so i put in my 2 weeks notice UPDATE: I"M DONE

[TheGameIs21]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: TheGameIs21
And to the "slander" statement above... You have no idea how easy it is to come up with a valid reason for getting rid of someone for an established rule, especially in a work at will state.

Who cares? He resigned. If, as a former employer, you tell his future prospective employers anything different, then your company can be sued, and rightfully so.

It's pretty obvious you're not in HR. The OP is not leaving for personal reasons, it's about the money. Only a real prick of a manager, like the OP's (and possibly you), would hold that against a departing employee and make it personal. Dumb move. That "it's a small world" and "don't burn bridges" thing works both ways. Someday that departing employee might be your boss (or you might want him to be).

1. HAHAHAHAH You all are so naive. if you guys don't think that managers talk about you outside of a business setting with other managers etc, you are greatly mistaken. How big is the rock all of you guys are hiding under?

2. I never said that the OP was leaving for personal reasons. When he decided to slack off and still get paid the full paycheck he became a slacker (He stated he was going to slack and surf AT) and should be fired on the spot. I wont keep someone on my payroll to pay them to do nothing. I also wouldn't put time sensitive assignments on his plate and suggest he work OT etc... That was just dumb. Not putting in his regulare work is even dumber though... to me, it borders on theft.

3. I don't think it should be against any law to report this stuff on the up and up as long as you have documentation. If I have dumped half a million $ of MY money into a company, I would want to know if I was hiring a slacker or someone that will cost me more than he makes for me. Making sure that there is nothing to report on you is called being responsible for your actions. That is something that most people here at AT aren't in favor of.

 

[torpid]

Until the follow-up post about pestering, nothing I read from the OP seemed at all unusual or wrong. I don't know the back story to this post, though, so maybe it's not "normal" like it seems. If those 3 projects are projects that require your expertise, it's not at all unusual for them to want you to finish them. If it's just 3 random projects as punishment, that's something different.

Employers don't offer pay hikes or increased benefits until the thread of leaving is real. It's the same money-saving logic that make rebates worthwhile. Most people will not actually go through the effort, etc. But once you have another job lined up, it becomes cost effective to keep you at a higher rate, because if it is at a critical juncture or the position needs to be filled immediately, they will likely pay more than they want for a replacement in order to get them quickly.

However, at the point where they DO offer you more money, accepting the pay raise and staying is probably never a good idea. It will always be a bitter memory and they will feel like you are overpaid. If they hire a replacement and end up paying too much, that person will have the same trouble with being overpaid, probably.

 

[Train]

Originally posted by: torpid
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Employers don't offer pay hikes or increased benefits until the thread of leaving is real.
...

he he, pun intended?

 

[Specabecca]

That was just dumb. Not putting in his regulare work is even dumber though... to me, it borders on theft.

Being required to work 75 hour weeks for weeks on end with no overtime borders on theft to me too, but it seems to be acceptable work practice for the software industry. It's fine and dandy if this guy has taken years of abuse, i.e. underpaid, overworked, and treated poorly to not 'hold up his end of the bargain' during his curtesy 2 week exit period after this boss has not held up his part of the bargain from day one, if you ask me.

 

[TheGameIs21]

Originally posted by: Specabecca

That was just dumb. Not putting in his regulare work is even dumber though... to me, it borders on theft.

Being required to work 75 hour weeks for weeks on end with no overtime borders on theft to me too, but it seems to be acceptable work practice for the software industry. It's fine and dandy if this guy has taken years of abuse, i.e. underpaid, overworked, and treated poorly to not 'hold up his end of the bargain' during his curtesy 2 week exit period after this boss has not held up his part of the bargain from day one, if you ask me.

Clear and simple.... Ready..

If you are being paid to do 80 hours of work (2 weeks notice) you should WORK for the 80 hours so that you EARN your pay. Pay is not an entitlement or a benefit. Pay is compensation for work performed. It's called having a work ethic. If a company is paying me a salary of 60K+ a year, I know that I am being paid not as an hourly employee. I know that I will work unpaid OT. I also know that if I can't handle that, I need to find another employer or find another career.

