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So I Watched Auschwitz: The Nazis and 'The Final Solution'

Iron Woode

Iron Woode

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It's a 6 part BBC documentary: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Auschwitz:_The_Nazis_and_'The_Final_Solution'

For those interested it is available on Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLE2AE3E69E12022B5

After watching it, I feel numb and very disturbed. It is hard to put into words how I felt while watching such depraved barbarity being carried out.

Quite possibly the worst thing I saw was Sonderkommando: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sonderkommando. I have no idea how anyone can do that and not go mad and/or commit suicide.

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Iron Woode said:
It's a 6 part BBC documentary: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Auschwitz:_The_Nazis_and_'The_Final_Solution'

After watching it, I feel numb and very disturbed. It is hard to put into words how I felt while watching such depraved barbarity being carried out.

Quite possibly the worst thing I saw was Sonderkommando: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sonderkommando. I have no idea how anyone can do that and not go mad and/or commit suicide.

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If you watch "The World at War" by BBC, they have an entire few hours devoted to the holocaust where they interview some survivors. One of them worked as a Sonderkommando while he was in the camps, and he said that they disposed of the bodies in trenches, would fill them with fuel and burn them. He also said it wasn't uncommon for prisoners assigned to the duty to throw themselves into the burning trench rather than throw another body, after a few days. So plenty preferred burning alive. Probably more horrible than even the gas chambers.
 
Yeah, we have to remember that evil is part of human nature, and we have to stand up against it, no matter where we see it.
 
irishScott said:
If you watch "The World at War" by BBC, they have an entire few hours devoted to the holocaust where they interview some survivors. One of them worked as a Sonderkommando while he was in the camps, and he said that they disposed of the bodies in trenches, would fill them with fuel and burn them. He also said it wasn't uncommon for prisoners assigned to the duty to throw themselves into the burning trench rather than throw another body, after a few days. So plenty preferred burning alive. Probably more horrible than even the gas chambers.
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I know. They showed an interview with a Sonderkommando survivor.

They showed them digging up bodies that were rotting and then burning them to stop the smell and dispose of them.

Just ghastly.
 
Iron Woode said:
I know. They showed an interview with a Sonderkommando survivor.

They showed them digging up bodies that were rotting and then burning them to stop the smell and dispose of them.

Just ghastly.
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Yeah, but that's what you get with dehumanization. It's surprisingly easy to convince a human that another human is a lower life form and no better than an animal. Once you get to that level humans are basically cows or worse, and we commit cow holocausts every day to fill our grocery stores.
 
irishScott said:
Yeah, but that's what you get with dehumanization. It's surprisingly easy to convince a human that another human is a lower life form and no better than an animal. Once you get to that level humans are basically cows or worse, and we commit cow holocausts every day to fill our grocery stores.
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Guess that explains this quote:

So apparently the closing of the National Zoo has forced the animals to conduct their mating rituals on my street.
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10/2013, Benjamin Cole, former senior adviser to Rep. Aaron Schock, R-IL
 
Most of the sonderkommando were either killed, or got themselves killed. I think most of the camps would kill them off every few months. The wiki comment about them not being subject to death is wrong and contradicted a few paragraphs later.
 
Thing is, all of them doing the evil believe they are 100% justified.
Back then, it was OK for Nazi Germany to hate Jews.
Jews were dehumanized both in public and in politics.

In the 1960's we had the same thing going on against blacks.
Dehumanized as a threat, courts looked the other way and refused to provide justice, and all the bigotry and hate totally justified.

And today, the same with Gays.
Republicans and religion attacking Gays and believing they too are 100% justified.
Just as with Nazi Germany, there are many today that would love to see Gays declared illegal, immoral, rounded up, and placed in camps. All justified by religion and politics.
And so called a moral society.

A lot of this is pure hate, much of this is plain bigotry, and a large portion simple politics playing to their base.
Cashing out on their sense of morality and humanity simply for a few votes.

I loved the line in the HBO movie about the life of Liberace where Liberace (Michael Douglas) talks about animals (pets). Saying how loyal they are, that if they only knew how humans really were, the animals would have noting to do with us.

Even the most evil of humanity feels totally and completely justified in the evil they do.
Most often justified and defended by their religious interpretations.
Shit... They are simply doing God's work.
Even Hitler and Nazi Germany believed that.
 
biostud said:
Yeah, we have to remember that evil is part of human nature, and we have to stand up against it, no matter where we see it.
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The truth is, we have NOT done that.

After WW2, there has been MANY genocides and the world (including US) keeps watch it happen and does NOTHING about it.

Darfur.....Rwanda.......Iraq.......amongst MANY others.

US only gets involved if there are resources/profits to be made for corps or to support our Military Ind Complex.
 
It is one of the great ethical dilemmas of my life. How do you treat mass murderers without becoming a mass murderer?
How could the Allies effectively punish Nazi Germany without setting up our own death camps?
 
