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So I may have killed my friend's kitten today...

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It was not your fault, because:

A. It was not your idea to bring the kitten to your house
B. You weren't supposed to be watching the kitten
C. It's tiny, you were intoxicated and you couldn't see it clearly
D. You broke your ankle

If anything, present her with a medicare bill.
 
Originally posted by: dug777
Originally posted by: HamburgerBoy
Originally posted by: dug777
This is a party at his house, with his friends...a reasonable degree of care would of call be expected of everyone there, and that would inculde taking extra special care when moving about given teh knowledge they all had that the kitten was there...
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Why should they? The cat isn't their property. If she doesn't want her property to be damaged, she shouldn't leave it in the middle of a ****** staircase.
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I don't think it's worth arguing with you HB 😉

That said, i'll try to reason with you. You are still liable for destroying or damaging things that are put in what you would consider to be a stupid place, if you had a reasonable knowledge that the object was there/might be there and you don't take reasonable care.

You can't just destroy things because you think they're in a daft place, i assume even your very basic knowledge of the law recognises that?
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if it were a Gameboy DS instead of a kitten he had stepped on, would you feel the same way?

fact is, it's HER KITTEN, her responsibility.
 
Originally posted by: PlatinumGold
Originally posted by: dug777
Originally posted by: HamburgerBoy
Originally posted by: dug777
This is a party at his house, with his friends...a reasonable degree of care would of call be expected of everyone there, and that would inculde taking extra special care when moving about given teh knowledge they all had that the kitten was there...
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Why should they? The cat isn't their property. If she doesn't want her property to be damaged, she shouldn't leave it in the middle of a ****** staircase.
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I don't think it's worth arguing with you HB 😉

That said, i'll try to reason with you. You are still liable for destroying or damaging things that are put in what you would consider to be a stupid place, if you had a reasonable knowledge that the object was there/might be there and you don't take reasonable care.

You can't just destroy things because you think they're in a daft place, i assume even your very basic knowledge of the law recognises that?
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if it were a Gameboy DS instead of a kitten he had stepped on, would you feel the same way?

fact is, it's HER KITTEN, her responsibility.
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If it was a child, how would you feel? 😛

I'm just stating what i understand, given the benefit of 5 years legal education. Given his permission and obvious knowledge of the cat's presence, he would be expected to take reasonable care in not treading on it, or to ensure that the animal was at no risk.

If you have a BBQ, and someone's kid drowns in your pool that doesn't have fence around it, you are liable, even if you told the parents to watch their kids... You may not like it, but that's the way the law has developed.

Knowing there was a kitten he had allowed to roam in his house, he failed to take sufficient (or even any, from his OP) care to watch out for it, and he killed it, which means it's death is his responsibility.

She's made a dreadful error of judgement bringing the cat there, but he accepted that, and permitted it.

 
Make her an excel sheet giving her vet costs and a new kitten, and then giving you carpet cleaning costs, and something for your sprained ankle, and call it even.
 
Originally posted by: ScottSwingleComputers
Make her an excel sheet giving her vet costs and a new kitten, and then giving you carpet cleaning costs, and something for your sprained ankle, and call it even.
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Sounds good to me.
 
Originally posted by: Dudewithoutapet
Originally posted by: ScottSwingleComputers
Make her an excel sheet giving her vet costs and a new kitten, and then giving you carpet cleaning costs, and something for your sprained ankle, and call it even.
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Sounds good to me.
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:roll:

He wouldn't have had a sprained ankle or a dirty carpet if he'd actually looked where he was going, oh yeah, and the kitten would be alive too 😉 So given the circumstances, the ankle and carpet are both his own fault 😉

Kittens aren't invisible. If you give someone permission to let their cat run around your house, you damn well look out for it.
 
Freak accident, nobody to blame. Split the bill half-half, problem solved. Geez, 7 pages and you still didn't figure this out.
 
Originally posted by: flawlssdistortn
Here's a question - say someone else stepped on the cat. Is the OP still responsible since it happened at his party?
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IT's still shared responsibility.
THE is not solely responsible, but shares with anyone involved.
He gave permission TWICE.
She Brought the thing in.
Other person steps,,, whats hard to discern about that.
I guess everyone is too concerned with AVOIDING their responsibilities.
 
Yea...she assumed the risk when..

a) she brought the kitty to the party
b) she let the young kitten loose at the party

Tell her to F off...and if she has a problem...let her take you to small claims
and countersue her bitch ass.
 
Originally posted by: petejk
Yea...she assumed the risk when..

a) she brought the kitty to the party
b) she let the young kitten loose at the party

Tell her to F off...and if she has a problem...let her take you to small claims
and countersue her bitch ass.
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yet another idiot who has no idea what he's talking about 😉

Did you read actually read any of the thread?
 
Originally posted by: xcript
It was her responsibility to look after the kitten.

Poor little guy. 🙁 I hope the negligent b!tch doesn't get another one.
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I agree. What if it was a child and not a cat?
 
Originally posted by: Night201
Originally posted by: xcript
It was her responsibility to look after the kitten.

