So I was driving through the ghetto yesterday.....

[Amused]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: nakedfrog

Originally posted by: bluestrobe
Self control and drugs are a myth. Humans have shown that anything that?s pleasurable will be used until the affects wear off or they reach a peak where the pleasure doesn't increase anymore with additional use.

:roll:
What a crock of crap. By your logic, every single person in a bar drinks until they're blind drunk, and no one is capable of enjoying one or two beers. Way to break us down to the simple level of lab rats, we're obviously no different.

Holy crap I can't believe I missed that little gem of utter nonsense.

bluestrobe, you are truly a brainwashed little dipsh!t if you honestly believe no one has any control over their alcohol intake.

:laugh::roll:

What's the use of arguing this topic, you know that the chances of any OC laws being retracted are zero and less than zero.

Meh, this is less about OC laws now than it is about brainwashed little idiots who think one beer is too much to drive.

 

[Brazen]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: bluestrobe

Originally posted by: Amused

1. No one here is advocating that anyone drive while impaired.

2. The MAIN argument has been whether or not the OP was being dangerous driving during, and after drinking ONE BEER. (And I've shown that no adult will get anywhere near the .08 BAC after one beer, or even two for most)

3. The secondary argument was whether or not open container laws have any effect on drunk driving. (Do passing laws to keep people from breaking already existing laws have any effect?)

4. Not once have I seen anyone advocate an end to drunk driving laws. If anything, I've only seen complaints that they were too arbitrary.

1. Alcohol impairs the body as any drug. Those who drink alcohol either 1) like the flavor (not as common) or 2) Are looking for the buzz (Common). The buzz part is 90% the way to intoxication for most if not already there.

2. I have seen it. Seen it more than once, especially on smaller framed people. Prescribed and illegal drugs can speed up the alcohol absorption.

3. This does have an affect. It gives the reason to pull over people that may hit the impaired intoxicated state ten minutes after being seen. A drunk driver has to be seen making roadway mistakes before being stopped. This just shortens the time someone can be dangerous. Also keeps from passengers from drinking in the vehicle and passing alcohol to the driver then taking it back so the driver isn't seen with it. This is more common than people think.

4. Laws aren't picky and the government doesn't make money off of people in jail (A common thought of those in this thread). I have seen numerous statements in this thread of people complaining about how liquor laws are intrusive and useless. Unlike speeding and other moving violations, it?s impossible to get a DWI/OWI UNLESS you drink alcohol. Don't drink or have a DD and your in the clear.


I drink and never worried about the driving part because I don;t drive after I have been drinking.

1. Irrelevant. The issue is the level of intoxication. Look at the BAC chart I posted.

2. Again, 1 beer alone is not going to send anyone over the legal limit... Unless they're an 80 lb child. You can pull all the "what ifs" out of your ass that you want by adding drugs, or medical conditions. But the fcat remains that one beer, ALONE will not impair anyone too much to drive (self induced hysteria aside).

3. Impaired driving is reason enough to pull people over.

4. Over-reaction is the trend of the decade when it comes to alcohol and driving, and you're proof of this. ANYONE who responds negatively to a person having a SINGLE BEER and driving is simply spewing braiwashed nonsense, and not using common sense.

And, again, I have not seen anyone advocate driving while actually impaired in this thread.

My wife is barely over 100lbs and she is definately affected by one beer. I've had at least one or two times had a close call where a child runs out in the street without looking for whatever reason, and if my reaction time was much slower, that child would have been hit. That is what ANY amount of alcohol does, whether it's one ounce or twelve, your reaction time is affected SOME.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: Brazen


My wife is barely over 100lbs and she is definately affected by one beer. I've had at least one or two times had a close call where a child runs out in the street without looking for whatever reason, and if my reaction time was much slower, that child would have been hit. That is what ANY amount of alcohol does, whether it's one ounce or twelve, your reaction time is affected SOME.

As i pointed out earlier in the thread, there is no accounting for self induced hysteria.

At just over 100 lbs, your wife will be at less than half the legal limit with one beer.

I'm sorry, but .04 BAC is not enough to signifigantly lower one's reaction times.

