So I was driving through the ghetto yesterday.....

[Monkeytool]

Originally posted by: SSP

Originally posted by: SampSon

Originally posted by: Aharami

Originally posted by: SampSon
You people have thrown any idea of personal responsibility out the door.

What do you have against starving dogs?

Fried chicken and sh!tty beer make a great afternoon.

Preaching to the choir man.

i think its been proven that people, in general, cant be responsible. there wouldnt be so many alcohol related traffic accidents if we lived in your world

I cannot accept that I need some government intervention in my life in order to protect everyone else that can't handle themselves. Natural selection will occur on its own, and YES there will be margins of error that will hurt innocent people. Guess what, you gotta live with the margin of error, no amount of legislation is ever going to change that.

I have personally lost a family member and good friend to an alcohol related accident.
I was 13 when it happened, and it took the life of my 14 year old cousin and two of our friends.

They were out on the weekend drinking and getting high. I'm not sure if they were driving around the whole time, or that they just decided to go joy riding half way through.
Well they decided to take the car down one of the utility access roads that run along the power lines. It was dark, they were probably inebriated fairly well, and they wrapped the car around a pole at around 80 mph. Three of them, including my cousin, died nearly instantly. The one survivor walked/crawled about 2-3 miles on a broken ankle to get help.

Seeing one of your best friends and family members in a casket before they hit 16 was very painful for the family to say the least. Even after that not a single person in my family got up in arms about drinking and driving, or drugs or anything else related with this accident. We all knew that thoes people made a decision and were responsible for their actions. It is very unfortunate that personal responsibility led to their deaths.

No amount of legislation or government intervention would have ever prevented this from happening. No amount of legislation will ever stop things like this from happening in the future. Personal responsibility rests solely on the PERSON and never the government. When you begin to rely on the government for your personal responsiblity and safety you give up everything that comes with being human, and that is mostly free will and the ability to make choices, regardless of how dumb they are.

The last thing I ever need to hear from people is that I don't know how it is to lose someone to drinking and driving. I don't need people telling me how I should run my life.
The accident affected a LOT of people in many families, but there is nothing that will change that or that could have prevented this tragedy.

What are you going to do, ban everything? In the end it all boils down to personal choice, the government has absoltely zero say in that.

Finally, a post worth reading. :thumbsup:

Yeah I didnt read this, way better than my post, that gets 2 :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

Anyway, beer is hardly the problem, it the person drinking it. If you don't know your limit dont even drink, unless you keep it tro 1 or 2 drinks, I really don't see the need to drink more than 1 or 2 unless your 16 or something.

Since when did the government become such a necessary component to our responsibility, morality, or conscience? Laws are there to hold the outliers within the majority's social governence, not to govern the majority.

:beer:

 

[BigJ]

Originally posted by: Monkeytool

Originally posted by: SSP

Originally posted by: SampSon

Originally posted by: Aharami

Originally posted by: SampSon
You people have thrown any idea of personal responsibility out the door.

What do you have against starving dogs?

Fried chicken and sh!tty beer make a great afternoon.

Preaching to the choir man.

i think its been proven that people, in general, cant be responsible. there wouldnt be so many alcohol related traffic accidents if we lived in your world

I cannot accept that I need some government intervention in my life in order to protect everyone else that can't handle themselves. Natural selection will occur on its own, and YES there will be margins of error that will hurt innocent people. Guess what, you gotta live with the margin of error, no amount of legislation is ever going to change that.

I have personally lost a family member and good friend to an alcohol related accident.
I was 13 when it happened, and it took the life of my 14 year old cousin and two of our friends.

They were out on the weekend drinking and getting high. I'm not sure if they were driving around the whole time, or that they just decided to go joy riding half way through.
Well they decided to take the car down one of the utility access roads that run along the power lines. It was dark, they were probably inebriated fairly well, and they wrapped the car around a pole at around 80 mph. Three of them, including my cousin, died nearly instantly. The one survivor walked/crawled about 2-3 miles on a broken ankle to get help.

