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So...I signed up for a marathon. (I feel crazy)

Scarpozzi

Lifer
I used to be somewhat athletic, but my distance running was never anything to write home about. (meaning, I wasn't ever the fastest kid)

So...I'm gonna do this because I'm turning 35 next month and now have a 3 year old and a 1.5 year old....I've been dormant since all that mess started. I've not gotten too fat, but I've not been active. The marathon is in January....so I've got 30 weeks to train.

I started Tuesday night with a 3 mile run/walk that took me 41 minutes. I did the same run this morning in 37 minutes with sore calves. I'm taking it easy because I don't want to get injured early on.... I'm going to follow the Jeff Galloway plan and track my progress with Strava. (7.1 miles this week, but only about 4 of those were running)

My current stats are: 34.9 years old, 225lbs, 6'4"....out of shape....10 minute mile.

I'm wanting to get my shorter runs down to an 8 minute mile (or less...shouldn't be too difficult with a month of runs) and I want to drop about 15lbs, which won't be easy, but I got there in 2013 by shoveling 35 tons of gravel. 😀

Any advice from experienced runners?

Thanks,

-Scar
 
No advice, just some major congrats for making the commitment!

I really want to do a marathon as well, but those long distances always seem to aggravate my IT Band so I have always pussed out. My wife however is a marathon runner, and as she tells me the only way to prepare is by putting the miles in.

If it were me, I wouldn't worry too much about getting in eight minute miles if you are prepping for a marathon. Most of my runs would be easy pace. Maybe a little speed work here and there, but probably not a whole lot especially for my first marathon. Actually a 10 minute mile just starting out isn't bad at all.

Good luck!
 
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No advice, just some major congrats for making the commitment!

I really want to do a marathon as well, but those long distances always seem to aggravate my IT Band so I have always pussed out. My wife however is a marathon runner, and as she tells me the only way to prepare is by putting the miles in.

If it were me, I wouldn't worry too much about getting in eight minute miles if you are prepping for a marathon. Most of my runs would be easy pace. Maybe a little speed work here and there, but probably not a whole lot especially for my first marathon. Actually a 10 minute mile just starting out isn't bad at all.

Good luck!
Good advice. I'm not worried about my running time in the marathon or even in longer distances...I'm just talking about getting my conditioning up so I can handle 9-10 minute miles in the race without dying. My concern is that if I don't complete the marathon in 4 hours, I'm going to be too hungry and way too tired to finish, if that makes sense.
 
Good advice. I'm not worried about my running time in the marathon or even in longer distances...I'm just talking about getting my conditioning up so I can handle 9-10 minute miles in the race without dying. My concern is that if I don't complete the marathon in 4 hours, I'm going to be too hungry and way too tired to finish, if that makes sense.

That is probably something some of the longer distance guys can address, but again referring to my wife, in-race fueling is a bigger deal in marathons than shorter races. I know my wife does not go the entire race without fueling in some way, whether that is gels or actual food. That is something that needs to be worked in during your training however because you do NOT want to experiment with such things on the day of the race.

A lot of marathons and even half marathons have gel stations somewhere along the course. If you can find out what they will be providing you can try those out during training runs to see how they affect your system. Even with an iron stomach I have found that some of those gels really give me abdominal issues on my long runs (I only get up to 15-16 miles or so, nothing like a marathon). I don't think I could ever go 26 miles without some type of mid race fueling however.
 
So as an ultramarathon runner I'll just tell you right now you'll need to figure out fueling for your marathon. Whether that's gels, actual food, etc, you'll need calories for a marathon.

I'll echo what is said above which is do all your experimenting BEFORE race day. You don't want to find out on race day that a certain gel makes your stomach flip flop around.

To that end, I'm going to bold this DONT WORRY ABOUT YOUR PACE It's your first marathon, focus on finishing. If you're a bit hungry at the finish so be it as long as you're fueling up correctly you'll be fine.

Often times you're hungry because you just don't have food in your stomach. Example. I ran 32 mile training run 2 weekends ago on trail with some friends. It took us about 7 hours to finish. I was definitely hungry when I finished but I had ingested about 800-900 calories in those 7 hours. And while I did immediately eat something when I finished I was comfortable with the hungry feeling because I'm used to it, and because of my training I know what to expect on race day.