Where did the boss not "Hold up his end of the bargain"? Did the guy know he was Salary? Did he get paid when and what was due him according to the hiring paperwork?

For those that scream "They are taking advantage of the worker by making him work 70+ hours a week"... If you can't work according to their schedule then find another job or career. I have and it has worked out for me.

My work ethic says that I do EVERYTHING I can to make my position the most profitable possition at a company. This will go far to ensure that they will continue to pay me and 8 out of 10 years (since the work force is packed with slackers) I get an annual payraise in recognition of my efforts where the slackers are lucky the get to keep their current pay. Along with the pay, I have satisfaction that I have contributed to my own future by making my position as solid as possible. Yeah, I can be laid off but they are going to lay off the slacker who has a value of $30 an hour where mine is $90 - $120 an hour.

I also know that if my boss plays golf with a previous boss, they will likely end up in a bidding war for me.

 

[torpid]

Originally posted by: Train

Originally posted by: torpid
...
Employers don't offer pay hikes or increased benefits until the thread of leaving is real.
...

he he, pun intended?

Occidental typo, I swear.

 

TheGame is right...however after 4 years here I have no work ethic left (towards this place)

I've learned that busting my ass here at work doesn't get me promotions, it doesn't get me a raise

all it does is make people's expectations of me even higher

I'm worth twice as much as i get paid, and i have proven it with written job offers
My work load is more than one person can handle, and this has been a known fact since I started this job
For 4 years I've busted my ass, sacrificed my family, my health, my finances and my personal life for this company - only for other managers to steal credit or drop the ball and waste all the work i've done

And for the record, i slept STRAIGHT through work on monday, worked yesterday (and busted butt doing so), and i'm at work today (and on my first ATOT break right now)

 

[IHateMyJob2004]

Originally posted by: troytime
first my boss threatens that I'll lose 15k in pension if i quit before i complete my 5th year
i shrug and say that will be made up for in my first year of wages at my new job

then he offers a raise, that is 7k LESS than my new job pays (and he knows it)

he's finally accepted that i'm leaving...

but today he gives me this project list
the top 3 are massive projects that he says MUST be done before i leave.
He said he wants me coming in early and working late to get them done.

WTF?
I'm gonna spend the next 2 weeks slacking and surfin ATOT
i may finish one of the projects just because it'll look good in my portfolio, but i'm not gonna bust my ass before i leave

Do your best to get things done. You'll never know if you'll nbeed that job again. Leave on good terms and leave a good impression. Even if you don't get things done, show that you atleast tried.

 

[IHateMyJob2004]

Originally posted by: troytime
TheGame is right...however after 4 years here I have no work ethic left (towards this place)

I've learned that busting my ass here at work doesn't get me promotions, it doesn't get me a raise

all it does is make people's expectations of me even higher

I'm worth twice as much as i get paid, and i have proven it with written job offers
My work load is more than one person can handle, and this has been a known fact since I started this job
For 4 years I've busted my ass, sacrificed my family, my health, my finances and my personal life for this company - only for other managers to steal credit or drop the ball and waste all the work i've done

And for the record, i slept STRAIGHT through work on monday, worked yesterday (and busted butt doing so), and i'm at work today (and on my first ATOT break right now)

Welcome to the real world Neo.

 

[Specabecca]

Originally posted by: TheGameIs21

Originally posted by: Specabecca

That was just dumb. Not putting in his regulare work is even dumber though... to me, it borders on theft.

Being required to work 75 hour weeks for weeks on end with no overtime borders on theft to me too, but it seems to be acceptable work practice for the software industry. It's fine and dandy if this guy has taken years of abuse, i.e. underpaid, overworked, and treated poorly to not 'hold up his end of the bargain' during his curtesy 2 week exit period after this boss has not held up his part of the bargain from day one, if you ask me.

Clear and simple.... Ready..

If you are being paid to do 80 hours of work (2 weeks notice) you should WORK for the 80 hours so that you EARN your pay. Pay is not an entitlement or a benefit. Pay is compensation for work performed. It's called having a work ethic. If a company is paying me a salary of 60K+ a year, I know that I am being paid not as an hourly employee. I know that I will work unpaid OT. I also know that if I can't handle that, I need to find another employer or find another career.