Seeing one of your best friends and family members in a casket before they hit 16 was very painful for the family to say the least. Even after that not a single person in my family got up in arms about drinking and driving, or drugs or anything else related with this accident. We all knew that thoes people made a decision and were responsible for their actions. It is very unfortunate that personal responsibility led to their deaths.

No amount of legislation or government intervention would have ever prevented this from happening. No amount of legislation will ever stop things like this from happening in the future. Personal responsibility rests solely on the PERSON and never the government. When you begin to rely on the government for your personal responsiblity and safety you give up everything that comes with being human, and that is mostly free will and the ability to make choices, regardless of how dumb they are.

The last thing I ever need to hear from people is that I don't know how it is to lose someone to drinking and driving. I don't need people telling me how I should run my life.
The accident affected a LOT of people in many families, but there is nothing that will change that or that could have prevented this tragedy.

What are you going to do, ban everything? In the end it all boils down to personal choice, the government has absoltely zero say in that.

Finally, a post worth reading. :thumbsup:

Yeah I didnt read this, way better than my post, that gets 2 :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

Anyway, beer is hardly the problem, it the person drinking it. If you don't know your limit dont even drink, unless you keep it tro 1 or 2 drinks, I really don't see the need to drink more than 1 or 2 unless your 16 or something.

Since when did the government become such a necessary component to our responsibility, morality, or conscience? Laws are there to hold the outliers within the majority's social governence, not to govern the majority.

:beer:

Pretty much since people wanted to stop taking personal responsibility for themselves.

 

[spidey07]

Originally posted by: exilera

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: lancestorm
. Who's the one lacking common sense and reason even on this topic? Proves your common sense and reason might be lacking in other areas (including the d&d part of this thread).

Um, no. I'm not the one claiming a single beer impairs the average person too much to drive safely. That would be you.

And with the exception of the open container law, the BAC limit law, as ridiculously low as it is, agrees with ME, not you. A single beer will not take the average person anywhere near .08.

Drinking alcohol WHILE driving will get you arrested, no matter what your blood alcohol level is. So you're wrong, the law does not agree with you.

I'm 6' and 190 pounds; pretty dense with lots of muscle, and after even a single beer I can feel it, since I don't usually drink. I have a very low tolerance. By your logic it shouldn't matter if I drink a beer and drive, but you'd be dead wrong.

dude, depends on the state. You can't just say "its illegal" because in many places you can go to the drive thru and order a beer.

 

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: exilera

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: lancestorm
. Who's the one lacking common sense and reason even on this topic? Proves your common sense and reason might be lacking in other areas (including the d&d part of this thread).

Um, no. I'm not the one claiming a single beer impairs the average person too much to drive safely. That would be you.

And with the exception of the open container law, the BAC limit law, as ridiculously low as it is, agrees with ME, not you. A single beer will not take the average person anywhere near .08.

Drinking alcohol WHILE driving will get you arrested, no matter what your blood alcohol level is. So you're wrong, the law does not agree with you.

I'm 6' and 190 pounds; pretty dense with lots of muscle, and after even a single beer I can feel it, since I don't usually drink. I have a very low tolerance. By your logic it shouldn't matter if I drink a beer and drive, but you'd be dead wrong.

dude, depends on the state. You can't just say "its illegal" because in many places you can go to the drive thru and order a beer.

This is why the BAL laws are bogus. They make a lot of money with these laws though.

At .08 I can fully function. I drink regularly. You can't measure my 'impairedness'.

most people out and about the weekend from 10pm -> will fail breath tests but they aren't lining up carnage either.

 

[maziwanka]

the drinking and driving bashers are idiots. the dui and dwi laws need to be reworked

 

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: maziwanka
the drinking and driving bashers are idiots. the dui and dwi laws need to be reworked

stricter or more lenient?

you are never really clear when you make statements like this BTW.

 

[WT]

The OP forget to mention the Vanilla Ice playing loud n proud from the stock car stereo, with the bass cranked up to emphasize the anemic quality of stock car stereos and speakers.

Ice, Ice Babyyy .......

Haha, now I have THAT song stuck in yo' noggin !!

 

[Brazen]

Originally posted by: Monkeytool

Originally posted by: SSP

Originally posted by: SampSon

Originally posted by: Aharami

Originally posted by: SampSon
You people have thrown any idea of personal responsibility out the door.

