So how widespread an isuse will this be in Nov?

[JD50]

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: JD50
I thought the Democrats were supposed to all about helping the poor, uneducated, working class? How do you think they feel about being constantly mocked by the party that is supposed to on their side?

Also, where are the videos of the poor, uneducated blacks making similar ignorant statements? I guess it's just more fun to pick on stupid ol whitey.

Actually they are in the video I linked with the Black people showing similar one sided views. You should actually watch it.

Wow, so he found 2 black people that agreed with is views, and then found some white people that disagreed with his views, in a thinly veiled attempt to portray WV as a state full of racist whities. You're really on to something here!

 

[JD50]

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: JD50

Originally posted by: Wheezer
I am pretty sure racism is not strictly a WV thing or a white thing.

How man blacks are voting against the white candidate because Obama is in the contest?

is that not also racism?

Funny that no one cares to ask that question isn't it?

They are not voting for Obama because Hilary is white though, and if Hilary would win they would vote for Hilary, not vote for McCain or Stay home as the exit polls show many of the WV white voters would do rather than vote for Obama.

Really? So you don't think that any of the black voters voting for Obama are voting for him because he is black?

 

[spittledip]

I think the key here is to nuke WV. Racism and inbreeding wiped out in one fell blow!

yeah I know too obvious

 

[Cuda1447]

Some whites are racist for refusing to vote for Obama on race. Many are ignorant and misinformed. Many blacks are also racist for voting for Obama strictly because of race.

 

[RichardE]

Originally posted by: JD50

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: JD50

Originally posted by: Wheezer
I am pretty sure racism is not strictly a WV thing or a white thing.

How man blacks are voting against the white candidate because Obama is in the contest?

is that not also racism?

Funny that no one cares to ask that question isn't it?

They are not voting for Obama because Hilary is white though, and if Hilary would win they would vote for Hilary, not vote for McCain or Stay home as the exit polls show many of the WV white voters would do rather than vote for Obama.

Really? So you don't think that any of the black voters voting for Obama are voting for him because he is black?

No I don't, but voting for someone because you don't like the other persons race or distrust the person based on there race is different. Or did you not know those were two different things?

 

[RichardE]

Originally posted by: JD50

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: JD50
I thought the Democrats were supposed to all about helping the poor, uneducated, working class? How do you think they feel about being constantly mocked by the party that is supposed to on their side?

Also, where are the videos of the poor, uneducated blacks making similar ignorant statements? I guess it's just more fun to pick on stupid ol whitey.

Actually they are in the video I linked with the Black people showing similar one sided views. You should actually watch it.

Wow, so he found 2 black people that agreed with is views, and then found some white people that disagreed with his views, in a thinly veiled attempt to portray WV as a state full of racist whities. You're really on to something here!

As I said in my op, the sampling was small, very small and they cherry picked people. I understand that. I think the exit polls show more than the video though.

 

[b0mbrman]

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: b0mbrman

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: b0mbrman

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: b0mbrman

Originally posted by: Wheezer
I am pretty sure racism is not strictly a WV thing or a white thing.

How man blacks are voting against the white candidate because Obama is in the contest?

is that not also racism?

Didn't I just say that there's no racism in WV?

Maybe you should read the thread before replying

0 racists? There were at least a few in that video, so your obviously misinformed.


The question still remains, will this be an issue come November with certain key states. (I personally don't care how much you like WV, or whether your offended of its reputation, the exit polls showed that more that 3/4 of Clinton supporters would vote McCain or not vote at all rather than vote for Obama, so why is this state so different than other working class white states we have come across? Why could this be an issue come November?)