Where did the boss not "Hold up his end of the bargain"? Did the guy know he was Salary? Did he get paid when and what was due him according to the hiring paperwork?

For those that scream "They are taking advantage of the worker by making him work 70+ hours a week"... If you can't work according to their schedule then find another job or career. I have and it has worked out for me.

My work ethic says that I do EVERYTHING I can to make my position the most profitable possition at a company. This will go far to ensure that they will continue to pay me and 8 out of 10 years (since the work force is packed with slackers) I get an annual payraise in recognition of my efforts where the slackers are lucky the get to keep their current pay. Along with the pay, I have satisfaction that I have contributed to my own future by making my position as solid as possible. Yeah, I can be laid off but they are going to lay off the slacker who has a value of $30 an hour where mine is $90 - $120 an hour.

I also know that if my boss plays golf with a previous boss, they will likely end up in a bidding war for me.

Claiming all responsibility belongs to the employee is pretty naive. If you give someone an impossible task, call it 'part of the job', then discipline that person for 'failing' at said task, the problem is not with the employee, but with the employer. If I am a bridge builder, and then I'm told 'go build a bridge... by tomorrow at 5,' I'll fail. Even if I do EVERYTHING to get the job done, I'll fail. For that matter, you would too.

You seem to have np finding precise requirements for the employee, but you have to remember it is a 2 way street. The employer has to give appropriate tasks with feasible time lines, at the very least. Troytime already stated that "he also wants me to document everything i do because he has no idea what i really do during the day". That says volumes to me. His boss doesn't even know what he does, so he is incapable of managing him properly.

Yea, Troytime should work the hours that he is paid to work, but Troytime's boss should also be replaced and his replacement should give him reasonable work tasks. Since the latter won't be happening, I don't see a need for the former. It's all down the pooper.

Maybe my head is just in the sand, but from my limited experiences, egineering types aren't motivated by the money, but by the work. Why work if the job is motivating me to bang my head into the wall repeatedly? No thanks.

This is a positive thread though. Troy is getting out and moving on to greener pastures. :thumbsup:

 

[Svnla]

Hey OP, even if the company didn't treat you very well in the last 4 years, I would work a normal load for the last 2 weeks. Don't bust your tail but don't slack off either. Like others said, no need to burn bridge, not worth it.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: TheGameIs21
1. HAHAHAHAH You all are so naive. if you guys don't think that managers talk about you outside of a business setting with other managers etc, you are greatly mistaken. How big is the rock all of you guys are hiding under?

2. I never said that the OP was leaving for personal reasons. When he decided to slack off and still get paid the full paycheck he became a slacker (He stated he was going to slack and surf AT) and should be fired on the spot. I wont keep someone on my payroll to pay them to do nothing. I also wouldn't put time sensitive assignments on his plate and suggest he work OT etc... That was just dumb. Not putting in his regulare work is even dumber though... to me, it borders on theft.

3. I don't think it should be against any law to report this stuff on the up and up as long as you have documentation. If I have dumped half a million $ of MY money into a company, I would want to know if I was hiring a slacker or someone that will cost me more than he makes for me. Making sure that there is nothing to report on you is called being responsible for your actions. That is something that most people here at AT aren't in favor of.

1. I'm not naive. I just don't work in the bullsh!t software industry. In my business, this issue doesn't come up because an employee better clean out his desk before giving notice as we will be cleaning it out for him after he gives notice and we'll ship his stuff to him in a box. Too much confidential customer information -- too much danger he could take that info to his next company.

2. You and I both know his (soon-to-be-ex-) boss is in the wrong. Considering that the reason he is dumping the extra work on him is because he can't fill the position, and that he underpays, I doubt he networks much or is very popular in the biz around town.

3. Quitting a lower-paying job to move to a higher-pay one does not make an employee a slacker. Being under productive under poor management does not make an employee a slacker. If you truly are a manager who does any hiring (as I have been more than once in my career, including owning my own company), I imagine you miss many diamonds-in-the-rough.
"Game, I know you just (as a courtesy to our company) gave your 2 weeks notice yesterday, but I won't be able to find a replacement for you and so I need you to complete the next 6 months of projects before you go. Of course, we'll need you to stay late every single night and, as an exempt employee, we won't be paying you any overtime, and we still won't match that better paying job you're leaving for, but do it for the team, eh?" :roll:
Who's naive?