What do you have against starving dogs?

Fried chicken and sh!tty beer make a great afternoon.

Preaching to the choir man.

i think its been proven that people, in general, cant be responsible. there wouldnt be so many alcohol related traffic accidents if we lived in your world

I cannot accept that I need some government intervention in my life in order to protect everyone else that can't handle themselves. Natural selection will occur on its own, and YES there will be margins of error that will hurt innocent people. Guess what, you gotta live with the margin of error, no amount of legislation is ever going to change that.

I have personally lost a family member and good friend to an alcohol related accident.
I was 13 when it happened, and it took the life of my 14 year old cousin and two of our friends.

They were out on the weekend drinking and getting high. I'm not sure if they were driving around the whole time, or that they just decided to go joy riding half way through.
Well they decided to take the car down one of the utility access roads that run along the power lines. It was dark, they were probably inebriated fairly well, and they wrapped the car around a pole at around 80 mph. Three of them, including my cousin, died nearly instantly. The one survivor walked/crawled about 2-3 miles on a broken ankle to get help.

Seeing one of your best friends and family members in a casket before they hit 16 was very painful for the family to say the least. Even after that not a single person in my family got up in arms about drinking and driving, or drugs or anything else related with this accident. We all knew that thoes people made a decision and were responsible for their actions. It is very unfortunate that personal responsibility led to their deaths.

No amount of legislation or government intervention would have ever prevented this from happening. No amount of legislation will ever stop things like this from happening in the future. Personal responsibility rests solely on the PERSON and never the government. When you begin to rely on the government for your personal responsiblity and safety you give up everything that comes with being human, and that is mostly free will and the ability to make choices, regardless of how dumb they are.

The last thing I ever need to hear from people is that I don't know how it is to lose someone to drinking and driving. I don't need people telling me how I should run my life.
The accident affected a LOT of people in many families, but there is nothing that will change that or that could have prevented this tragedy.

What are you going to do, ban everything? In the end it all boils down to personal choice, the government has absoltely zero say in that.

Finally, a post worth reading. :thumbsup:

Yeah I didnt read this, way better than my post, that gets 2 :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

Anyway, beer is hardly the problem, it the person drinking it. If you don't know your limit dont even drink, unless you keep it tro 1 or 2 drinks, I really don't see the need to drink more than 1 or 2 unless your 16 or something.

Since when did the government become such a necessary component to our responsibility, morality, or conscience? Laws are there to hold the outliers within the majority's social governence, not to govern the majority.

:beer:

Dennis Rader *allegedly* killed like 10 people. "Legislation or government intervention" could not stop this, so apparently we should just do away with murder laws. Those murderers just need to take more responsibility for themselves.

 

[tooltime]

mmm...don't get any better...in your own ride, eating fried food and drinking a brew

 

[RU482]

Anyone else road trip the gravel roads?

 

[Monkeytool]

Originally posted by: Brazen

Originally posted by: Monkeytool

Originally posted by: SSP

Originally posted by: SampSon

Originally posted by: Aharami

Originally posted by: SampSon
You people have thrown any idea of personal responsibility out the door.

What do you have against starving dogs?

Fried chicken and sh!tty beer make a great afternoon.

Preaching to the choir man.

i think its been proven that people, in general, cant be responsible. there wouldnt be so many alcohol related traffic accidents if we lived in your world

I cannot accept that I need some government intervention in my life in order to protect everyone else that can't handle themselves. Natural selection will occur on its own, and YES there will be margins of error that will hurt innocent people. Guess what, you gotta live with the margin of error, no amount of legislation is ever going to change that.

I have personally lost a family member and good friend to an alcohol related accident.
I was 13 when it happened, and it took the life of my 14 year old cousin and two of our friends.

They were out on the weekend drinking and getting high. I'm not sure if they were driving around the whole time, or that they just decided to go joy riding half way through.
Well they decided to take the car down one of the utility access roads that run along the power lines. It was dark, they were probably inebriated fairly well, and they wrapped the car around a pole at around 80 mph. Three of them, including my cousin, died nearly instantly. The one survivor walked/crawled about 2-3 miles on a broken ankle to get help.

