So how well do Honda and Acura's hold up to dumb ricers ?????????????????

[wicktron]

I agree with the "he's not riced-out" argument. So he sucks at driving, leave the dude alone, his car is borked, something that wouldn't be funny if it happened to any of us.

 

[Snapster]

Give him an auto, he has no idea how to drive stick.....second thoughts, don't give him a car. If he thinks downshifting from 5th to 4th is a good idea he's too dangerous to have on the road.

 

[Deuce24]

trick question. Honda and Acura = dumb ricers

 

[Thegonagle]

Originally posted by: Babbles
Oh, the power of VTEC

Actually, it's "oh the power of a shiny new Honda triple-cone synchronizer to enable the amazing 120 MPH shift from fifth to second."

It's not that the transmission is bad, it's that the transmission is that good! Accelerating the input shaft and clutch to somewhere around 14,000 RPM in the moment it takes to shift is pretty impressive. It's not the transmission's, nor Honda's, fault that the car happened to be driven by Shifty McMeathead.

 

[0roo0roo]

he knows how to take apart his engine, thats more then i can do😛

funny pic was the one with the not so amused female in the background🙂

 

[isekii]

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
he knows how to take apart his engine, thats more then i can do😛

funny pic was the one with the not so amused female in the background🙂

Taking it apart is the easy thing.. The hard part is putting it back together.

 

[Eli]

Originally posted by: Thegonagle

Originally posted by: Pacfanweb
Let me clear it up for you: Saying "the tires drive the engine" means this: Shift from 5th to 2nd, like the subject car did, and one of 2 things is going to happen(before engine failure, that is).

Either the tires will retain traction, and force the engine to rev to whatever RPM is required to go that speed in 2nd, OR, the engine resistance will be too much and the drive wheels will lock up and skid.
It will completely not matter if your foot is on the gas or not.

If you are at 7k rpm in 5th, and are going, say 125 mph, all you have to do is the math to find out what rpm it would take for the car to run 125 in 2nd. If you make that downshift, the speed of the car is going to dictate that either the tires are going to drive the engine to whatever that rpm is, or they are going to skid.
Hope that cleared it up.

That's easy!

That clearly expliains the two things that could/would occur before engine failure.

It's most probable that at that at that kind of speed in 2nd gear, a combination of those things will happen. I.e., the tires will skid a bit, but still maintain enough traction to significantly overspeed the engine.

In my mind possible that whether a foot was on or off the gas could matter a little, due to the difference between the restrictive effect of an open and closed throttle plate (and not the burning of additional fuel, since the fuel would obviously be cut off by the ECU during an overspeed event). I could be wrong. (Hmmm. Got me thinking, how does a Jake Brake work?)

Hmm, for some reason I'm having trouble visualizing this. It's backwards in my head, it seems like it would be the other way around.. because you're shifting from a very low ratio.. to a very tall one.

If you were nearing redline in 1st, and you shifted to fifth... wouldn't that try and overspeed your engine? Isn't that what compression braking is? If you did that, you would slow down very quickly, no? Because the gear ratio is low, your tires don't have to spin nearly as many times to turn the engine over once as they would in a higher gear.

Ok.. let me figure this out. Let's say your gear ratio is 5:1 in 1st, and 1:1 in 5th.

So you're going 100MPH in 5th.. for every engine RPM, your rear tires turn once.. And you shift it to first, 5:1.. and let off the gas.. hmm.. does the gear ratio then work backwards, 1:5? everytime your rear tires turn once, your engine will turn 5 times? Is that what I'm getting confused?

Ok, I think I get it now. When you do that, the tires become the "drive" and the engine becomes the "driven", correct? So the gear ratio is indeed reversed?

I have no idea why I had that mixed around in my head. Bizzare. 😛

 

[jlee]

If you were nearing redline in 1st, and you shifted to fifth... wouldn't that try and overspeed your engine? Isn't that what compression braking is? If you did that, you would slow down very quickly, no? Because the gear ratio is low, your tires don't have to spin nearly as many times to turn the engine over once as they would in a higher gear.

No..that would try and 'overspeed' your wheels -- that's how people can chirp their tires when shifting. You wouldn't slow down at all, but with such a low gear ratio at that low speed, your acceleration would be crap..lol

Ok, I think I get it now. When you do that, the tires become the "drive" and the engine becomes the "driven", correct? So the gear ratio is indeed reversed?

Pretty much.

 

[Turkish]

Originally posted by: isekii

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
he knows how to take apart his engine, thats more then i can do😛

funny pic was the one with the not so amused female in the background🙂

Taking it apart is the easy thing.. The hard part is putting it back together.

agreed.

 

[Demon-Xanth]

Ahh, the joys of having an engine with enough torque to just make the tires slow down fast until the car catches up 🙂

 

[Lithium381]

Originally posted by: Eli

Originally posted by: Thegonagle

Originally posted by: Pacfanweb
Let me clear it up for you: Saying "the tires drive the engine" means this: Shift from 5th to 2nd, like the subject car did, and one of 2 things is going to happen(before engine failure, that is).

Either the tires will retain traction, and force the engine to rev to whatever RPM is required to go that speed in 2nd, OR, the engine resistance will be too much and the drive wheels will lock up and skid.
It will completely not matter if your foot is on the gas or not.

If you are at 7k rpm in 5th, and are going, say 125 mph, all you have to do is the math to find out what rpm it would take for the car to run 125 in 2nd. If you make that downshift, the speed of the car is going to dictate that either the tires are going to drive the engine to whatever that rpm is, or they are going to skid.
Hope that cleared it up.

That's easy!

That clearly expliains the two things that could/would occur before engine failure.

It's most probable that at that at that kind of speed in 2nd gear, a combination of those things will happen. I.e., the tires will skid a bit, but still maintain enough traction to significantly overspeed the engine.

In my mind possible that whether a foot was on or off the gas could matter a little, due to the difference between the restrictive effect of an open and closed throttle plate (and not the burning of additional fuel, since the fuel would obviously be cut off by the ECU during an overspeed event). I could be wrong. (Hmmm. Got me thinking, how does a Jake Brake work?)

Hmm, for some reason I'm having trouble visualizing this. It's backwards in my head, it seems like it would be the other way around.. because you're shifting from a very low ratio.. to a very tall one.

If you were nearing redline in 1st, and you shifted to fifth... wouldn't that try and overspeed your engine? Isn't that what compression braking is? If you did that, you would slow down very quickly, no? Because the gear ratio is low, your tires don't have to spin nearly as many times to turn the engine over once as they would in a higher gear.

Ok.. let me figure this out. Let's say your gear ratio is 5:1 in 1st, and 1:1 in 5th.

So you're going 100MPH in 5th.. for every engine RPM, your rear tires turn once.. And you shift it to first, 5:1.. and let off the gas.. hmm.. does the gear ratio then work backwards, 1:5? everytime your rear tires turn once, your engine will turn 5 times? Is that what I'm getting confused?

Ok, I think I get it now. When you do that, the tires become the "drive" and the engine becomes the "driven", correct? So the gear ratio is indeed reversed?

I have no idea why I had that mixed around in my head. Bizzare. 😛

sounds like you figured it out 😀