Couple other quick notes, buy some bodyglide/runner's lube something for your inner thighs. Chafing can ruin a race in a hurry, again experiment in training to find what works best. Ditto with running shoes, shirts, shorts etc. I have my short distance shorts and my long distance shorts. And bandaids. They'll save your nipples.
 
No advice, just some major congrats for making the commitment!

I really want to do a marathon as well, but those long distances always seem to aggravate my IT Band so I have always pussed out. My wife however is a marathon runner, and as she tells me the only way to prepare is by putting the miles in.

If it were me, I wouldn't worry too much about getting in eight minute miles if you are prepping for a marathon. Most of my runs would be easy pace. Maybe a little speed work here and there, but probably not a whole lot especially for my first marathon. Actually a 10 minute mile just starting out isn't bad at all.

Good luck!

To the OP: The bolded stuff is all gold. Put in the miles - the more, the merrier. Don't worry about pace too much. And congratulations! If you put in the training, marathons aren't that tough.

Oh, and how have you been, Trauma? Haven't seen you in the mileage thread in a while!
 
Talking about fueling is what's funny...

I had a grilled chicken sandwich for lunch (chicken I grilled last night) and a banana for lunch with water....I was stuffed when I ate all that.

I can already tell my metabolism is ramping up. I'm starving right now. When I was 18-20, I was a collegiate rower... (wrestled and ran 800s/1600s/3200s in high school) In those days, I could eat whatever I wanted... I can tell that I'm going to have to work out not just race-day food, but how I'm going to handle diet in the next 6 months. Sheesh...this is getting serious.
 
I decided to run a marathon in May of this year (Colorado Marathon) around early November of 2014. So that's roughly 6 months to train for it. I had run a lot back in high school, and then stopped... I'm 44 (5'11", 160lbs) and high school was a really long time ago so I was essentially starting from nothing. I was in pretty good shape at the time that I decided to run - I was an avid cyclist (past tense, now I'm an avid runner... decided quickly that I couldn't do both and succeed well at either). But while I could ride a serious mountain cycling race, I had no recent experience running. Getting started was hard. You'd think cycling is legs and lungs and running is legs and lungs, but I found out that they are clearly different leg muscles quickly.

I set a goal time for my first marathon of sub-4 hours. Which is probably pretty aggressive, but, hey, it's a goal and I wanted it to be hard.

I went to a runners store, had them put me on a treadmill and we analyzed my gait and tried on a dozen pairs of super expensive shoes, picked my favorite and and I bought two pairs of the most expensive shoes that I've ever purchased. Then a bit later, I bought a Garmin 220 because it's really nice to have a watch and to load my times into Strava and Runkeeper and see how I'm doing.

I ran into some knee issues once I started getting over about 12 miles in a run some time in early March 2015, went to physical therapy, backed off the running for 2-3 weeks and then decided that I wasn't going to make it to marathon distances in time for May 2nd, so I moved to a half marathon. I finished the half in 1h42m, and signed up for the San Francisco Marathon on July 26, 2015. So in about 3 weeks from now. I'm still not sure if I can complete a marathon a marathon in sub 4 hours - I'm running a decent pace and decent lengths although my peak range isn't as far as it should be. But based on my pace and how I feel after running, I'm thinking I'm not too far off. We'll see. I'm going 20 tomorrow and then trying for 22 next week and I'll see how I run and how I feel and then I'll call it good enough and that will be the farthest I go until the 26th. I know people say that there's a psychological reason to complete a marathon before the real thing, but I'm hoping altitude (from here in CO at 5200ft. to sea level) and the crowd will pull me through the last 4 miles.

I didn't realize that the SF marathon is considered one of the harder (the hardest?) Boston qualifier due to the hills - although I'm feeling stupid for not realizing it until recently - and so that will impact my goal. But I'm committed so it's marathon or bust. If I bomb out in the SF Marathon, then I'll set my eye on the Colorado Marathon for next May (considered to be one of the easiest Boston Marathon qualifiers because it's mostly downhill) and try again next year. For the Colorado Marathon, I'm thinking my goal will be to qualify for the Boston Marathon... just to do it, not to actually go.