 

[dandruff]

:laugh:

 

[judasmachine]

coors isn't beer

 

[Brazen]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: Brazen


My wife is barely over 100lbs and she is definately affected by one beer. I've had at least one or two times had a close call where a child runs out in the street without looking for whatever reason, and if my reaction time was much slower, that child would have been hit. That is what ANY amount of alcohol does, whether it's one ounce or twelve, your reaction time is affected SOME.

As i pointed out earlier in the thread, there is no accounting for self induced hysteria.

At just over 100 lbs, your wife will be at less than half the legal limit with one beer.

I'm sorry, but .04 BAC is not enough to signifigantly lower one's reaction times.

With her, "significantly" is exactly the word I would use. But as I said, any amount of alcohol will impare your reactions, no matter who you are.

 

[Juice Box]

by ghetto you mean black dont you.....typical

 

[Deeko]

Originally posted by: Brazen

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: Brazen


My wife is barely over 100lbs and she is definately affected by one beer. I've had at least one or two times had a close call where a child runs out in the street without looking for whatever reason, and if my reaction time was much slower, that child would have been hit. That is what ANY amount of alcohol does, whether it's one ounce or twelve, your reaction time is affected SOME.

As i pointed out earlier in the thread, there is no accounting for self induced hysteria.

At just over 100 lbs, your wife will be at less than half the legal limit with one beer.

I'm sorry, but .04 BAC is not enough to signifigantly lower one's reaction times.

With her, "significantly" is exactly the word I would use. But as I said, any amount of alcohol will impare your reactions, no matter who you are.

Well duh, but at .04 the amount of impairment is less than driving tired, or on a cell phone, or talking to someone in the car, or paying attention to the radio, eating/drinking while driving, or ANY of the things people do while driving.

 

[meltdown75]

Originally posted by: Juice Box
by ghetto you mean black dont you.....typical

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OT is so sensitive today. LOL

:laugh:

 

[PHiuR]

reminds me of the discussion i had with deeko or someone else the other night. haha

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btw, i think drinking while driving is bad, even with one can. he shouldnt have done it. but cut the man some slack. he had FRIED CHICKEN, he needed that one "beer" and one beer wont screw up his driving.

 

[Lobstar]

Anyone ever shop at a Food4Less?

 

[Turkish]

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: Amused

If you actually read my posts, you'd know the answer to that.

so it's illegal. you have no recourse.

So the law is no longer debatable?

Here's a hint: Saying something is illegal does not trump an argument about whether or not laws are reasonable, or reactionary.

Try again.

here's a bigger hint, on your character: you are a supporter of drinking and driving.

wow... you are doing a horrible job at arguing your point... how old are you?

 

[Red Dawn]

All my friends know the low rider
The low rider is a little higher
Low rider drives a little slower
Low rider is a real goer
Low rider knows every street yeah!
Low rider is the one to meet yeah!
Low rider don't use no gas now
Low rider don't drive to fast
Take a little trip
Take a little trip
Take a little trip and see
Take a little trip
Take a little trip
Take a little trip with me

 

[PHiuR]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
All my friends know the low rider
The low rider is a little higher
Low rider drives a little slower
Low rider is a real goer
Low rider knows every street yeah!
Low rider is the one to meet yeah!
Low rider don't use no gas now
Low rider don't drive to fast
Take a little trip
Take a little trip
Take a little trip and see
Take a little trip
Take a little trip
Take a little trip with me

nothing like low rider in the ghetto with some fried chicken and a beer.

 

[moshquerade]

Originally posted by: The Boss

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: Amused

If you actually read my posts, you'd know the answer to that.

so it's illegal. you have no recourse.

So the law is no longer debatable?

Here's a hint: Saying something is illegal does not trump an argument about whether or not laws are reasonable, or reactionary.

Try again.

here's a bigger hint, on your character: you are a supporter of drinking and driving.

wow... you are doing a horrible job at arguing your point... how old are you?

you don't know me, and i don't have to explain myself to you. i will not repeat myself, and rehash my position once again like some people have in this thread.
i have an opinion, and i stand by it. you don't like it, tough sh!t.

 

[Turkish]

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: The Boss

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: Amused

If you actually read my posts, you'd know the answer to that.

so it's illegal. you have no recourse.

