So I was driving through the ghetto yesterday.....

[Amused]

Originally posted by: exilera

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: lancestorm
I"m sure that the open container law has saved lives.

Beyond all the insults and bullsh!t, It all boils down to this.

Prove it.

The problem is, you have a religious kind of belief in this. Not one based in fact.

Not to beat the dead horse, but your argument is not based on fact. Your argument is that one beer can't impare anyone significantly enough to stop them from driving, but you're wrong. As I said in a previous response, it effects me, and I'm not a scrawny guy. So to sum it up, your argument is based on opinion, not fact.

Driving after drinking one beer is not illegal. A single beer is not enough to put anyone over 80lbs over the legal limit.

That's a fact.

The hysteria over this is ridiculous. MADD has propgandized this to death, and it's obvious it has worked for some idiots.

Finally, there is NO valid proof that open container laws save lives. It is simply a useless law that attempts to stop people from breaking already existing laws.

 

[batmang]

id rather go home then crack the beer and the chicken, eating in the car is no fun. plus crumbs get all over!@#@$^@

 

[Quasmo]

Originally posted by: moshquerade
duuuuude, drinking&driving, your life sucks ass :thumbsdown:

sorry, cannot condone

QFT

 

[shimsham]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: exilera

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: lancestorm
I"m sure that the open container law has saved lives.

Beyond all the insults and bullsh!t, It all boils down to this.

Prove it.

The problem is, you have a religious kind of belief in this. Not one based in fact.

Not to beat the dead horse, but your argument is not based on fact. Your argument is that one beer can't impare anyone significantly enough to stop them from driving, but you're wrong. As I said in a previous response, it effects me, and I'm not a scrawny guy. So to sum it up, your argument is based on opinion, not fact.

Driving after drinking one beer is not illegal. A single beer is not enough to put anyone over 80lbs over the legal limit.

That's a fact.

The hysteria over this is ridiculous. MADD has propgandized this to death, and it's obvious it has worked for some idiots.

Finally, there is NO valid proof that open container laws save lives. It is simply a useless law that attempts to stop people from breaking already existing laws.

a fact? show your proof.

btw, you can blow 0.0 and still be arrested for dui. all it takes is the cop to think you are impaired.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: shimsham

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: exilera

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: lancestorm
I"m sure that the open container law has saved lives.

Beyond all the insults and bullsh!t, It all boils down to this.

Prove it.

The problem is, you have a religious kind of belief in this. Not one based in fact.

Not to beat the dead horse, but your argument is not based on fact. Your argument is that one beer can't impare anyone significantly enough to stop them from driving, but you're wrong. As I said in a previous response, it effects me, and I'm not a scrawny guy. So to sum it up, your argument is based on opinion, not fact.

Driving after drinking one beer is not illegal. A single beer is not enough to put anyone over 80lbs over the legal limit.

That's a fact.

The hysteria over this is ridiculous. MADD has propgandized this to death, and it's obvious it has worked for some idiots.

Finally, there is NO valid proof that open container laws save lives. It is simply a useless law that attempts to stop people from breaking already existing laws.

a fact? show your proof.

btw, you can blow 0.0 and still be arrested for dui. all it takes is the cop to think you are impaired.

Proof:

http://www.safety-devices.com/bac_chart.htm

One beer is not going to send anyone to jail. Two beers wont send most people to jail. Hell, I don't go over the legal limit until I start my 4th beer.

And yes, you can blow a .00 and still be arrested, but NOT for alcohol. They would suspect another substance. DUI is not exclusive to alcohol impairment.

 

Originally posted by: shimsham

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: exilera

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: lancestorm
I"m sure that the open container law has saved lives.

Beyond all the insults and bullsh!t, It all boils down to this.

Prove it.

The problem is, you have a religious kind of belief in this. Not one based in fact.

Not to beat the dead horse, but your argument is not based on fact. Your argument is that one beer can't impare anyone significantly enough to stop them from driving, but you're wrong. As I said in a previous response, it effects me, and I'm not a scrawny guy. So to sum it up, your argument is based on opinion, not fact.

Driving after drinking one beer is not illegal. A single beer is not enough to put anyone over 80lbs over the legal limit.

That's a fact.

The hysteria over this is ridiculous. MADD has propgandized this to death, and it's obvious it has worked for some idiots.

Finally, there is NO valid proof that open container laws save lives. It is simply a useless law that attempts to stop people from breaking already existing laws.

a fact? show your proof.

btw, you can blow 0.0 and still be arrested for dui. all it takes is the cop to think you are impaired.