Starting out for me was very hard. Those first couple of months kind of sucked - I felt lousy after running, felt lousy while running, and my times were terrible. Then it got good for a while, and then once I got above 15 miles, it got hard again because various pains started cropping up in new and creative muscles that I'd never heard of. My best advice is to make a plan, make absolutely positively certain that your partner is bought into the goal (a marathon) and your plan to get there because the hours start to add up and then stick with that plan closely. On the partner thing, this is imporant... it was one thing for me to think about going out on 3+ hour run, it's another thing when my wife realized that I was leaving her with the kids for 3+ hours on a weekend to go running... and that this was going to happen virtually every weekend for several months. We had a few difficult conversations for a while there until my wife realized how important this was to me... and I shifted my running to early early morning (I get up around 5:30am to run) when it impacted the family less. Lastly, if you are like me and don't 't have a lot of running experience, let me tell you.. a marathon is a really long way to run. I had no idea what I was signing myself up for until recently... a marathon is far. When I'm out there and things start hurting and I still have a bunch of miles to go, I think "no wonder Pheidippides died doing it." and I've still never actually ran a real marathon yet. I am not sure how I'll do in SF in 3 weeks, but I feel like I'm in the best shape I've been in a long while.

Good luck, my friend.
 
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My biggest fears a lower back and knee issues. It was tough not running yesterday and today(knowing that I'm not going to run today). I'm doing 3 miles tomorrow morning...for my first long run. What's interesting is how good my legs are starting to feel after I tore them up the first day. There really is something to this rest thing.

Back to the fueling topic, what are the more popular gels and caloric intake products that runners are using these days? Are there any brands that stand out as being superior? Also, do most major marathons provide these for free or will I need to take some with me during the run?
 
My biggest fears a lower back and knee issues. It was tough not running yesterday and today(knowing that I'm not going to run today). I'm doing 3 miles tomorrow morning...for my first long run. What's interesting is how good my legs are starting to feel after I tore them up the first day. There really is something to this rest thing.

Back to the fueling topic, what are the more popular gels and caloric intake products that runners are using these days? Are there any brands that stand out as being superior? Also, do most major marathons provide these for free or will I need to take some with me during the run?

Lots of different options on fueling. I've got a pretty strong stomach, so I just happen to grab whatever brand gel is available. You'll want to experiment on your long run to see what works best for you. Most long races provide them, but usually not until the later aid stations (usually after Mile 15 or so). By then, you may already be in a calorie deficit, so that's a little too late (at least for me). For this reason, I always start the race with a few gels in my pockets, and I'll start taking them before Mile 10. I'll take 3-5 during a marathon, depending on how I feel.
 
I decided to run a marathon in May of this year (Colorado Marathon) around early November of 2014. So that's roughly 6 months to train for it. I had run a lot back in high school, and then stopped... I'm 44 (5'11", 160lbs) and high school was a really long time ago so I was essentially starting from nothing. I was in pretty good shape at the time that I decided to run - I was an avid cyclist (past tense, now I'm an avid runner... decided quickly that I couldn't do both and succeed well at either). But while I could ride a serious mountain cycling race, I had no recent experience running. Getting started was hard. You'd think cycling is legs and lungs and running is legs and lungs, but I found out that they are clearly different leg muscles quickly.

I set a goal time for my first marathon of sub-4 hours. Which is probably pretty aggressive, but, hey, it's a goal and I wanted it to be hard.

I went to a runners store, had them put me on a treadmill and we analyzed my gait and tried on a dozen pairs of super expensive shoes, picked my favorite and and I bought two pairs of the most expensive shoes that I've ever purchased. Then a bit later, I bought a Garmin 220 because it's really nice to have a watch and to load my times into Strava and Runkeeper and see how I'm doing.

