so i want a raise at work, a big one...

[ultra laser]

If you're currently not making a "livable wage," then how are you living?

 

[xSauronx]

Originally posted by: ultra laser
If you're currently not making a "livable wage," then how are you living?

didnt you read? he wants MOAR MONEY

nobody is happy without more money. 55k or whatever may not be that much in CA, but if he was worth anywhere near 75k hed be getting more, and asking for that kind of raise anywhere will get someone laughed at...especially after working somewhere for "about 6 months"

even by the december review it wont be a year, should anyone expect much more than a cost of living raise after that if they dont get a promotion?

 

[BoomerD]

Originally posted by: her209

Originally posted by: BoomerD
Any formal training/degrees? Perhaps that's the difference between you and your co-worker who makes more $$$ than you.

Don't forget years of experience.

heh-heh! I actually think the years of experience are worth more than the degree, but it seems like most of ATOT believes just the opposite.

 

[zinfamous]

fellate your boss. it's the only way.

 

[MyThirdEye]

You have a low salary because you misspell things like experience.

 

[spidey07]

You'll just have to make your case, present it and explain why you are worth that. Otherwise you're not going to get a bump that big at your current employer, you'll have to look elsewhere.

I will tell you that 55k is very low for anything other than helpdesk and fixing peoples computers. Entry level competent networking people start at 70k in an average cost of living area so that would translate to 110 in california.

 

[RGN]

Originally posted by: Young Grasshopper

Originally posted by: child of wonder
So you're 2.5 years removed from not knowing what AD is, have no degree or certs, and you think you should be making 75k? Even for California that's hilarious.

i have a degree, but no mcse(although i will get one). i know more than alot of mcse's, my co-worker has one and he didnt know shit about terminal services, iis, etc...he took the braindumps to get it. like i said here, ITS WHAT YOU KNOW not what you have on paper. a few guys here have no degree or certs but they make maybe 100k+ because of thier experiance, they are experts at what they do.



ya maybe im kidding myself with the whole 75k, id love 70 but i guess who knows thanks everyone for your replys.

In this area, using your own job description as a guide, you would make $50k. Just because you *want* to make 70K doesn't mean your position commands it. Your best bet is to continue to build your skills and look for another position when appropriate.

 

[duragezic]

Maybe I have a different understanding of systems engineering than you, but I don't see how you can move from a helpdesk job into a systems engineering position that simply.

Uhh, 55k is low, and entry level IT people average 70k and 100+ k in CA? I guess I'm in the wrong field.

 

[Bill Brasky]

I think you should do some interviewing. You can't just tell your company you want moar monies, because that really will get you laughed at. Getting the raise is more likely if you have an argument or reason why they should pay you more. For example, x company is offering y amount, and you want to give them a chance to match it. But you need to interview to find out how much your skills are worth. Good luck.

 

[Joemonkey]

IT jobs require a change in company to get paid what you are worth, its as simple as that.

They hire you in as cheap as they can, train you, get you certs and such, then give you the COL raise. They would have to pay what you are really worth for a replacement, so they'll keep paying you peanuts as long as you let them.

 

[rh71]

^ yup you will not get anywhere near a $20k raise by staying in the same company. You may not even get it going to a new place, depending on skills required.

 

[Chaotic42]

Originally posted by: BoomerD
heh-heh! I actually think the years of experience are worth more than the degree.

I think I say that to myself every day that I go to work. It's almost like they're handing degrees out for free.

 

[Nightfall]

Originally posted by: Young Grasshopper

Originally posted by: child of wonder
So you're 2.5 years removed from not knowing what AD is, have no degree or certs, and you think you should be making 75k? Even for California that's hilarious.

i have a degree, but no mcse(although i will get one). i know more than alot of mcse's, my co-worker has one and he didnt know shit about terminal services, iis, etc...he took the braindumps to get it. like i said here, ITS WHAT YOU KNOW not what you have on paper. a few guys here have no degree or certs but they make maybe 100k+ because of thier experiance, they are experts at what they do.



ya maybe im kidding myself with the whole 75k, id love 70 but i guess who knows thanks everyone for your replys.