No, I don't offended by your insult of WV. I offended that you think Hillary doesn't deserve her victory and that she doesn't deserve the nomination. SHE DOES

You know what's a similar state? North Dakota

It's just 1% African American (compared to West Virginia's 4%) and its median income is just $42,000 (compared to West Virginia's $38,000)

Why does she deserve the nomination? :laugh: I'm sorry, but she can't manage her finances, she underestimates her opponents and she is too tunnel visioned to see outside the box, great characteristics of a POTUS. Either way, I never said she didn't deserve her victory, the topic was whether this will affect Obama in November (since as much as you wish your pipe dream will come true, Obama will be the Dem candidate)

Four words: West Virginia, no racism

Four more words: Look at the scoreboard!

You are delusional.


Barack Obama
Pledged:
1,612
Superdelegates
292
Total:
1,904

Hillary Clinton
Pledged:
1,443
Superdelegates
274
Total:
1,717


I see the scoreboard


Anyway, did you have anything to contribute to the topic at hand besides trolling thinking were discrediting Hilaries victory?

Your "topic at hand" depends on the false premise of a large percentage of racist people leading to Hillary's victory.

 

[eits]

Originally posted by: b0mbrman

Originally posted by: M0RPH

Originally posted by: RichardE
Obviously the reponses have been cheery picked, but the fact they found so many in such a short amount of time atests to the fact there is a large percentage of people like this at least in the area they polled.

I didn't see any obvious racism in the responses here. On woman thought he was a muslim, that's religion not racism. It seems that you are so convinced that West Virginians are racist that you're going to imply this no matter what excuse they give for not voting Obama.

And even if these people had admitted to racism, how do you know how many people they asked to get the kind of responses they wanted? You claim they found so many in such a short amount of time. Do you really know anything about their sample size or are you just making assumptions?

Exactly.

OP: have you ever been to West Virginia? If you actually have, you'll find hard-working, blue-collar people and *ZERO* racists. Next time, visit a state or least find PROOF that there are any racists in West Virginia, because I know there aren't any

bullshit. i've been to wv a few times and there are SOOO many racists and trailor parks, it's ridiculous.

 

[JD50]

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: JD50

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: JD50

Originally posted by: Wheezer
I am pretty sure racism is not strictly a WV thing or a white thing.

How man blacks are voting against the white candidate because Obama is in the contest?

is that not also racism?

Funny that no one cares to ask that question isn't it?

They are not voting for Obama because Hilary is white though, and if Hilary would win they would vote for Hilary, not vote for McCain or Stay home as the exit polls show many of the WV white voters would do rather than vote for Obama.

Really? So you don't think that any of the black voters voting for Obama are voting for him because he is black?

No I don't, but voting for someone because you don't like the other persons race or distrust the person based on there race is different. Or did you not know those were two different things?

So if I vote for John McCain just because he is white would you call me racist?

 

[RichardE]

Originally posted by: JD50

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: JD50

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: JD50

Originally posted by: Wheezer
I am pretty sure racism is not strictly a WV thing or a white thing.

How man blacks are voting against the white candidate because Obama is in the contest?

is that not also racism?

Funny that no one cares to ask that question isn't it?

They are not voting for Obama because Hilary is white though, and if Hilary would win they would vote for Hilary, not vote for McCain or Stay home as the exit polls show many of the WV white voters would do rather than vote for Obama.

Really? So you don't think that any of the black voters voting for Obama are voting for him because he is black?

No I don't, but voting for someone because you don't like the other persons race or distrust the person based on there race is different. Or did you not know those were two different things?

So if I vote for John McCain just because he is white would you call me racist?

Of course not, If you were voting for John McCain because he white race was preferred over a black alternative you would be.

 

[BoomerD]

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: JD50

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: JD50

Originally posted by: Wheezer
I am pretty sure racism is not strictly a WV thing or a white thing.

How man blacks are voting against the white candidate because Obama is in the contest?

is that not also racism?

Funny that no one cares to ask that question isn't it?

They are not voting for Obama because Hilary is white though, and if Hilary would win they would vote for Hilary, not vote for McCain or Stay home as the exit polls show many of the WV white voters would do rather than vote for Obama.