Vdubchaos said:
US only gets involved if there are resources/profits to be made for corps or to support our Military Ind Complex.
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Flawed logic. I don't think we are pulling oil from Iraq, in North Dakota yes. Was Bosina an oil rich country?

Fun fact: During Operation Iraqi Freedom we were fueled by Kuwaiti oil at a cheap price in solidarity in helping their ass from being invaded during Desert Storm.
 
I think people consistently overestimate what it would take to get 'ordinary' people to commit the most barbaric acts. People are a little bit of hunger away from savagery, and it really doesn't take that much to convince people to do really awful things. Even normal otherwise good people.

OP, I haven't seen all 6 parts of that series, but what I did see was very well done.
 
sportage said:
Thing is, all of them doing the evil believe they are 100% justified.
Back then, it was OK for Nazi Germany to hate Jews.
Jews were dehumanized both in public and in politics.

In the 1960's we had the same thing going on against blacks.
Dehumanized as a threat, courts looked the other way and refused to provide justice, and all the bigotry and hate totally justified.

And today, the same with Gays.
Republicans and religion attacking Gays and believing they too are 100% justified.
Just as with Nazi Germany, there are many today that would love to see Gays declared illegal, immoral, rounded up, and placed in camps. All justified by religion and politics.
And so called a moral society.

A lot of this is pure hate, much of this is plain bigotry, and a large portion simple politics playing to their base.
Cashing out on their sense of morality and humanity simply for a few votes.

I loved the line in the HBO movie about the life of Liberace where Liberace (Michael Douglas) talks about animals (pets). Saying how loyal they are, that if they only knew how humans really were, the animals would have noting to do with us.

Even the most evil of humanity feels totally and completely justified in the evil they do.
Most often justified and defended by their religious interpretations.
Shit... They are simply doing God's work.
Even Hitler and Nazi Germany believed that.
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We are all potential Nazi enforcers. The huge bulk of humanity are followers and can easily be compelled into doing any number of horrific things when threatened in the correct way. History proves this as so. Nazis killed jews, today north korea has concentration camps, today people are burned and beheaded, etc. Look at how many Americans wanted to glass the middle east after 911. It's easy to kill when you're not the one being killed, very easy to downgrade other humans into a subhuman status so that your tenuous and weak morality can allow you to kill them.
I think people consistently overestimate what it would take to get 'ordinary' people to commit the most barbaric acts. People are a little bit of hunger away from savagery, and it really doesn't take that much to convince people to do really awful things. Even normal otherwise good people.

OP, I haven't seen all 6 parts of that series, but what I did see was very well done.
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It's super duper easy. All the genocides in history prove it.
 
Iron Woode said:
It's a 6 part BBC documentary: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Auschwitz:_The_Nazis_and_'The_Final_Solution'

After watching it, I feel numb and very disturbed. It is hard to put into words how I felt while watching such depraved barbarity being carried out.

Quite possibly the worst thing I saw was Sonderkommando: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sonderkommando. I have no idea how anyone can do that and not go mad and/or commit suicide.

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To their horror, sometimes the Sonderkommando inductees would discover members of their own family amid the bodies.[4] They had no way to refuse or resign other than by committing suicide.
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Well damn. 🙁
 
The Nazi extermination regime was pretty damn horrific both in intent/implementation and it's overall efficiency. As bad as it was I think if Germany would have been allowed to actually implement Generalplan Ost over the long term it would have paled in comparison. They actually planned to starve the majority of ALL people east of Germany. The entire Polish nation was basically going to be exterminated.
 
It's only the worst thing ever because it was covered in such detail as you had thousands of people from modern western nations able to actually see and record the events. In human history its more of in the top 5 position for discussion of the worst.
 
PokerGuy said:
I think people consistently overestimate what it would take to get 'ordinary' people to commit the most barbaric acts. People are a little bit of hunger away from savagery, and it really doesn't take that much to convince people to do really awful things. Even normal otherwise good people.

OP, I haven't seen all 6 parts of that series, but what I did see was very well done.
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This theory is exacerbated by the fact that the most humans today have rarely suffered in a way that has helped them learn to cope with scarcity.

We have become glutonous, self-serving versions of former humanity.
 
PokerGuy said:
I think people consistently overestimate what it would take to get 'ordinary' people to commit the most barbaric acts. People are a little bit of hunger away from savagery, and it really doesn't take that much to convince people to do really awful things. Even normal otherwise good people.

OP, I haven't seen all 6 parts of that series, but what I did see was very well done.
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You should watch all 6 parts. It is very well done but unsettling.

a social experiment was done at a school to show how easy it was to create such a society back in the 1960's. A TV movie was made about it called The Wave: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Wave_(1981_film).
 
Also, it is easy to not fully comprehend that they basically exterminated every human being that would live in the state of Georgia as of 2014. Every. Single. Human.
 
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