So the law is no longer debatable?

Here's a hint: Saying something is illegal does not trump an argument about whether or not laws are reasonable, or reactionary.

Try again.

here's a bigger hint, on your character: you are a supporter of drinking and driving.

wow... you are doing a horrible job at arguing your point... how old are you?

you don't know me, and i don't have to explain myself to you. i will not repeat myself, and rehash my position once again like some people have in this thread.
i have an opinion, and i stand by it. you don't like it, tough sh!t.

lol... ok, now i am definetly sure that you're too young to get into a discussion with....

 

[Red Dawn]

To all those who think driving woth an OC should be legal. Is that for all types of beverages and what size should be the limit? A 12 oz Can of beer, a 40 oz of Malt Liquor or how about a fifth of Gin?

 

[mordantmonkey]

how about if you are drunk driving then you are charged. pretty simple. punish the crime not the circumstance. that's like when people get caught sleeping in a bar parking lot and get hauled off for DUI. wouldn't you rather them sleep it off than drive home? wtf?!

i suppose you could argue that if you are swiging off of a 5th of gin you could become drunk while driving. i guess it boils down to people not having any sense. i've driven while drinking before. but it was the only beer i had. so i never posed anymore danger to anyone than if i had been drinking an iced tea.
the only time i have driven drunk (i was younger and stupid), i wasn't drinking at the same time.

 

[SlitheryDee]

Originally posted by: SampSon
Drinking and driving laws have done very little to prevent drunken drivers on the road or save lives. Over the past 20 years or so the number of people per 100,000 killed because of drinking and driving has gone down approximately 2-3 (per 100,000 people). Numbers are falsified on both sides of the argument. It is very difficult to accuratly measure the effectiveness of these laws.

In reality no amount of laws is going to stop people from doing what they want to do. People are regularly in court for their third, fourth, fifth DWI charge. So they get heavily fined, have their license suspended eventually and mabey even sent to prison. Well they are still going to drive, possibly after drinking, regardless of what the courts do to them. You can scream until you're blue in the face, but that isn't going to change a damn thing.

On a side note, driving is a privilege because the govt. has decided to levy and collect taxes on the ability to operate a vehicle. Usually that's how a "right" becomes a "privilege".

A while back everyone was screaming for this kind of statistical info, and yet only a couple people addressed it when it was posted. If this information is accurate, it answers everyone's questions about the effectiveness of OC laws.

 

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: SlitheryDee

Originally posted by: SampSon
Drinking and driving laws have done very little to prevent drunken drivers on the road or save lives. Over the past 20 years or so the number of people per 100,000 killed because of drinking and driving has gone down approximately 2-3 (per 100,000 people). Numbers are falsified on both sides of the argument. It is very difficult to accuratly measure the effectiveness of these laws.

In reality no amount of laws is going to stop people from doing what they want to do. People are regularly in court for their third, fourth, fifth DWI charge. So they get heavily fined, have their license suspended eventually and mabey even sent to prison. Well they are still going to drive, possibly after drinking, regardless of what the courts do to them. You can scream until you're blue in the face, but that isn't going to change a damn thing.

On a side note, driving is a privilege because the govt. has decided to levy and collect taxes on the ability to operate a vehicle. Usually that's how a "right" becomes a "privilege".

A while back everyone was screaming for this kind of statistical info, and yet only a couple people addressed it when it was posted. If this information is accurate, it answers everyone's questions about the effectiveness of OC laws.

it's the truth, from friday through Sunday a lot out at night past 10pm would fail a breath test...fact is the breath test is flawed to begin with....no scientist would accept it. It measures blood in your breath. Ulcers, mouth bleeding (a typical night of drinking and fighting), etc can alter it. Not to mention .08 on one person is doing micro work, while .04 on someone else is falling and running into doors.

I had a few beers one night, during the way moving out from my 'ex' hit my lower lip on a shelf while we were fighting....I was spitting blood.

That night I didn't come home, went out and saw a dualing organs show....had my bill and a time in and time out. I should have been right at about legal...a .08....

I pulled into 'our' driveway' and two cops immediately lighted me up. asked me to say the alphabet (I said it backwards correctly three times, his notes 'I have no idea what he is saying;').