Really? So you don't think that any of the black voters voting for Obama are voting for him because he is black?

No I don't, but voting for someone because you don't like the other persons race or distrust the person based on there race is different. Or did you not know those were two different things?

Not really different at all...
A Black person voting for Obama because he is black is NO different than a White person NOT voting for Obama because he is black...it's exactly the same.

 

[RichardE]

Originally posted by: BoomerD

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: JD50

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: JD50

Originally posted by: Wheezer
I am pretty sure racism is not strictly a WV thing or a white thing.

How man blacks are voting against the white candidate because Obama is in the contest?

is that not also racism?

Funny that no one cares to ask that question isn't it?

They are not voting for Obama because Hilary is white though, and if Hilary would win they would vote for Hilary, not vote for McCain or Stay home as the exit polls show many of the WV white voters would do rather than vote for Obama.

Really? So you don't think that any of the black voters voting for Obama are voting for him because he is black?

No I don't, but voting for someone because you don't like the other persons race or distrust the person based on there race is different. Or did you not know those were two different things?

Not really different at all...
A Black person voting for Obama because he is black is NO different than a White person NOT voting for Obama because he is black...it's exactly the same.

No it is not. If that were true you are saying Black History month is inherently racist because there is not (insert race) equilavent as well. To be racist you have to discriminate against someone based on there race. If you are voting for someone because of there race.


If Person A is white and votes for Candidate C because they are white

That is not racist

If Person A votes for Candidate C because Candidate B is black

That is racist

Person A choses not to vote because only Candidate B is an option and Candidate B is black.

That is racist as well

 

[JD50]

Originally posted by: RichardE

No it is not. If that were true you are saying Black History month is inherently racist because there is not (insert race) equilavent as well. To be racist you have to discriminate against someone based on there race. If you are voting for someone because of there race.


If Person A is white and votes for Candidate C because they are white

That is not racist

If Person A votes for Candidate C because Candidate B is black

That is racist

Person A choses not to vote because only Candidate B is an option and Candidate B is black.

That is racist as well

Ok, so how is that any different than if my company only hired white people? Not because we don't like black people, we just want our company to be made up of all white people.

Please explain how that is different than voting for a white candidate because I want a white President.

 

[RichardE]

Originally posted by: JD50

Originally posted by: RichardE

No it is not. If that were true you are saying Black History month is inherently racist because there is not (insert race) equilavent as well. To be racist you have to discriminate against someone based on there race. If you are voting for someone because of there race.


If Person A is white and votes for Candidate C because they are white

That is not racist

If Person A votes for Candidate C because Candidate B is black

That is racist

Person A choses not to vote because only Candidate B is an option and Candidate B is black.

That is racist as well

Ok, so how is that any different than if my company only hired white people? Not because we don't like black people, we just want our company to be made up of all white people.

Please explain how that is different than voting for a white candidate because I want a white President.

That would happen pretty frequently if not for laws in place. It is not racist though. If you only hired white people because of a distrust of black people (say you thought they were more prone to steal from the company) that would be racist.

 

[JD50]

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: JD50

Originally posted by: RichardE

No it is not. If that were true you are saying Black History month is inherently racist because there is not (insert race) equilavent as well. To be racist you have to discriminate against someone based on there race. If you are voting for someone because of there race.


If Person A is white and votes for Candidate C because they are white

That is not racist

If Person A votes for Candidate C because Candidate B is black

That is racist

Person A choses not to vote because only Candidate B is an option and Candidate B is black.

That is racist as well

Ok, so how is that any different than if my company only hired white people? Not because we don't like black people, we just want our company to be made up of all white people.

Please explain how that is different than voting for a white candidate because I want a white President.

That would happen pretty frequently if not for laws in place. It is not racist though. If you only hired white people because of a distrust of black people (say you thought they were more prone to steal from the company) that would be racist.

lol, wow, so you don't think that it's racist to ONLY hire white people. Well, I guess we're going to have to agree to disagree on this one.

