So I had a union grievance filed against me....

[Suspicious-Teach8788]

It's not just Blue Collar Jobs getting outsourced. I also don't understand why you think because you went to College you automatically think you are worth more than some guy that didn't. The vast Majority of those with White Collar Jobs end up just being overweight Paper Shuffling Middle Management who sits in a cubicle all day scared of losing their jobs as they get older to some snot nosed kid fresh out of College who's so desperate for work that they'll work for much less because they are up to their eyeballs in debt from School loans .

Maybe where you worked or have seen there's a stereotypical white collar middle management guy who sits in a cubicle all day long scared of losing their jobs....

I've held 2 jobs at engineering companies, and my bosses were terrific. Not only did they slave their butts off too, they were very competent and knowledgeable. No fresh-out-of-college kid could ever compare. Hell I'm only over a year out of college. While AND Blue collar jobs get outsourced, it's easier to outsource blue collar jobs first.

And bottom line, college says a lot okay? It's a STANDARD today. 20 - 30 years ago it was a dream to go to college. You could get away not going to college. Look at today's engineers. Not only do they have BS degrees, they all have graduate degrees. At my last job, the ENTIRE TEAM was mech engineers, EEs, bioengineers from UC schools like myself. They were anywhere from 3-5 years older than me and all of them were in graduate programs. Today, the BS degree is not even enough. People working in the financial sector have to go above and beyond and get certifications and then go into business school a few years down the road.

It's these people who won't get outsourced because they work their butt off to keep up with the industry flow. For those who keep thinking HS can cut it + some technical training, or a BS degree + slacker job = win, you are the same type they can replace in a flash either with cheaper labor or with overseas labor......

 

[Red Dawn]

Nope. We've been over this before. The UNION is the one who sets themselves up as a closed shop. They could file themselves as an open shop but due to their nature they want to force everyone into it. It is NOT the company that chooses it at all.

So what if the Union wants to be a closed shop, it's on the Employer whether they want to be a Union shop or not..period.

 

[SacrosanctFiend]

Nope. We've been over this before. The UNION is the one who sets themselves up as a closed shop. They could file themselves as an open shop but due to their nature they want to force everyone into it. It is NOT the company that chooses it at all.

Actually, the union security agreement, which would make an employer a UNION shop (closed shops are illegal under Taft-Hartley) is negotiated in the CBA.

 

[Red Dawn]

Look at today's engineers. Not only do they have BS degrees, they all have graduate degrees. At my last job, the ENTIRE TEAM was mech engineers, EEs, bioengineers from UC schools like myself. They were anywhere from 3-5 years older than me and all of them were in graduate programs. Today, the BS degree is not even enough. People working in the financial sector have to go above and beyond and get certifications and then go into business school a few years down the road

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I hope you get paid well, you worked your ass of to become an Engineer, you can do things most with a College Degree can't. Even I went to school to pursue a degree thinking it was my ticket to a better life only to find out it wasn't what I wanted to do.

You have to admit that you aren't the typical schmuck with a college degree. Engineers have always been a highly respected occupation though not usually hight on the guest list for parties

 

[Geekbabe]

All I know is that I've worked at places where I was treated poorly and that my current position offers me working conditions,wages and benefits that are more attractive than other area facilities, when you factor in things like my short commute to work those benefits are even more lucrative. I have nothing but good things to say about my employer and no complaint at all with my union.

I don't want to argue or be nasty with anyone, I'm happy and grateful to be employed at a living wage
and do my best to try to earn it. Have fun with the rest of the thread

 

[BoomerD]

AS I just stated - To join a church - a donation is not mandatory. Try that with your union...

So you want the benefits of union membership; higher wages, better benefits, paid holidays, sick leave, etc...but don't want to pay for it?

I thought you conservatives were against welfare?

 

[Zargon]

People get to deduct money they give to churches. I bet atheists would have issues with that also.

nothing stopping aetheists from forming NFP's that can receive tax deductible donations.

just another anti-religion crying point.....

 

[TecHNooB]

All I know is that I've worked at places where I was treated poorly and that my current position offers me working conditions,wages and benefits that are more attractive than other area facilities, when you factor in things like my short commute to work those benefits are even more lucrative. I have nothing but good things to say about my employer and no complaint at all with my union.

I don't want to argue or be nasty with anyone, I'm happy and grateful to be employed at a living wage
and do my best to try to earn it. Have fun with the rest of the thread

Our rage is towards lazy union workers. If lazy doesn't apply to you, then get out of the line of fire

 

[Geekbabe]

Our rage is towards lazy union workers. If lazy doesn't apply to you, then get out of the line of fire

LOL, to be truthful not having to worry about things like work schedule
nightmares and other such things is very freeing and really increases productivity. I work hard but my day usually flies by

 

[Red Dawn]

Our rage is towards lazy union workers. If lazy doesn't apply to you, then get out of the line of fire

A good percentage of the American workforce is lazy. In an earlier thread someone posted that 15% of Americans are dissatisfied with their jobs. Odds are most of them are lazy or they'd find a job that they liked. Then there's those who like their jobs because it's easy and they can screw and do things like post on forums like this one while they are at work.



----------------looks over at his 50,000+ post count

 

[CADsortaGUY]

So you want the benefits of union membership; higher wages, better benefits, paid holidays, sick leave, etc...but don't want to pay for it?

I thought you conservatives were against welfare?

Nowhere did I state that at all. I do acknowledge what the unions from way back when did for the state of employment in our country, but they have abused their position and have become what they once fought against.

In this current situation and what I was talking about was that giving the employee the MOST CHOICE is the best. Do you not agree that giving the employee the MOST CHOICE is the best?