What kind of degree do you have? Is it in the IT field? You also have limited experience which doesn't help matters. Yes, limited experience is about 3 years. Just as you said, those people who make 100k a year do it because of their experience and they are experts at what they do. Are you comparing yourself to them saying you are just as good as them with only 3 years under your belt?

 

[Christobevii3]

I have a 4 year degree in MIS and on my first fulltime job but have roughly 5 years of experience. I enjoy my job and have very little expenses (no car, pay $300 month for housing starting next month). I think you need to figure out if you are happy with your job and not the money. I mean, yeah I could have taken more money, but I wouldnt be programming wireless access points for a city wide wireless network on the police cars and doing more printer bs.

 

[Elbryn]

Originally posted by: Chaotic42

Originally posted by: BoomerD
heh-heh! I actually think the years of experience are worth more than the degree.

I think I say that to myself every day that I go to work. It's almost like they're handing degrees out for free.

If by free you mean student loans 8)

 

[Injury]

Originally posted by: child of wonder
So you're 2.5 years removed from not knowing what AD is, have no degree or certs, and you think you should be making 75k? Even for California that's hilarious.

That's only slightly better than the guy who posted here wanting 60k to do nothing of value to a company.

 

[KentState]

Don't listen to the naysayers about a raise that big. Twice with the same company I got two 15k raises over a three year period. About 5 years ago I started making $48k as a programmer. After my divorce, I knew I needed more money to keep my house. I obtained an offer from a different company and took it to my employer. That gave me my first raise to $63k and then for the yearly reviews it was increased to $65k. About a year later, a co-worker left and the company she worked for wanted me to join them. Once again I told my employer of the situation and without hesitation, they gave me another $15k raise and a promotion to Manager of Business Intelligence. Once again this year, I decided to do some private contracting work using vacation time. The company I worked for interviewed me and is now hiring me on and I was able to get a raise of $60k over my current job. Lets just say that I'm moving from Ohio to Atlanta this week.

 

[Josh]

Originally posted by: KentState
Don't listen to the naysayers about a raise that big. Twice with the same company I got two 15k raises over a three year period. About 5 years ago I started making $48k as a programmer. After my divorce, I knew I needed more money to keep my house. I obtained an offer from a different company and took it to my employer. That gave me my first raise to $63k and then for the yearly reviews it was increased to $65k. About a year later, a co-worker left and the company she worked for wanted me to join them. Once again I told my employer of the situation and without hesitation, they gave me another $15k raise and a promotion to Manager of Business Intelligence. Once again this year, I decided to do some private contracting work using vacation time. The company I worked for interviewed me and is now hiring me on and I was able to get a raise of $60k over my current job. Lets just say that I'm moving from Ohio to Atlanta this week.

So now your making $140k since when you started 5 years ago at $48k?

 

[Joemonkey]

Originally posted by: Josh

Originally posted by: KentState
Don't listen to the naysayers about a raise that big. Twice with the same company I got two 15k raises over a three year period. About 5 years ago I started making $48k as a programmer. After my divorce, I knew I needed more money to keep my house. I obtained an offer from a different company and took it to my employer. That gave me my first raise to $63k and then for the yearly reviews it was increased to $65k. About a year later, a co-worker left and the company she worked for wanted me to join them. Once again I told my employer of the situation and without hesitation, they gave me another $15k raise and a promotion to Manager of Business Intelligence. Once again this year, I decided to do some private contracting work using vacation time. The company I worked for interviewed me and is now hiring me on and I was able to get a raise of $60k over my current job. Lets just say that I'm moving from Ohio to Atlanta this week.

So now your making $140k since when you started 5 years ago at $48k?

In IT this is possible if you heavily specialize in an area.