Seeing one of your best friends and family members in a casket before they hit 16 was very painful for the family to say the least. Even after that not a single person in my family got up in arms about drinking and driving, or drugs or anything else related with this accident. We all knew that thoes people made a decision and were responsible for their actions. It is very unfortunate that personal responsibility led to their deaths.

No amount of legislation or government intervention would have ever prevented this from happening. No amount of legislation will ever stop things like this from happening in the future. Personal responsibility rests solely on the PERSON and never the government. When you begin to rely on the government for your personal responsiblity and safety you give up everything that comes with being human, and that is mostly free will and the ability to make choices, regardless of how dumb they are.

The last thing I ever need to hear from people is that I don't know how it is to lose someone to drinking and driving. I don't need people telling me how I should run my life.
The accident affected a LOT of people in many families, but there is nothing that will change that or that could have prevented this tragedy.

What are you going to do, ban everything? In the end it all boils down to personal choice, the government has absoltely zero say in that.

Finally, a post worth reading. :thumbsup:

Yeah I didnt read this, way better than my post, that gets 2 :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

Anyway, beer is hardly the problem, it the person drinking it. If you don't know your limit dont even drink, unless you keep it tro 1 or 2 drinks, I really don't see the need to drink more than 1 or 2 unless your 16 or something.

Since when did the government become such a necessary component to our responsibility, morality, or conscience? Laws are there to hold the outliers within the majority's social governence, not to govern the majority.

:beer:

Dennis Rader *allegedly* killed like 10 people. "Legislation or government intervention" could not stop this, so apparently we should just do away with murder laws. Those murderers just need to take more responsibility for themselves.

Read the entire post please

 

[charles555]

Originally posted by: moshquerade
duuuuude, drinking&driving, your life sucks ass :thumbsdown:

sorry, cannot condone

 

[bluestrobe]

I always did like the type, "I operate better when I'm drunk". This has been debunked time and time again. .08 BAC laws is one of the best things out there. For the average person it takes a few drinks to get to this level. Those who tout that alcohol laws are too intrusive have never been the victim of someone who was "enjoying a brew while coming home from a party". Being in the field I am in, I see the results of too much alcohol and lack of self control almost on a daily basis, so lack of experience is not my problem. Laws are there because of 1) The roadways you drive on are owned by the government and your license gives you the permission to use them and 2) Self control and drugs are a myth. Humans have shown that anything that?s pleasurable will be used until the affects wear off or they reach a peak where the pleasure doesn't increase anymore with additional use.

I've seen people with less than .08 BAC that show numerous problems and never seen someone over that limit that weren't showing medium signs of intoxication. Go witness the cleanup of a DWI/OWI Accident and see the results of a "few brews on the way home" or go to an AA meeting or even a MADD meeting and see for yourself how harmless alcohol is. I love those who never seen the negative side trying to preach on how harmless drinking and driving is.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: bluestrobe
I always did like the type, "I operate better when I'm drunk". This has been debunked time and time again. .08 BAC laws is one of the best things out there. For the average person it takes a few drinks to get to this level. Those who tout that alcohol laws are too intrusive have never been the victim of someone who was "enjoying a brew while coming home from a party". Being in the field I am in, I see the results of too much alcohol and lack of self control almost on a daily basis, so lack of experience is not my problem. Laws are there because of 1) The roadways you drive on are owned by the government and your license gives you the permission to use them and 2) Self control and drugs are a myth. Humans have shown that anything that?s pleasurable will be used until the affects wear off or they reach a peak where the pleasure doesn't increase anymore with additional use.

I've seen people with less than .08 BAC that show numerous problems and never seen someone over that limit that weren't showing medium signs of intoxication. Go witness the cleanup of a DWI/OWI Accident and see the results of a "few brews on the way home" or go to an AA meeting or even a MADD meeting and see for yourself how harmless alcohol is. I love those who never seen the negative side trying to preach on how harmless drinking and driving is.