They took me out to do the field side on the middle of the road, while they were on the sides...I hired a lawyer initially until this 'video' showed and he explained most sober people can't do field side sobriety tests without looking drunk.

All I have to say is the whole thing is unconstitutional. MADD/SADD have so much money behind them is why.

Facts are drunk accidents = death are a rarity....it's sad none the less. MADD knows noone will argue with a grieving mother, mostly.

They send me a $2.50 check every couple months to take their pen and fill out a survey. I make it look like drinking on the road is the cool thing to do (I don't)...and write on the check I deposit: "I bought a beer with this and drank it driving" or "wow the 40 in the drivethrough beer stand is the same price!"

if you get caught drinking and fail the breath test, even thought physically you can function within the limits. You will more than likely have to spend a night in jail, there is no bond....they need to 'observe' you for 8 hours, which is really about 12-16. All the while you are gotten up every couple hours for role call. You will also be photographed, fingerprinted, and weighed and measured.

You can't drive home, your car is immediately towed at the highest rates possible. My car went 1/4 mile and I had to pay $300.

Your license is suspended automatically...you can't drive until your court date.

You can apply for a 3 month pass after it. You can drive to work and medically necessary things.

If you appeal, you can't drive until you win....in my area my court date would be a little over a year away. then you have to do court...figure on catching a ride for 1.5 years.

They have to now 'boot' your car in the driveway so you don't drive....not that if you had too you can't borrow a car. There is a fee for the boot, and a fee to remove.

Then you have all these functions you have to go too. You have to pay big bucks and waste a whole night...you can hear about Paralegic Peter playing in the street in the middle of the night with his frisbee when a drunk driver came barrelling down...Para Pete tries to crawl to safety, but that drunk is way to drunk to stop and runs him down.

mother: "whoa, finally someone hit that cash cow, y00h00! steak tonight. whoa he drank too? the lord don't like the bottle, he is a sinner! He killed me boy!:

ok darla here is the frisbee the nice road out there is fun to play on.

it's an institution that should not be in America. It is because it makes them rich.

 

[thomsbrain]

the last time i went into a market in the ghetto, the drug dealers loitering outside harrassed me for being white. let's just say i got my orange soda and got the heck out of dodge.

 

[suse920]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: Aharami

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: lancestorm
I hate to think that it will take one drunk driver with a beer can found in his car for it to change your mind to the opinion of the majority of people who are FOR the open container law. While I hope this doesn't happen to you, I think that would be the only way to open Amused and other's thick skulls.

What makes you think an open container law is going to stop someone already breaking drunk driving laws?

As I said to Red:

The person inclined to drive while impaired is ALREADY breaking a law. What makes you, or anyone within reason think that another law will stop them from breaking the first law?

and what makes you think a person drinking while driving will stop at ONE beer? anyone who is stupid enough to drink while driving has an alcohol dependency. anyoone in their right mind can wait to get home to crank open that can

So anyone who drinks water while driving has a water dependancy? How about soda? Coffee? Tea?

Anyone in their right mind would know that a reasonable person can, and does monitor their alcohol intake and does not drive impaired.

It's not the drinking that's bad, it's how much and the impairment that goes with too much.

lol president bush is that you?

 

[SlitheryDee]

That drinking and driving is dangerous an irresponsible is readily apparent. That our laws governing drinking, driving, and just about everything else are imperfect is also apparent.

Some people can safely drink a beer, or two, or three, and still be able to drive without any impairment. While others may be significantly impaired after only one beer.

The law sets an arbitrary limit to the BAC that is acceptable for someone when driving. This doesn't mean that everyone who reaches this limit is unable to drive. However, everyone has a different body chemistry, this coupled with weight and general health create a very wide range of reactions to BAC levels.

The fact remains that we cannot customize our laws to fit each citizen. There will be no tests which set the legal BAC level for each of us as individuals, taking into account our weight, health, and body chemistry. Although that would be a much more accurate system, implementing it would be highly impractical.

 

[CrazyPerson]

:beer: + _____ = :thumbsdown:

 

[aplefka]

How has this gotten SOOO many replies?