Poor little guy. 🙁 I hope the negligent b!tch doesn't get another one.
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I agree. What if it was a child and not a cat?
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Shhh 😉

The big bad internet tough guys would say that the OP was blameless, and that he should be financially reconpensed for the dirty carpet, and sprained ankle..oh & the chick should also give him a bj 😉

Regardless of her uselessness as an owner:

1) The OP knew of, and gave permission for the cat to run around his house
2)He then failed to take any reasonable care and killed it

Whih emphatically equates to his liability...
 
was the OP blameless? no but should he pay for everything? HELL NO. the women should not have brought the kitten to the party and let it run free.


but he should pay part. maybe 50%
 
Originally posted by: eakers
It was an accident but she shouldn't have brought the cat over in the first place.
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It's easy to say someone shouldn't have done something after something goes wrong. It's not hard to find blame after the event. The fact that potential concerns for safety were not brought up before the incident demonstrates this well. So does the fact that bringing small pets to a friend's place is not an uncommon occurrence, yet you wouldn't place blame on the owner for doing so; only for the reason that nothing bad has happened. A fault cannot be a fault unless it can be considered an improper decision regardless of outcome; not only assumed to be one after it ends negatively. Yet a fault is only relative to the opposing view of others. If there is no opposition to a decision, there can be no fault for any event that may occur.

If he had brought up potential safety concerns before the incident, it would have been her liability, but the fact is nobody took consideration.

It's not his or her fault. It's a series of events that led up to an unfortunate and unforeseen outcome. If the OP chooses not to offer a fair amount of compensation (half the veterinary and animal cost, minus carpet cleaning costs), he's compromising a relationship on an unreasonable whim of finding fault. If that's what his decision will be, she should probably find herself a better friend.

As for the obscenities, her kitten just died in a rather unpleasant way, that can probably be overlooked. I find that women are rarely the first to be reasonable after such a tragic event, brain chemistry or something 🙂, so do the right thing before she realizes what that is.
 
Originally posted by: KarenMarie
Originally posted by: veggz
Originally posted by: KarenMarie
A kitten will die! 🙁

Screw the money. Isn't she upset about the poor kitten?
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Yes, she was rather attached to the thing, which I guess is why she is making such a big fuss over it. She hasn't left the vet's office since 2pm, and when I called her earlier this evening to see how she was doing she completely flipped out on me.
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Ya know... I gotta be one of the biggest animal lovers on the planet but I gotta say... your friend is a dope.

a party is no place for a kitten. Did she expect it to just sit in a corner like a stuffed animal or get tired and fall asleep like a small child? It is not a hard concept to grasp... people are big, kittens are small.

I hope she is talking most of the blame for this. Stupid thinking probably cost this innocent kitten its life.

But in any case... the right thing to do is to split the bills with her. It will be expensive, but it is the right thing to do.

and tell your friend that she should not get another pet until she is mature enough to understand the difference between a grown up party and a pet show and tell.
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QFT.
 
Originally posted by: masterxfob
i think dug needs to preach his BS elsewhere :beer:
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😉

I'll take the legal reality away with me shall i?

I can't understand why you get so pissy about it, it's not as if i'm lying to you, or preaching an agenda...
 
Holding a drunken person liable for a roaming animal...now wasn't that smart? If you want to retain the friendship you should pay at least half of it and sincerely apologize, but you don't have any legal obligation to do so. The owner should have taken responsibility as the "designated catsitter". I'm not trying to be an evil bastard. If she was a good friend then I would certainly be as nice as possible about it. Otherwise, the lack of responsibility is unforgivable, as are all the unneeded insults/profanity you received for it. If she doesn't respond to your calls now, then I would just wait a few months and see if she eventually feels sorry/stupid for what she did, both to the cat and to you. The fact it wasn't your intention does give you leeway in the legal system. Morally, I do think you should have advised her it was a bad idea to hold someone under the influence responsible for a living thing. But her stupidity is still her fault nonetheless.
 
Kitties are SO cute! 🙁

But I also agree with the above. A party is no place for a kitty, and if you do bring a kitty or have a kitty, you gotta keep it within your sight at least...

I would say split the bill. You allowed her to bring the kitty, so you should have been at least mindful of possibly kicking or stepping on the kitty once she let it loose. But then again she was the one who LET it loose...
 
Originally posted by: xtknight
Holding a drunken person liable for a roaming animal...now wasn't that smart? If you want to retain the friendship you should pay at least half of it and sincerely apologize, but you don't have any legal obligation to do so. The owner should have taken responsibility as the "designated catsitter". I'm not trying to be an evil bastard. If she was a good friend then I would certainly be as nice as possible about it. Otherwise, the lack of responsibility is unforgivable, as are all the unneeded insults/profanity you received for it. If she doesn't respond to your calls now, then I would just wait a few months and see if she eventually feels sorry/stupid for what she did, both to the cat and to you.
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Nowhere does it say he was drunk when he gave her permission to let her cat roam around his house, does it?

He *does* have a legal obligation, at least from where i'm standing (actually having somw knowledge of the law 😉), but one would hope they can sort it out amicably.

As for the insults, i'm sure you'd be entirely rational if you were a chick who's kitten had just been killed 😉
 
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