1. No one here is advocating that anyone drive while impaired.

2. The MAIN argument has been whether or not the OP was being dangerous driving during, and after drinking ONE BEER. (And I've shown that no adult will get anywhere near the .08 BAC after one beer, or even two for most)

3. The secondary argument was whether or not open container laws have any effect on drunk driving. (Do passing laws to keep people from breaking already existing laws have any effect?)

4. Not once have I seen anyone advocate an end to drunk driving laws. If anything, I've only seen complaints that they were too arbitrary.

 

[meltdown75]

Originally posted by: isasir
LOL at those arguing in this thread, while Scarpozzi sits back, drinks his beer and enjoys his life.

amen to that. uh-oh, might have just started a religion argument... :roll:

seriously, it's so obvious who is either underage or just a fvcking pvssy.

 

[Brazen]

Originally posted by: Monkeytool

Originally posted by: Brazen

Originally posted by: Monkeytool

Originally posted by: SSP

Originally posted by: SampSon

Originally posted by: Aharami

Originally posted by: SampSon
You people have thrown any idea of personal responsibility out the door.

What do you have against starving dogs?

Fried chicken and sh!tty beer make a great afternoon.

Preaching to the choir man.

i think its been proven that people, in general, cant be responsible. there wouldnt be so many alcohol related traffic accidents if we lived in your world

I cannot accept that I need some government intervention in my life in order to protect everyone else that can't handle themselves. Natural selection will occur on its own, and YES there will be margins of error that will hurt innocent people. Guess what, you gotta live with the margin of error, no amount of legislation is ever going to change that.

I have personally lost a family member and good friend to an alcohol related accident.
I was 13 when it happened, and it took the life of my 14 year old cousin and two of our friends.

They were out on the weekend drinking and getting high. I'm not sure if they were driving around the whole time, or that they just decided to go joy riding half way through.
Well they decided to take the car down one of the utility access roads that run along the power lines. It was dark, they were probably inebriated fairly well, and they wrapped the car around a pole at around 80 mph. Three of them, including my cousin, died nearly instantly. The one survivor walked/crawled about 2-3 miles on a broken ankle to get help.

Seeing one of your best friends and family members in a casket before they hit 16 was very painful for the family to say the least. Even after that not a single person in my family got up in arms about drinking and driving, or drugs or anything else related with this accident. We all knew that thoes people made a decision and were responsible for their actions. It is very unfortunate that personal responsibility led to their deaths.

No amount of legislation or government intervention would have ever prevented this from happening. No amount of legislation will ever stop things like this from happening in the future. Personal responsibility rests solely on the PERSON and never the government. When you begin to rely on the government for your personal responsiblity and safety you give up everything that comes with being human, and that is mostly free will and the ability to make choices, regardless of how dumb they are.

The last thing I ever need to hear from people is that I don't know how it is to lose someone to drinking and driving. I don't need people telling me how I should run my life.
The accident affected a LOT of people in many families, but there is nothing that will change that or that could have prevented this tragedy.

What are you going to do, ban everything? In the end it all boils down to personal choice, the government has absoltely zero say in that.

Finally, a post worth reading. :thumbsup:

Yeah I didnt read this, way better than my post, that gets 2 :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

Anyway, beer is hardly the problem, it the person drinking it. If you don't know your limit dont even drink, unless you keep it tro 1 or 2 drinks, I really don't see the need to drink more than 1 or 2 unless your 16 or something.

Since when did the government become such a necessary component to our responsibility, morality, or conscience? Laws are there to hold the outliers within the majority's social governence, not to govern the majority.

:beer:

Dennis Rader *allegedly* killed like 10 people. "Legislation or government intervention" could not stop this, so apparently we should just do away with murder laws. Those murderers just need to take more responsibility for themselves.

Read the entire post please

I did.

 

[bluestrobe]

Originally posted by: Amused

1. No one here is advocating that anyone drive while impaired.

2. The MAIN argument has been whether or not the OP was being dangerous driving during, and after drinking ONE BEER. (And I've shown that no adult will get anywhere near the .08 BAC after one beer, or even two for most)

3. The secondary argument was whether or not open container laws have any effect on drunk driving. (Do passing laws to keep people from breaking already existing laws have any effect?)