I've posted facts in this thread already. I could easily find the links again to back thoes facts up.

 

[BW86]

Drinking and driving = :thumbsdown:

 

[shimsham]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: shimsham

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: exilera

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: lancestorm
I"m sure that the open container law has saved lives.

Beyond all the insults and bullsh!t, It all boils down to this.

Prove it.

The problem is, you have a religious kind of belief in this. Not one based in fact.

Not to beat the dead horse, but your argument is not based on fact. Your argument is that one beer can't impare anyone significantly enough to stop them from driving, but you're wrong. As I said in a previous response, it effects me, and I'm not a scrawny guy. So to sum it up, your argument is based on opinion, not fact.

Driving after drinking one beer is not illegal. A single beer is not enough to put anyone over 80lbs over the legal limit.

That's a fact.

The hysteria over this is ridiculous. MADD has propgandized this to death, and it's obvious it has worked for some idiots.

Finally, there is NO valid proof that open container laws save lives. It is simply a useless law that attempts to stop people from breaking already existing laws.

a fact? show your proof.

btw, you can blow 0.0 and still be arrested for dui. all it takes is the cop to think you are impaired.

Proof:

http://www.safety-devices.com/bac_chart.htm

One beer is not going to send anyone to jail.

And yes, you can blow a .00 and still be arrested, but NOT for alcohol. They would suspect another substance. DUI is not exclusive to alcohol impairment.

you call that proof? thats just a chart based on gender an weight. there are no facts there.

one beer can send you to jail. im 5'8", 180lbs. i can feel a buzz on half a beer. would i blow the legal limit? doubtful. am i impaired? you bet. no way i should be behind the wheel of a car. and ive been drinking for 15yrs. and can hold my alcohol.

 

[shimsham]

Originally posted by: SampSon

Originally posted by: shimsham

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: exilera

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: lancestorm
I"m sure that the open container law has saved lives.

Beyond all the insults and bullsh!t, It all boils down to this.

Prove it.

The problem is, you have a religious kind of belief in this. Not one based in fact.

Not to beat the dead horse, but your argument is not based on fact. Your argument is that one beer can't impare anyone significantly enough to stop them from driving, but you're wrong. As I said in a previous response, it effects me, and I'm not a scrawny guy. So to sum it up, your argument is based on opinion, not fact.

Driving after drinking one beer is not illegal. A single beer is not enough to put anyone over 80lbs over the legal limit.

That's a fact.

The hysteria over this is ridiculous. MADD has propgandized this to death, and it's obvious it has worked for some idiots.

Finally, there is NO valid proof that open container laws save lives. It is simply a useless law that attempts to stop people from breaking already existing laws.

a fact? show your proof.

btw, you can blow 0.0 and still be arrested for dui. all it takes is the cop to think you are impaired.

I've posted facts in this thread already. I could easily find the links again to back thoes facts up.

go for it. id like to see them. ive read the thread, and didnt notice them before.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: shimsham

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: shimsham

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: exilera

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: lancestorm
I"m sure that the open container law has saved lives.

Beyond all the insults and bullsh!t, It all boils down to this.

Prove it.

The problem is, you have a religious kind of belief in this. Not one based in fact.

Not to beat the dead horse, but your argument is not based on fact. Your argument is that one beer can't impare anyone significantly enough to stop them from driving, but you're wrong. As I said in a previous response, it effects me, and I'm not a scrawny guy. So to sum it up, your argument is based on opinion, not fact.

Driving after drinking one beer is not illegal. A single beer is not enough to put anyone over 80lbs over the legal limit.

That's a fact.

The hysteria over this is ridiculous. MADD has propgandized this to death, and it's obvious it has worked for some idiots.

Finally, there is NO valid proof that open container laws save lives. It is simply a useless law that attempts to stop people from breaking already existing laws.

a fact? show your proof.

btw, you can blow 0.0 and still be arrested for dui. all it takes is the cop to think you are impaired.

Proof:

http://www.safety-devices.com/bac_chart.htm

One beer is not going to send anyone to jail.

And yes, you can blow a .00 and still be arrested, but NOT for alcohol. They would suspect another substance. DUI is not exclusive to alcohol impairment.

you call that proof? thats just a chart based on gender an weight. there are no facts there.

one beer can send you to jail. im 5'8", 180lbs. i can feel a buzz on half a beer. would i blow the legal limit? doubtful. am i impaired? you bet. no way i should be behind the wheel of a car. and ive been drinking for 15yrs. and can hold my alcohol.