 

[Ns1]

Originally posted by: KK
Just start masterbating at your desk.

AAHHAHHAH

 

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: TheGameIs21
1. HAHAHAHAH You all are so naive. if you guys don't think that managers talk about you outside of a business setting with other managers etc, you are greatly mistaken. How big is the rock all of you guys are hiding under?

2. I never said that the OP was leaving for personal reasons. When he decided to slack off and still get paid the full paycheck he became a slacker (He stated he was going to slack and surf AT) and should be fired on the spot. I wont keep someone on my payroll to pay them to do nothing. I also wouldn't put time sensitive assignments on his plate and suggest he work OT etc... That was just dumb. Not putting in his regulare work is even dumber though... to me, it borders on theft.

3. I don't think it should be against any law to report this stuff on the up and up as long as you have documentation. If I have dumped half a million $ of MY money into a company, I would want to know if I was hiring a slacker or someone that will cost me more than he makes for me. Making sure that there is nothing to report on you is called being responsible for your actions. That is something that most people here at AT aren't in favor of.

1. I'm not naive. I just don't work in the bullsh!t software industry. In my business, this issue doesn't come up because an employee better clean out his desk before giving notice as we will be cleaning it out for him after he gives notice and we'll ship his stuff to him in a box. Too much confidential customer information -- too much danger he could take that info to his next company.

2. You and I both know his (soon-to-be-ex-) boss is in the wrong. Considering that the reason he is dumping the extra work on him is because he can't fill the position, and that he underpays, I doubt he networks much or is very popular in the biz around town.

3. Quitting a lower-paying job to move to a higher-pay one does not make an employee a slacker. Being under productive under poor management does not make an employee a slacker. If you truly are a manager who does any hiring (as I have been more than once in my career, including owning my own company), I imagine you miss many diamonds-in-the-rough.
"Game, I know you just (as a courtesy to our company) gave your 2 weeks notice yesterday, but I won't be able to find a replacement for you and so I need you to complete the next 6 months of projects before you go. Of course, we'll need you to stay late every single night and, as an exempt employee, we won't be paying you any overtime, and we still won't match that better paying job you're leaving for, but do it for the team, eh?" :roll:
Who's naive?

I wanna work where you manage!
Got any openings?

 

[GeekDrew]

I'm not the original poster... but I'm in a similar circumstance. I gave notice today... circumstances kind of increased to the point that I didn't really care about courtesy to the employer any more. I just gave them notice that Friday would be my last day. My boss and his boss (the district superintendent) were the two I was talking to... in a nutshell, the super said that it's tradition to give two weeks notice... so if I would change my notice of resignation to two weeks from now, he'd give me two weeks paid emergency leave. I took his offer. Today was my last day.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: troytime
I wanna work where you manage!
Got any openings?

I only manage straight commission employees, so I imagine that makes a big difference.

 

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: troytime
I wanna work where you manage!
Got any openings?

I only manage straight commission employees, so I imagine that makes a big difference.

I'm straight.

 

[KarenMarie]

Originally posted by: Phoenix86

Originally posted by: new2AMD

Originally posted by: Zysoclaplem

Originally posted by: new2AMD
If you put in 2 weeks then work 2 weeks. Otherwise just quit. Never burn a bridge.

Sounds like his boss is trying to burn a bridge.

well unfortunately his boss is the one other employers will speak to about him. it sux but you have to play the game. Im not saying go in early and leave later without compensation, just dont do less then you would normally.

Ive heard of a lot of places that basically say, you can go now when you put in 2 weeks to avoid this.

That's easy to avoid. When you are getting a ref. call you are only allowed to say a few things. Basically you can confirm how long they worked for you, and if they are on a re-hire status. If you say anything else, you may be liable for slander.

Having a friend place a recorded "test" call to see what the person says sure can keep them honest.

umm... not sure, but I think they are allowed to ask if the employeer would rehire the employee, if given the chance. At least that is what I was told when I was a general manager for a national chain.