4. Not once have I seen anyone advocate an end to drunk driving laws. If anything, I've only seen complaints that they were too arbitrary.

1. Alcohol impairs the body as any drug. Those who drink alcohol either 1) like the flavor (not as common) or 2) Are looking for the buzz (Common). The buzz part is 90% the way to intoxication for most if not already there.

2. I have seen it. Seen it more than once, especially on smaller framed people. Prescribed and illegal drugs can speed up the alcohol absorption.

3. This does have an affect. It gives the reason to pull over people that may hit the impaired intoxicated state ten minutes after being seen. A drunk driver has to be seen making roadway mistakes before being stopped. This just shortens the time someone can be dangerous. Also keeps from passengers from drinking in the vehicle and passing alcohol to the driver then taking it back so the driver isn't seen with it. This is more common than people think.

4. Laws aren't picky and the government doesn't make money off of people in jail (A common thought of those in this thread). I have seen numerous statements in this thread of people complaining about how liquor laws are intrusive and useless. Unlike speeding and other moving violations, it?s impossible to get a DWI/OWI UNLESS you drink alcohol. Don't drink or have a DD and your in the clear.


I drink and never worried about the driving part because I don;t drive after I have been drinking.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: bluestrobe

Originally posted by: Amused

1. No one here is advocating that anyone drive while impaired.

2. The MAIN argument has been whether or not the OP was being dangerous driving during, and after drinking ONE BEER. (And I've shown that no adult will get anywhere near the .08 BAC after one beer, or even two for most)

3. The secondary argument was whether or not open container laws have any effect on drunk driving. (Do passing laws to keep people from breaking already existing laws have any effect?)

4. Not once have I seen anyone advocate an end to drunk driving laws. If anything, I've only seen complaints that they were too arbitrary.

1. Alcohol impairs the body as any drug. Those who drink alcohol either 1) like the flavor (not as common) or 2) Are looking for the buzz (Common). The buzz part is 90% the way to intoxication for most if not already there.

2. I have seen it. Seen it more than once, especially on smaller framed people. Prescribed and illegal drugs can speed up the alcohol absorption.

3. This does have an affect. It gives the reason to pull over people that may hit the impaired intoxicated state ten minutes after being seen. A drunk driver has to be seen making roadway mistakes before being stopped. This just shortens the time someone can be dangerous. Also keeps from passengers from drinking in the vehicle and passing alcohol to the driver then taking it back so the driver isn't seen with it. This is more common than people think.

4. Laws aren't picky and the government doesn't make money off of people in jail (A common thought of those in this thread). I have seen numerous statements in this thread of people complaining about how liquor laws are intrusive and useless. Unlike speeding and other moving violations, it?s impossible to get a DWI/OWI UNLESS you drink alcohol. Don't drink or have a DD and your in the clear.


I drink and never worried about the driving part because I don;t drive after I have been drinking.

1. Irrelevant. The issue is the level of intoxication. Look at the BAC chart I posted.

2. Again, 1 beer alone is not going to send anyone over the legal limit... Unless they're an 80 lb child. You can pull all the "what ifs" out of your ass that you want by adding drugs, or medical conditions. But the fcat remains that one beer, ALONE will not impair anyone too much to drive (self induced hysteria aside).

3. Impaired driving is reason enough to pull people over.

4. Over-reaction is the trend of the decade when it comes to alcohol and driving, and you're proof of this. ANYONE who responds negatively to a person having a SINGLE BEER and driving is simply spewing braiwashed nonsense, and not using common sense.

And, again, I have not seen anyone advocate driving while actually impaired in this thread.

 

[nakedfrog]

Originally posted by: bluestrobe
Self control and drugs are a myth. Humans have shown that anything that?s pleasurable will be used until the affects wear off or they reach a peak where the pleasure doesn't increase anymore with additional use.

:roll:
What a crock of crap. By your logic, every single person in a bar drinks until they're blind drunk, and no one is capable of enjoying one or two beers. Way to break us down to the simple level of lab rats, we're obviously no different.