I ran into some knee issues once I started getting over about 12 miles in a run some time in early March 2015, went to physical therapy, backed off the running for 2-3 weeks and then decided that I wasn't going to make it to marathon distances in time for May 2nd, so I moved to a half marathon. I finished the half in 1h42m, and signed up for the San Francisco Marathon on July 26, 2015. So in about 3 weeks from now. I'm still not sure if I can complete a marathon a marathon in sub 4 hours - I'm running a decent pace and decent lengths although my peak range isn't as far as it should be. But based on my pace and how I feel after running, I'm thinking I'm not too far off. We'll see. I'm going 20 tomorrow and then trying for 22 next week and I'll see how I run and how I feel and then I'll call it good enough and that will be the farthest I go until the 26th. I know people say that there's a psychological reason to complete a marathon before the real thing, but I'm hoping altitude (from here in CO at 5200ft. to sea level) and the crowd will pull me through the last 4 miles.

I didn't realize that the SF marathon is considered one of the harder (the hardest?) Boston qualifier due to the hills - although I'm feeling stupid for not realizing it until recently - and so that will impact my goal. But I'm committed so it's marathon or bust. If I bomb out in the SF Marathon, then I'll set my eye on the Colorado Marathon for next May (considered to be one of the easiest Boston Marathon qualifiers because it's mostly downhill) and try again next year. For the Colorado Marathon, I'm thinking my goal will be to qualify for the Boston Marathon... just to do it, not to actually go.

Starting out for me was very hard. Those first couple of months kind of sucked - I felt lousy after running, felt lousy while running, and my times were terrible. Then it got good for a while, and then once I got above 15 miles, it got hard again because various pains started cropping up in new and creative muscles that I'd never heard of. My best advice is to make a plan, make absolutely positively certain that your partner is bought into the goal (a marathon) and your plan to get there because the hours start to add up and then stick with that plan closely. On the partner thing, this is imporant... it was one thing for me to think about going out on 3+ hour run, it's another thing when my wife realized that I was leaving her with the kids for 3+ hours on a weekend to go running... and that this was going to happen virtually every weekend for several months. We had a few difficult conversations for a while there until my wife realized how important this was to me... and I shifted my running to early early morning (I get up around 5:30am to run) when it impacted the family less. Lastly, if you are like me and don't 't have a lot of running experience, let me tell you.. a marathon is a really long way to run. I had no idea what I was signing myself up for until recently... a marathon is far. When I'm out there and things start hurting and I still have a bunch of miles to go, I think "no wonder Pheidippides died doing it." and I've still never actually ran a real marathon yet. I am not sure how I'll do in SF in 3 weeks, but I feel like I'm in the best shape I've been in a long while.

Good luck, my friend.

Good luck. Reading your post, a few thoughts came to mind.

1) Based on your 1:42 half, a sub-4:00 is theoretically possible. My half PR was 1:50 when I ran my first full, and I hit 3:56, so obviously, if you're faster at the half, you should be faster at the full. Of course, the course may prevent that, so don't be disappointed if you miss your time goal. Just pace yourself smart (don't start too fast!!) and see how you feel in the final 6.2.

2) A 20 mile long run followed by a 22 mile long run the next week, and just a week before your race, is not the best idea. Two weeks out from your race, you really need to start thinking about a taper period. One 20 miler is enough, especially since you're new to longer distances. How much mileage are you getting the rest of the week? The long run is overrated - I'm a big believer in weekly volume over a longer long run. Leading up to my PR marathon in 2013, I did nothing longer than a 16 miler, but I was also doing 2-3 10 milers per week. I ran a 3:19 that time.

3) Have fun and don't worry about the distance. You can do it. 26.2 seems far at first, but once you've run a few, you'll cease to be intimidated by the distance. Marathons really aren't that hard - fast marathons are hard! You're the same age I was when I ran my first, only you're also about 20 pounds lighter. Assuming you don't have any mid-race injuries and the hills aren't terrible, you should have no problem going sub-4:00. Give us a race report when you're done!
 
I'll write more later but as a first time marathoner, I suggest following Hal Higdon's Beginner I Marathon training program. Do not worry about pace.

PM, I don't know where you're getting your advice but I've never heard anyone suggest running a marathon distance prior to a marathon. I top out at 21-23 for my longest long run and taper 3 weeks prior to a marathon. Between injuries and your high mileage right up to the marathon, I don't think you're going to be able to do as well if you tapered 2-3 weeks prior to the marathon. You're setting yourself for injury. And I agree with Mursilis, the long run is over-rated and your mileage during the week is more important.