Well, I guess there's no accounting for self induced hysteria. :roll:

And yes, that IS proof. Scientific proof on BAC levels. WTF did you want?

No cop is going to send you to jail for driving after drinking one beer. You may, out of some weird misplaced guilt, bend over, pull down your pants and beg to be raped, but it's doubtful he'll do it.

 

[Proletariat]

Uh its physically impossible to get drunk off one beer unless you weigh like 90 pounds or you are asian.

Some people just need to lighten up.

 

[Saulbadguy]

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: Saulbadguy

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: Saulbadguy

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: Saulbadguy
This has got to be the stupidest thread in ATOT history.

then why did you bump it?

It looked somewhat interesting. I saw it on the "Today" page, and browsed through the first couple of pages until I realized how retarded it was. Your comment on the first page was probably one of the stupidest.

yeh, your first mistake, you "browsed" so therefore you don't know sh#t about the whole thread, as usual.
any thread becomes more stupid just by having you post in it.

Yeah. This thread really suffered. Do us all a favor and get AIDS, please?

your stupidity is unsurpassed by anyone on this forum
congratulations

Yay. I'm #1.

 

[shimsham]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: shimsham

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: shimsham

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: exilera

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: lancestorm
I"m sure that the open container law has saved lives.

Beyond all the insults and bullsh!t, It all boils down to this.

Prove it.

The problem is, you have a religious kind of belief in this. Not one based in fact.

Not to beat the dead horse, but your argument is not based on fact. Your argument is that one beer can't impare anyone significantly enough to stop them from driving, but you're wrong. As I said in a previous response, it effects me, and I'm not a scrawny guy. So to sum it up, your argument is based on opinion, not fact.

Driving after drinking one beer is not illegal. A single beer is not enough to put anyone over 80lbs over the legal limit.

That's a fact.

The hysteria over this is ridiculous. MADD has propgandized this to death, and it's obvious it has worked for some idiots.

Finally, there is NO valid proof that open container laws save lives. It is simply a useless law that attempts to stop people from breaking already existing laws.

a fact? show your proof.

btw, you can blow 0.0 and still be arrested for dui. all it takes is the cop to think you are impaired.

Proof:

http://www.safety-devices.com/bac_chart.htm

One beer is not going to send anyone to jail.

And yes, you can blow a .00 and still be arrested, but NOT for alcohol. They would suspect another substance. DUI is not exclusive to alcohol impairment.

you call that proof? thats just a chart based on gender an weight. there are no facts there.

one beer can send you to jail. im 5'8", 180lbs. i can feel a buzz on half a beer. would i blow the legal limit? doubtful. am i impaired? you bet. no way i should be behind the wheel of a car. and ive been drinking for 15yrs. and can hold my alcohol.

Well, I guess there's no accounting for self induced hysteria. :roll:

And yes, that IS proof. Scientific proof on BAC levels. WTF did you want?

No cop is going to send you to jail for driving after drinking one beer. You may, out of some weird misplaced guilt, bend over, pull down your pants and beg to be raped, but it's doubtful he'll do it.

youre missing the whole point. youre making all these claims, one beer wont do this, cops wont do that, when its all just your opinion. ask any lawyer, and theyll make that chart useless in court, pro or con, because theyre are so many other factors involved that it cant be conclusive proof like you are trying to present it as. its a guideline, a chart. hardly proof or facts.

how do you know what a cop will do? how does a cop know how much beer youve had in the first place?

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: shimsham

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: shimsham

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: shimsham

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: exilera

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: lancestorm
I"m sure that the open container law has saved lives.

Beyond all the insults and bullsh!t, It all boils down to this.

Prove it.

The problem is, you have a religious kind of belief in this. Not one based in fact.

Not to beat the dead horse, but your argument is not based on fact. Your argument is that one beer can't impare anyone significantly enough to stop them from driving, but you're wrong. As I said in a previous response, it effects me, and I'm not a scrawny guy. So to sum it up, your argument is based on opinion, not fact.

Driving after drinking one beer is not illegal. A single beer is not enough to put anyone over 80lbs over the legal limit.

That's a fact.

The hysteria over this is ridiculous. MADD has propgandized this to death, and it's obvious it has worked for some idiots.

Finally, there is NO valid proof that open container laws save lives. It is simply a useless law that attempts to stop people from breaking already existing laws.

a fact? show your proof.

btw, you can blow 0.0 and still be arrested for dui. all it takes is the cop to think you are impaired.

Proof:

http://www.safety-devices.com/bac_chart.htm

One beer is not going to send anyone to jail.