Originally posted by: bluestrobe
3. This does have an affect. It gives the reason to pull over people that may hit the impaired intoxicated state ten minutes after being seen. A drunk driver has to be seen making roadway mistakes before being stopped. This just shortens the time someone can be dangerous. Also keeps from passengers from drinking in the vehicle and passing alcohol to the driver then taking it back so the driver isn't seen with it. This is more common than people think.

We don't need open container laws for cops to be able to pull someone over that they see drinking a beer while driving. Police only need probable cause to pull you over; if they see you drinking while driving, that would seem to be adequate probable cause to pull you over under suspicion of DUI. If you pass the road sobriety test and your BAC is okay, they let you on your merry way, without OC laws, as it should be. You just wouldn't do it if you didn't want the hassle of possibly being pulled over and going through that. As it is now, if someone really wants to drink while driving, there's nothing stopping them from filling a water bottle with vodka or a fast food cup with Jack and Coke. OC laws only give them something additional to bust you for.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: nakedfrog

Originally posted by: bluestrobe
Self control and drugs are a myth. Humans have shown that anything that?s pleasurable will be used until the affects wear off or they reach a peak where the pleasure doesn't increase anymore with additional use.

:roll:
What a crock of crap. By your logic, every single person in a bar drinks until they're blind drunk, and no one is capable of enjoying one or two beers. Way to break us down to the simple level of lab rats, we're obviously no different.

Holy crap I can't believe I missed that little gem of utter nonsense.

bluestrobe, you are truly a brainwashed little dipsh!t if you honestly believe no one has any control over their alcohol intake.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: nakedfrog

Originally posted by: bluestrobe
Self control and drugs are a myth. Humans have shown that anything that?s pleasurable will be used until the affects wear off or they reach a peak where the pleasure doesn't increase anymore with additional use.

:roll:
What a crock of crap. By your logic, every single person in a bar drinks until they're blind drunk, and no one is capable of enjoying one or two beers. Way to break us down to the simple level of lab rats, we're obviously no different.

Holy crap I can't believe I missed that little gem of utter nonsense.

bluestrobe, you are truly a brainwashed little dipsh!t if you honestly believe no one has any control over their alcohol intake.

:laugh::roll:

What's the use of arguing this topic, you know that the chances of any OC laws being retracted are zero and less than zero.

 

[moshquerade]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: nakedfrog

Originally posted by: bluestrobe
Self control and drugs are a myth. Humans have shown that anything that?s pleasurable will be used until the affects wear off or they reach a peak where the pleasure doesn't increase anymore with additional use.

:roll:
What a crock of crap. By your logic, every single person in a bar drinks until they're blind drunk, and no one is capable of enjoying one or two beers. Way to break us down to the simple level of lab rats, we're obviously no different.

Holy crap I can't believe I missed that little gem of utter nonsense.

bluestrobe, you are truly a brainwashed little dipsh!t if you honestly believe no one has any control over their alcohol intake.

:laugh::roll:

What's the use of arguing this topic, you know that the chances of any OC laws being retracted are zero and less than zero.

because some people like to bitch, complain, and repeat things that have already been said over and over again?

yeh.

 

[nakedfrog]

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: nakedfrog

Originally posted by: bluestrobe
Self control and drugs are a myth. Humans have shown that anything that?s pleasurable will be used until the affects wear off or they reach a peak where the pleasure doesn't increase anymore with additional use.

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What a crock of crap. By your logic, every single person in a bar drinks until they're blind drunk, and no one is capable of enjoying one or two beers. Way to break us down to the simple level of lab rats, we're obviously no different.

Holy crap I can't believe I missed that little gem of utter nonsense.

bluestrobe, you are truly a brainwashed little dipsh!t if you honestly believe no one has any control over their alcohol intake.

:laugh::roll:

What's the use of arguing this topic, you know that the chances of any OC laws being retracted are zero and less than zero.

because some people like to bitch, complain, and repeat things that have already been said over and over again?

yeh.

Isn't that how this thread has gotten to 17 pages?

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: nakedfrog
Isn't that how this thread has gotten to 17 pages?

Funny, it's only 1 page for me

 

[moshquerade]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: nakedfrog
Isn't that how this thread has gotten to 17 pages?

Funny, it's only 1 page for me

you mean 7?