And I've found finding a running group to be the best means for training and motivation.

Going to start my training for the Marine Corp Marathon this week and one 21 mile long run will be longest long run during training.
 
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Capt Caveman[/B];37536903]I'll write more later but as a first time marathoner, I suggest following Hal Higdon's Beginner I Marathon training program. Do not worry about pace.

PM, I don't know where you're getting your advice but I've never heard anyone suggest running a marathon distance prior to a marathon. I top out at 21-23 for my longest long run and taper 3 weeks prior to a marathon.
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My sentiments right here. Do NOT worry about pace. Your goal is to finish your first, right? And the "running a marathon prior to a marathon" must be kind of new thinking I believe. I haven't done any great distance running in awhile, but when I did my first (and only) I think I only got up to like 16-18 miles. I know that's the exception and not the rule - another extreme. But you are totally safe making your longest run 20-22 miles, trust me. As long as you put your weekly mileage in these last few weeks/months, you'll be fine. It's the variables/unforseen circumstances (like lack of fueling or hydration), chafing as someone mentioned, and the possibility of injury that you'll be fighting against IMO. And let's face it, a marathon is not really good for your body. It breaks you down. Makes you prone to overuse injuries. Some people take weeks to recover. Not sure why you'd want to do that to yourself before your actual race as a noob.
 
I've read a lot of programs that suggest running 26 miles about 3-4 weeks prior to the marathon...then doing like 7mi runs for weekly long runs before the marathon.

A lot of people suggest you're more likely to get injured on those runs and say it's better to hold off and run the race...let the crowd pull you through the last 2-3 miles.
 
Wow, this is awesome. Good for you! I have never run a marathon or half marathon, but I do run a lot of 5/10k's. My biggest issue is blistering/calluses on the balls of both my feet. I have really high arches which plays a big part in this. I've been to the doc plenty of times for foot pain which turned out to be plantar fascitis due to the high arches. When I went in for custom orthotics, the doc told me that there really is nothing he could do about the balls of my feet but did mentioned that I should get a stick of body glide anti-chafe gel as it will reduce friction there. I did just that... and this stuff is amazing if you are having any sort of blistering problems or chafing problems. The doctor I saw was actually a runner and he mentioned that he uses it on his nipples so his (sweaty) shirt doesn't keep rubbing them his entire run.

This is the stuff I have: http://www.amazon.com/Bodyglide-Ori...pebp=1436187178453&perid=1PNPB42C3XG83VHB4A3K

May or may not be something to think about, but I thought I'd share. Good luck to you!
 
Wow, this is awesome. Good for you! I have never run a marathon or half marathon, but I do run a lot of 5/10k's. My biggest issue is blistering/calluses on the balls of both my feet. I have really high arches which plays a big part in this. I've been to the doc plenty of times for foot pain which turned out to be plantar fascitis due to the high arches. When I went in for custom orthotics, the doc told me that there really is nothing he could do about the balls of my feet but did mentioned that I should get a stick of body glide anti-chafe gel as it will reduce friction there. I did just that... and this stuff is amazing if you are having any sort of blistering problems or chafing problems. The doctor I saw was actually a runner and he mentioned that he uses it on his nipples so his (sweaty) shirt doesn't keep rubbing them his entire run.


May or may not be something to think about, but I thought I'd share. Good luck to you!

Not to take this too far off topic, but I have super high arches as well. Believe it or not, but the thing that helped me the most was getting away from any type of arch support and going to lower drop, more flexible shoes (Kinvara, GoRun, etc.). I think you need to let your arch flex. All of those superfeet types of insoles try to prevent you arch from flexing, but it is still going to try and when it hits those hard supports it gets painful.

Anyhow, back on topic!

Yes, anti-chafe products can help on those long runs. I guess I am lucky and have no real problem areas, but putting some body glide over the nipples can save you a really bad shower experience if it happens to rain while you are out there putting the miles in. I have too much hair on my chest to wear band aids, but body glide really, really helps.
 