 

[arkcom]

If Person A is white and votes for Candidate C because they are white

That is not racist

If Person A votes for Candidate C because Candidate B is black

That is racist

Person A choses not to vote because only Candidate B is an option and Candidate B is black.

That is racist as well

Way to bend the definition of racism to suit your needs.

rac·ism -Discrimination or prejudice based on race.

Basing any decision or belief solely on race, is racist. period.

 

[Cuda1447]

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: JD50

Originally posted by: RichardE

No it is not. If that were true you are saying Black History month is inherently racist because there is not (insert race) equilavent as well. To be racist you have to discriminate against someone based on there race. If you are voting for someone because of there race.


If Person A is white and votes for Candidate C because they are white

That is not racist

If Person A votes for Candidate C because Candidate B is black

That is racist

Person A choses not to vote because only Candidate B is an option and Candidate B is black.

That is racist as well

Ok, so how is that any different than if my company only hired white people? Not because we don't like black people, we just want our company to be made up of all white people.

Please explain how that is different than voting for a white candidate because I want a white President.

That would happen pretty frequently if not for laws in place. It is not racist though. If you only hired white people because of a distrust of black people (say you thought they were more prone to steal from the company) that would be racist.

Dude your head is so far up your ass its actually pretty hillarious. Voting for a president based on race is RACISM. Period.


If I vote for a white person because they are white, its being racist against any other races. If I vote for black because I like black better, thats racist as well.


Talking to you isn't going to accomplish anything though, as you are most certainly a racist and fucktard. Good riddance.

 

[sprok]

It's unarguably racist either way. However, if given the lack of choice, most blacks would have no qualms voting for a white candidate. Can this be said of WV? If somehow Hillary dropped out before that primary would the turnout be any different?

Preference vs antagonism, which is worse?

 

[mshan]

And as always, with Clinton, you have to read the fine print:

"Clinton said in her victory speech on Tuesday night that no Democrat has won the White House since 1916 without taking West Virginia. True. But they all could have won without it. The margins of victory in those races ranged from 23 to 515 electoral votes. West Virginia has five."

The Appalachian Voting Block is not White America: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05...ref=slogin&oref=slogin

 

[StageLeft]

In recent years the US is showing some of its true colors that had hidden (check its approach to terrorism, for example). Perhaps this election will be illuminating again.

 

[theeedude]

Race is not going to be an issue, but people "just not being comfortable with voting for Obama" will be. They are not racist, they just don't like Obama, that's all.

 

[b0mbrman]

Originally posted by: senseamp
Race is not going to be an issue, but people "just not being comfortable with voting for Obama" will be. They are not racist, they just don't like Obama, that's all.

Exactly. I think the last woman in this video says it best about how she can be against Obama and do it for many clearly-defined reasons other than race:

http://www.metacafe.com/watch/...cism_in_west_virginia/

Reporter: Will you get behind Obama if he does win the nomination?
Woman: No, I'll go Republican
Reporter: You'd go for McCain
Woman: Yup
Reporter: And why, what's the decision for you?
Woman: I just...I just don't agree...I'll just leave it at that...I just don't agree that he should be President

No racism there: She just doesn't agree that he should be President...and she'll just leave it at that.

That needs to be made into a campaign poster :thumbsup:

 

[jpeyton]

Originally posted by: b0mbrman
No racism there: She just doesn't agree that he should be President...and she'll just leave it at that.

That needs to be made into a campaign poster :thumbsup:

:laugh: :thumbsup:

That's almost as good as the woman who said "I've had enough of Hoo-sain!"

 

[b0mbrman]

Get yours now!

poster.jpg

 

[theeedude]

People are going to use all sorts of subjective reasons to vote for candidates, race is just one of them. The media is not really covering the issues enough for people to make an educated decision.