I could ONLY answer with start date, termination date, start salart, last salary and only yes or no on whether I would rehire. That was in TN.

 

[Megatomic]

Originally posted by: nakedfrog
What's he gonna do? Fire ya?

That was my first thought. I did the same thing when I left my last job for my current job.

 

[MacBaine]

Originally posted by: EyeMWing

Originally posted by: Dopefiend

Originally posted by: EyeMWing

Originally posted by: troytime
the greatest part is, there is no one here to dump my work on
we've been trying to get another programmer for 4 years...

my replacement will spend the first 3 months learning the propietary languages that we use
it'll take a year before anyone can finish the projects i'm supposed to finish

he also wants me to document everything i do because he has no idea what i really do during the day

yeah, this is why i'm leaving

HAHA. Quick, delete all the comments from your source!

If he were sensible, he wouldn't have left any comments yet

Just like I don't.
*ahem*

I leave comments in the form of song lyrics in random, irrelevant places. All my naming conventions for variables and functions and crap are obscure and have nothing to do with what they actually are. Only my hand-drawn scratch paper diagrams use the REAL names and correlate them to the source names. From time to time, I'll go through, code an entire application, and then delete all the line breaks. Those hand drawn diagrams will be shredded as soon as the 6-month test period is done (shortly before I leave for better places)

Unfortunately my partner finds this childish and his portions of the code are done "properly" and at least partially documented. Even more unfortunately, he coded the entire main application, I only code the peripheral programs for data entry, postprocessing and making pretty graphs! He'll only be there 1 year after me, and there's NO WAY that he can wrap his mind around that stuff and teach his replacement at the same time.

In short, should anyone ever need to change the way this stuff works, may god save their souls. This is my form of payback for not getting financially compensated. Give me some money and I'll be semi-responsible.

You make your homework sound so dramatic.

 

[Phoenix86]

Originally posted by: KarenMarie

Originally posted by: Phoenix86

Originally posted by: new2AMD

Originally posted by: Zysoclaplem

Originally posted by: new2AMD
If you put in 2 weeks then work 2 weeks. Otherwise just quit. Never burn a bridge.

Sounds like his boss is trying to burn a bridge.

well unfortunately his boss is the one other employers will speak to about him. it sux but you have to play the game. Im not saying go in early and leave later without compensation, just dont do less then you would normally.

Ive heard of a lot of places that basically say, you can go now when you put in 2 weeks to avoid this.

That's easy to avoid. When you are getting a ref. call you are only allowed to say a few things. Basically you can confirm how long they worked for you, and if they are on a re-hire status. If you say anything else, you may be liable for slander.

Having a friend place a recorded "test" call to see what the person says sure can keep them honest.

umm... not sure, but I think they are allowed to ask if the employeer would rehire the employee, if given the chance. At least that is what I was told when I was a general manager for a national chain.

I could ONLY answer with start date, termination date, start salart, last salary and only yes or no on whether I would rehire. That was in TN.

That's correct, as I said (bolded comments). Anything else could be slander, and the company isn't on the line for that, the PERSON who made the comments is. I don't think anyone values their job enough to take personal liability for slander of an EX-employee. I have made ref. calls (recorded) for friends to see if their old managers would slander them. Never caught anyone though.

 

UPDATE:
After a couple dilbert moments i told him that leaving the project management to me would be in the companies best interest. He left me alone for the most part.

Today was my last day - guess what he did....
He fricken scheduled a meeting at 4pm (i leave at 4)

I could see him asking me to stop in before i leave....but to schedule a fricken meeting!?!?!?
i had all my stuff packed up and ready to go, i swung in at 3:50 and said "whatya want? i'm leavin at 4"

I ended up leaving at 4:45 anyways cuz i had to say my farewells (the company threw a party for me today)

I start the new job on monday...they may not be kosher with me posting at ATOT all day (considering the place used to be a banned word here and all)

for the record, i didn't slack off any more than usual over the last 2 weeks.

 

[neonerd]

where do you work now?

 

obese monetary holding device dot com

 

[neonerd]

Originally posted by: troytime
obese monetary holding device dot com

doesn't work