And yes, you can blow a .00 and still be arrested, but NOT for alcohol. They would suspect another substance. DUI is not exclusive to alcohol impairment.

you call that proof? thats just a chart based on gender an weight. there are no facts there.

one beer can send you to jail. im 5'8", 180lbs. i can feel a buzz on half a beer. would i blow the legal limit? doubtful. am i impaired? you bet. no way i should be behind the wheel of a car. and ive been drinking for 15yrs. and can hold my alcohol.

Well, I guess there's no accounting for self induced hysteria. :roll:

And yes, that IS proof. Scientific proof on BAC levels. WTF did you want?

No cop is going to send you to jail for driving after drinking one beer. You may, out of some weird misplaced guilt, bend over, pull down your pants and beg to be raped, but it's doubtful he'll do it.

youre missing the whole point. youre making all these claims, one beer wont do this, cops wont do that, when its all just your opinion. ask any lawyer, and theyll make that chart useless in court, pro or con, because theyre are so many other factors involved that it cant be conclusive proof like you are trying to present it as. its a guideline, a chart. hardly proof or facts.

how do you know what a cop will do? how does a cop know how much beer youve had in the first place?

The cop knows by your BAC. No cop is going to arrest you if you have below a .08 AND he does not suspect other substances... because he knows it's a waste of his time. He KNOWS any lawyer will get it thrown out of court.

Please present ANY evidence of any significant number of people being arrested AND convicted of DUI alcohol even though they blew under a .08.

I'll be waiting.

The chart is a scientific fact based on averages. Of course there will be slight variances, but NONE large enough to send anyone over 100 LBS to jail for one beer. NONE.

 

[SSP]

Originally posted by: SampSon

Originally posted by: Aharami

Originally posted by: SampSon
You people have thrown any idea of personal responsibility out the door.

What do you have against starving dogs?

Fried chicken and sh!tty beer make a great afternoon.

Preaching to the choir man.

i think its been proven that people, in general, cant be responsible. there wouldnt be so many alcohol related traffic accidents if we lived in your world

I cannot accept that I need some government intervention in my life in order to protect everyone else that can't handle themselves. Natural selection will occur on its own, and YES there will be margins of error that will hurt innocent people. Guess what, you gotta live with the margin of error, no amount of legislation is ever going to change that.

I have personally lost a family member and good friend to an alcohol related accident.
I was 13 when it happened, and it took the life of my 14 year old cousin and two of our friends.

They were out on the weekend drinking and getting high. I'm not sure if they were driving around the whole time, or that they just decided to go joy riding half way through.
Well they decided to take the car down one of the utility access roads that run along the power lines. It was dark, they were probably inebriated fairly well, and they wrapped the car around a pole at around 80 mph. Three of them, including my cousin, died nearly instantly. The one survivor walked/crawled about 2-3 miles on a broken ankle to get help.

Seeing one of your best friends and family members in a casket before they hit 16 was very painful for the family to say the least. Even after that not a single person in my family got up in arms about drinking and driving, or drugs or anything else related with this accident. We all knew that thoes people made a decision and were responsible for their actions. It is very unfortunate that personal responsibility led to their deaths.

No amount of legislation or government intervention would have ever prevented this from happening. No amount of legislation will ever stop things like this from happening in the future. Personal responsibility rests solely on the PERSON and never the government. When you begin to rely on the government for your personal responsiblity and safety you give up everything that comes with being human, and that is mostly free will and the ability to make choices, regardless of how dumb they are.

The last thing I ever need to hear from people is that I don't know how it is to lose someone to drinking and driving. I don't need people telling me how I should run my life.
The accident affected a LOT of people in many families, but there is nothing that will change that or that could have prevented this tragedy.

What are you going to do, ban everything? In the end it all boils down to personal choice, the government has absoltely zero say in that.

Finally, a post worth reading. :thumbsup:

 

[Monkeytool]

Originally posted by: rsd

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: lancestorm

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: Demon-Xanth

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: lancestorm
driving with an open container? drinking and driving? what a winner we have here ladies and gents...

Oh yeah, because one beer makes a person sooooo drunk, right?

:roll:

In the fight against drunk driving, we have lost all reason.

In California atleast, it's enough fines and insurance hikes to make your life suck ass.

I didn't say it wasn't against the law. I mearly pointed out how reactionary, rather than reasonable it is to condemn someone for having A beer in a car.

You lose someone to a drunk driver and then you tell me how YOU feel about ANY alcohol and driving. /thread

I feel for your loss. However, that does not excuse overreactions that cost innocent people their freedoms.

