb13
Hey eits, are u a chiropractor?

Can you please reccomend me more exercises to add flexibility for my golf game?

Thank you very much!

i'm not a chiropractor, yet.

something you can do to help your golf game is to work out your obliques, your lats, your iliopsoas (the muscle, not the troll), low back, and triceps.

a good way to strengthen your iliopsoas muscles is to get on one of these... they're supposed to be used for abs and whatnot and, yes, while it does work out your abs, it REALLY works out your iliopsoas muscles (those are your major hip flexors).

a good oblique workout that i think would help your game would be woodchopper exercises. do them at different angles on each side... start at the top... then bring the cable pulley down to chest level and do those... then, put the pulley down at the bottom and then do those. you want to stand just like you would if you were about to tee off (except keep your back straight). make sure you keep your arms straight, too.

if you don't go to a gym or whatever, you can always do the oblique bridge workouts.

 

[eits]

Originally posted by: Citrix

Originally posted by: eits

Originally posted by: Citrix

Originally posted by: eits

Originally posted by: ScottFern
Hmm, OP what insurance do you have? I am interested to know what type of medical coverage would cover a chiropractor? I have Blue Cross/Blue Shield HMO.

as more and more studies are being done in chiropractic, more and more insurance companies are covering chiropractic because the research suggests that *gasp* it actually helps and more and more people want to get better.

I have united Health Care and it covers chiro and massage therapy.

sweet. what line of work do you do?

Sys admin by day, Certified Massage Therapist by night.

oh, speaking of migraines, when my clients come see me for a headache, 99% of the time when they walk out of my clinic their headache is gone.

right on :thumbsup:

 

[BD2003]

you bring up a good point... if you don't line their pockets, how do you think the field will pay for research in order to find out without having to deal with trail and error?

Hmm, I dunno, maybe federally or privately funded research grants? Ah but wait, you have to be legitimate to get those....I find it hard to believe that you are actually defending any sort of "doctor" doing unnecessary procedures to fund research.

also, first-time patients do come into chiropractic clinics with all types of problems that chiropractic can't really treat as effectively as conventional medicine. when that happens, the chiropractor refers out. if they don't they end up sued for malpractice.

In theory, sounds great. In practice, the gist of what I have been hearing from friends, family, and random people is that unless its REALLY obvious he can't help you from the start, it'll take a good few weeks of lining their pockets before they refer you elsewhere. Which is easy to get away with...no one is going into a chiropractors office with a life threatening condition, so there's plenty of time.

no one just says, "oh. you've got diabetes. let me just go ahead and crack your thoracics. pay up." that's ridiculous and it seems like you've fallen in with the rest of the decreasing number of medical doctors who bought into the propaganda that chiropractic is quackery. if you HONESTLY think that's what chiropractors do, you really need to learn more about chiropractors. go job shadow one over the break or something just to learn a little more about it.

Because they couldnt get away with that. I doubt there's many chiropractors with the balls to do that. But when someone comes in with back pain, it could be a myriad of problems. I've no problem with fixing spinal alignments, I do have a problem with diagnosing by doing. An xray can tell you a lot, but not everything. The only reason they can get away with doing so is because it's uninvasive, and unlikely to lead to any further aggravation of symptoms. Medical doctors don't have that convenient luxury.

So its generally harmless, sometimes helpful, but always expensive. Not really a solid deal in my eyes.

 

[eits]

Originally posted by: thecrecarc
chiropractors are totally true and awesome!

now excuse me, i gotta take this hammer to my car's tire. i think its got a bad spark plug you see....

you should read up on some of galen's work... also look up some stuff on applied kinesiology.

funny joke, though

 

[BD2003]

Originally posted by: eits

Originally posted by: thecrecarc
chiropractors are totally true and awesome!

now excuse me, i gotta take this hammer to my car's tire. i think its got a bad spark plug you see....

you should read up on some of galen's work... also look up some stuff on applied kinesiology.

funny joke, though

I really hope you don't mean Galen, as in 2nd century AD Galen.