I've read a lot of programs that suggest running 26 miles about 3-4 weeks prior to the marathon...then doing like 7mi runs for weekly long runs before the marathon.

A lot of people suggest you're more likely to get injured on those runs and say it's better to hold off and run the race...let the crowd pull you through the last 2-3 miles.

Links? I would ignore them. Your total weekly mileage is more important than the distance of your long run.

http://www.active.com/running/articles/how-long-should-your-long-runs-be-during-marathon-training

http://running.competitor.com/2014/08/training/is-26-2-miles-necessary-before-the-marathon_46463

http://www.all-about-marathon-training.com/long-distance-running.html
 
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Links? I would ignore them. Your total weekly mileage is more important than the distance of your long run.
Jeff Galloway has a 30 week program that does. You basically build up to 20-23-26 miles with the 26 a month before the marathon. That's the program I started with this week...I've done 10.1 miles so far.

http://www.jeffgalloway.com/training/marathon-training/

I may switch gears to a different program that he has and try cutting those maxes down. I'm actually looking at doing a 10k (6.2 mile) race in 2 weeks. I call it a race, but I would only be running that for experience and wouldn't be taking it for speed at all... I would just swap it out for my weekly long run since I've got a few plans that suggest doing 5-5.5 miles by week 3.
 
Jeff Galloway has a 30 week program that does. You basically build up to 20-23-26 miles with the 26 a month before the marathon. That's the program I started with this week...I've done 10.1 miles so far.

http://www.jeffgalloway.com/training/marathon-training/

I may switch gears to a different program that he has and try cutting those maxes down. I'm actually looking at doing a 10k (6.2 mile) race in 2 weeks. I call it a race, but I would only be running that for experience and wouldn't be taking it for speed at all... I would just swap it out for my weekly long run since I've got a few plans that suggest doing 5-5.5 miles by week 3.

Yeah, I just posted a link that mentioned Galloway. Again, I would ignore his plans, you're just going to injure yourself.
 
I'll write more later but as a first time marathoner, I suggest following Hal Higdon's Beginner I Marathon training program. Do not worry about pace.

PM, I don't know where you're getting your advice but I've never heard anyone suggest running a marathon distance prior to a marathon. I top out at 21-23 for my longest long run and taper 3 weeks prior to a marathon. Between injuries and your high mileage right up to the marathon, I don't think you're going to be able to do as well if you tapered 2-3 weeks prior to the marathon. You're setting yourself for injury. And I agree with Mursilis, the long run is over-rated and your mileage during the week is more important.

And I've found finding a running group to be the best means for training and motivation.

Going to start my training for the Marine Corp Marathon this week and one 21 mile long run will be longest long run during training.

Thanks for the advice, everyone. I did 16 miles yesterday @ roughly 10m15s per mile - and felt pretty good... a bit rough at the end, but good. This is on top of 8 miles on Friday. I then went off with my wife and children to go climb a 14'er (Mt. Bierstadht, 14,060ft). I was moving a bit slow on the trail - my teenage daughter kept saying "keep up, dad!" and we didn't make it in the end due to weather. I'm a bit sore today but feeling good.

I am hearing what you guys are saying and I will do as you suggest. No really long runs in the last three weeks before I go. Got it and I am grateful for the guidance. 🙂

Definitely I will post up a post-marathon run report in another thread.
 
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Ditto the advice on not overdoing it. I went a bit crazy last year and I'm still injured as a result.
The little running I've done this year has been painful and only next month do I plan to ease back into running. I've still be cross training though, so I'm not too out of shape.

And congrats on the first one... You'll either find yourself signing up right away for another one or vowing to never do one again.
 
Yeah, I just posted a link that mentioned Galloway. Again, I would ignore his plans, you're just going to injure yourself.

I agree - that Galloway plan is mostly for walkers who aren't looking to do much more than finish, and aren't serious runners.

Again, weekly mileage matters far more than a few long runs during a training cycle. For my last two fulls, I did nothing more than 14 miles, but also averaged between 40-50 per week, and finished under 3:30 both times. If your body learns to run tired, you'll be able to cover the 26.2 come race day.
 
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