So I had a union grievance filed against me....

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bignateyk

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... for moving a box from storage to my office.

My response was that if I needed the box 3 weeks from now I would have called and asked someone to get it for me. (which involves filing a work order)
 
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Vette73

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Problem is if you broke something or got hurt they would have blamed them.

Just like here we are not supposed to move monitors or anything else like that. Even though it takes me less time to move it them to write the request, let alone wait.
 
amdhunter

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I miss my Union. They did shit for us that made us rich. Now that I am a non-union worker though -- they can all fuck themselves.
 
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You scabbed a union member's job.

I had a similar incident when I was a non-union subcontractor in a union shop. The union guys refused to do a job and after a week, I had my crew do it while they were on break. They walked out and filed a grievance and I got my ass chewed.
 
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Ausm

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I love my Union without it we would get fucked over by management like all other nonunion shops.
 
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bignateyk

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Rastus said:
You scabbed a union member's job.

I had a similar incident when I was a non-union subcontractor in a union shop. The union guys refused to do a job and after a week, I had my crew do it while they were on break. They walked out and filed a grievance and I got my ass chewed.
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That's what pisses me off so much. If the lazy bastards would actually DO the job in a timely fashion I wouldn't have a problem calling them.

Last year I put in a request to run some cable 15 feet through the ceiling and it took them over 2 months to get around to doing it. I could have done it myself in 30 minutes. When they actually got around to doing it, it took them half the day, and they took "breaks" every half hour.
 
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PokerGuy

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That's pretty much typical of how this stuff goes, another example of how unions just reduce productivity and increase expenses with no real upside.
 
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bignateyk said:
That's what pisses me off so much. If the lazy bastards would actually DO the job in a timely fashion I wouldn't have a problem calling them.
When they actually got around to doing it, it took them half the day, and they took "breaks" every half hour.
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KMFJD

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It would be hard to work in an enviroment like that...can't move some boxes without getting bitched at ? I thought we have all graduated from grade school by now...
 
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bignateyk

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SirStev0

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bignateyk said:
haha :thumbsup:

I want to print that out and hang it on one of their office doors.
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Are you talking about the OPP? I didn't think they were truly a union shop just PSU watching their asses. When I worked at the Nat we had to call them for even the most minor thing because if it wasn't in our job description we were strictly forbidden to do it.

This isn't an issue of maintaining job security, it is the huge university watching it's ass. I am sure the OPP had enough on its plate tht it would have loved for you to carry your own box.

The real question you need to ask yourself is who turned you in?
 
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bignateyk

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SirStev0 said:
Are you talking about the OPP? I didn't think they were truly a union shop just PSU watching their asses. When I worked at the Nat we had to call them for even the most minor thing because if it wasn't in our job description we were strictly forbidden to do it.

This isn't an issue of maintaining job security, it is the huge university watching it's ass. I am sure the OPP had enough on its plate tht it would have loved for you to carry your own box.

The real question you need to ask yourself is who turned you in?
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They are a real union: http://apps.opp.psu.edu/about/divisions/afs/ohr/union_contract.pdf

As for who turned me in, i'm sure there were plenty of union employees who could have seen me taking the box from one side of the building to the other.
 
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PokerGuy said:
That's pretty much typical of how this stuff goes, another example of how unions just reduce productivity and increase expenses with no real upside.
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This. I'm in a state union right now actually, my first job, and its a fucking joke. All they do is whine that they are getting screwed all the time as if they don't realize we have it better than most. Then at the meetings they urge us to get involved more and donate more so we can influence the politicians. Half of these people would have been fired long ago if they worked the way they did for a normal employer.
 
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Unions - heh.

My old roommate worked on a TV show ("I'll Fly Away") and they had unions for almost everything, even though GA is a non-union state for the most part. They had union drivers to do various odd driving jobs (go pick up props, move stuff between sets, etc.) but they wouldn't do ANYTHING but drive. They made $800 per day, and some days their services were not needed so they literally did nothing but drink coffee and shoot the shit.
 
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soulcougher73

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Gotta love unions. My brother is one and talks it up and how wonderful it is. Then 10 mins later he will bitch about some lazy union guy lol. Hypocrit at his finest.
 
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Unions protect the weak, sometimes for the better, sometimes not.

When the union is looking out for the 'little guy' who has little or no power in bargaining against an employer who'd be totally cutthroat otherwise, it's a good thing.

When the union protects an obsolete job or a substandard worker, just for the sake of protecting it, and the company suffers for it, it's a terrible thing.

It used to be that a union card meant that you were a professional in your trade, experienced and well-qualified for the work you'd do, almost a guarantee of quality work. In many unions, that's gone away over the last 30 years, and they're just interested in collecting dues. It remains true in other unions, but with some unions being tainted, the reputation of high integrity unions is suffering through no fault of their own.
 
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Someone tell me what the point of organized labor is again? I would think that it would be "he who wants a paycheck will do the requested job." It's no wonder the US economy is going to the shitter.
 
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rivan said:
Unions protect the weak, sometimes for the better, sometimes not.

When the union is looking out for the 'little guy' who has little or no power in bargaining against an employer who'd be totally cutthroat otherwise, it's a good thing.

When the union protects an obsolete job or a substandard worker, just for the sake of protecting it, and the company suffers for it, it's a terrible thing.

It used to be that a union card meant that you were a professional in your trade, experienced and well-qualified for the work you'd do, almost a guarantee of quality work. In many unions, that's gone away over the last 30 years, and they're just interested in collecting dues. It remains true in other unions, but with some unions being tainted, the reputation of high integrity unions is suffering through no fault of their own.
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Wouldn't a company that wants to keep talent treat their workers correctly without the need for unions? Isn't that the idea or am I missing something or just naive.
 
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