In no way will one beer make an average sized person too drunk to drive. In fact, one beer wont even put the vast majority any where near the laughingly low "legal limit."

Ask yourself what the BAC was of this person who took your loved one. Then ask yourself why you over react and point fingers even at ridiculously low BAC numbers?

Ok, so change the laws to say 1-2 beers is ok for men who weigh 125-140 lbs, 3-4 for 140lb, etc etc..you see where this becomes an issue? Who is to say what is the allowable amount then for every driver?

You cannot justify drinking and driving, period.

Can't justify what? the legallity? Ya it's illegal to have an open container... but just because its a law doesnt make it wrong. Every state has different rules, in Louisiana (at least last time I was there) they have drive up margarita vendors, as long as the purchaser isnt the driver.

Now I thouroughly refuse to drink anything while I drive for the sheer legal reason which I think is stupid, drinking and driving isnt the problem, being drunk and driving is. But 1 beer on the way home while eating cold chicken, driving through the ghetto, that has a serenity all it's own that I think we should all calm down about and meditate on!

:beer:

 

[BigJ]

Originally posted by: Amused

The cop knows by your BAC. No cop is going to arrest you if you have below a .08 AND he does not suspect other substances... because he knows it's a waste of his time. He KNOWS any lawyer will get it thrown out of court.

Please present ANY evidence of any significant number of people being arrested AND convicted of DUI alcohol even though they blew under a .08.

I'll be waiting.

The chart is a scientific fact based on averages. Of course there will be slight variances, but NONE large enough to send anyone over 100 LBS to jail for one beer. NONE.

Sure there's a significant number of people arrested and convicted even though they blew under a .08.

They're just all under 21

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: BigJ

Originally posted by: Amused

The cop knows by your BAC. No cop is going to arrest you if you have below a .08 AND he does not suspect other substances... because he knows it's a waste of his time. He KNOWS any lawyer will get it thrown out of court.

Please present ANY evidence of any significant number of people being arrested AND convicted of DUI alcohol even though they blew under a .08.

I'll be waiting.

The chart is a scientific fact based on averages. Of course there will be slight variances, but NONE large enough to send anyone over 100 LBS to jail for one beer. NONE.

Sure there's a significant number of people arrested and convicted even though they blew under a .08.

They're just all under 21

<^>

 

[ChooChooChooseMe]

It takes to long to scroll down.

 

[Pantoot]

For an earlier posting, up until 2001 in texas it was legal, now it is a misdemeanor with a max $500 fine. I remember 15 years ago my manager (at a food lion coincidentally) would pick up a six pack "for the ride home."

 

[BigJ]

Originally posted by: Pantoot

For an earlier posting, up until 2001 in texas it was legal, now it is a misdemeanor with a max $500 fine. I remember 15 years ago my manager (at a food lion coincidentally) would pick up a six pack "for the ride home."

He said DUI-A (DUI Alcohol). Me being a pain in the ass was valid, you just suck!

EDIT: Boooo! You edited your post.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: Pantoot

For an earlier posting, up until 2001 in texas it was legal, now it is a misdemeanor with a max $500 fine. I remember 15 years ago my manager (at a food lion coincidentally) would pick up a six pack "for the ride home."

Dammit, you edited your post.

 

[Pantoot]

Originally posted by: BigJ

Originally posted by: Pantoot

For an earlier posting, up until 2001 in texas it was legal, now it is a misdemeanor with a max $500 fine. I remember 15 years ago my manager (at a food lion coincidentally) would pick up a six pack "for the ride home."

He said DUI-A (DUI Alcohol). Me being a pain in the ass was valid, you just suck!

Read the link, they merged the two, so there is no such thing (in some places) as DUI-A or DUI-(other).

Besides, I am speedier with my edits than you are with your posting!

 

[MetalMat]

Its Daquiris Monkeytool, not margarita vendors. Proper term is drive-thru Daquiris.

 

[BigJ]

Originally posted by: Pantoot

Originally posted by: BigJ

Originally posted by: Pantoot

For an earlier posting, up until 2001 in texas it was legal, now it is a misdemeanor with a max $500 fine. I remember 15 years ago my manager (at a food lion coincidentally) would pick up a six pack "for the ride home."

He said DUI-A (DUI Alcohol). Me being a pain in the ass was valid, you just suck!

Read the link, they merged the two, so there is no such thing (in some places) as DUI-A or DUI-(other).

Besides, I am speedier with my edits than you are with your posting!

Forum hiccuped, thats the only reason why you beat me.

And what link, I don't see no link!