 

[BoberFett]

You don't get that kind of increase by staying in the same position. You have to change positions or change companies for that kind of raise.

 

[BoberFett]

Originally posted by: KentState
Don't listen to the naysayers about a raise that big. Twice with the same company I got two 15k raises over a three year period. About 5 years ago I started making $48k as a programmer. After my divorce, I knew I needed more money to keep my house. I obtained an offer from a different company and took it to my employer. That gave me my first raise to $63k and then for the yearly reviews it was increased to $65k. About a year later, a co-worker left and the company she worked for wanted me to join them. Once again I told my employer of the situation and without hesitation, they gave me another $15k raise and a promotion to Manager of Business Intelligence. Once again this year, I decided to do some private contracting work using vacation time. The company I worked for interviewed me and is now hiring me on and I was able to get a raise of $60k over my current job. Lets just say that I'm moving from Ohio to Atlanta this week.

You said yourself your title changed to Manager. That's not a raise, it's a promotion.

 

[Genx87]

I just dont see them giving you that big of a raise. A change of jobs is required. Unless you got really lucky or are brilliant. You have to pay dues. This usually consists of sitting on a help desk for 3-5 years getting paid beans to provide hand holding for rest of the organization.

I'd say if you have 3 years and a good background look around at other positions. 75K for what you are doing doesnt sound absurd at all. It just that no manager can ask his manager to give one of his employee's a 40% raise hehe.

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: Josh

Originally posted by: KentState
Don't listen to the naysayers about a raise that big. Twice with the same company I got two 15k raises over a three year period. About 5 years ago I started making $48k as a programmer. After my divorce, I knew I needed more money to keep my house. I obtained an offer from a different company and took it to my employer. That gave me my first raise to $63k and then for the yearly reviews it was increased to $65k. About a year later, a co-worker left and the company she worked for wanted me to join them. Once again I told my employer of the situation and without hesitation, they gave me another $15k raise and a promotion to Manager of Business Intelligence. Once again this year, I decided to do some private contracting work using vacation time. The company I worked for interviewed me and is now hiring me on and I was able to get a raise of $60k over my current job. Lets just say that I'm moving from Ohio to Atlanta this week.

So now your making $140k since when you started 5 years ago at $48k?

With the right skill set and opportunity this is very possible. But as you will note it involved a promotion and change of jobs to make it happen.

 

[KentState]

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: Josh

Originally posted by: KentState
Don't listen to the naysayers about a raise that big. Twice with the same company I got two 15k raises over a three year period. About 5 years ago I started making $48k as a programmer. After my divorce, I knew I needed more money to keep my house. I obtained an offer from a different company and took it to my employer. That gave me my first raise to $63k and then for the yearly reviews it was increased to $65k. About a year later, a co-worker left and the company she worked for wanted me to join them. Once again I told my employer of the situation and without hesitation, they gave me another $15k raise and a promotion to Manager of Business Intelligence. Once again this year, I decided to do some private contracting work using vacation time. The company I worked for interviewed me and is now hiring me on and I was able to get a raise of $60k over my current job. Lets just say that I'm moving from Ohio to Atlanta this week.

So now your making $140k since when you started 5 years ago at $48k?

With the right skill set and opportunity this is very possible. But as you will note it involved a promotion and change of jobs to make it happen.

That is correct. I did get a promotion to get to $80k, but I said that I wanted to title and the raise since I had the responsibility already. I actually started as an entry level programmer 9 years ago when I was 21 making a cool $30k a year.

I will say that I'm not a person that sits in the background. I make sure I'm involved in the decision making processes, budgeting, volunteering for big project, putting in extra time, and whatever else it takes to get my name and reputation out there. I work with a lot of people that are happy just being a programmer or dba, but that's not me. I want to see how far up the chain.

 

[Indolent]

Originally posted by: duragezic

Uhh, 55k is low, and entry level IT people average 70k and 100+ k in CA? I guess I'm in the wrong field.

exactly my thoughts.