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So, how much of your hard earned money was spent on supporting ILLEGALS?

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imported_Shivetya

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LA County Supervisor Michael D. Antonovich has announced that a new report shows illegal aliens and their families in Los Angeles County collected over $35 million in welfare and food stamp allocations in July.


THIRTY FIVE MILLION DOLLARS IN TWO MONTHS!


Just for Los Angeles! Now multiply that by all the major cities with large illegal immigrant populations, factor in all the smaller cities, and you might just understand the problem. They are here not only because we don't throw them out but because we give them money for simply being here.

Yet people want to persecute businesses while forgiving government largess (how nice, its okay for them to take your money by seizure and give it to illegals but some get upset when a private employer pays them to do work).



Oh, some people are fighting back

The phone calls started pouring in at Irving City Hall on Thursday morning. They were prompted by activists who implored a crowd of more than 1,000 people at a rally Wednesday night to call for an end to a program that turns over arrested illegal immigrants to Immigration and Customs Enforcement. But most callers weren't asking for an end to the program ? they were voicing their support.


but labor unions are fighting going after illegals, I guess unions are desperate for members
The AFL-CIO and local labor groups requested the hearing for a preliminary injunction to block enforcement of a new homeland security department rule aimed at getting employers to aid in removing illegal immigrants from the workforce.

 
Right on right on Shivetya, can I join you on the bash illegal immigrants bandwagon? But all the bashing is hungry and thirsty work. To celebrate my new found moral outrage, I shall go to McDicks to celebrate with chicken McNuggets made cheaper by illegal immigrants. Then I must race down to my nearest Walmart build by illegal Mexican laborers. A quick trip to the adjoining grocery store and I can fill my cart with food made artificially cheap by illegal immigrants. And then I can buy Chinese made goods made from the labor of those underpaid workers who can't sneak in.

I just love cheap labor performed by other people and expect top dollar from my labor. But when I am expected to pay a dime for any of the social costs, that is a total outrage.
As for those displaced American workers I will be similarly outraged when they grub up social services and expect them to immigrate to third world countries. All this just gets me hopping mad and when I get hopping mad I expend calories. Thanks to illegal immigration I can replace those lost calories cheap.

 
So multiply $35 million by every major metropolitan area with a large mexican population...

Why not break down the $35 million per illegal immigrant in LA and extend it to the rest of the mexican population? Oh wait, that wouldn't give you a large bloaty number that further bloats bloated math.
 
Immigrants (illegal) probably do not fill out tax returns. If they could legally, maybe they would be due a tax return, if they acutally paid taxes.

Instead of going after companies for hiring illegal immigrants, just investigate them for tax evasion.
 
Originally posted by: piasabird
Immigrants (illegal) probably do not fill out tax returns. If they could legally, maybe they would be due a tax return, if they acutally paid taxes.

Instead of going after companies for hiring illegal immigrants, just investigate them for tax evasion.
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No they do is claim a bunch of dependents that the gov never checks up on and file that with their fake SSN. So basically while they are on the rolls, they pay basically no tax because of their dependent credits.

My dad knew a guy that was 18 yo with 10 claimed dependents.
 
It's a good thing Shivetya is a native american or the thousand posts made on the topic would start to smell of hypocrisy.
 
Originally posted by: sirjonk
It's a good thing Shivetya is a native american or the thousand posts made on the topic would start to smell of hypocrisy.
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Yah, cause only native americans can be against illegal immigration and not by hypocrites :roll:
 
Originally posted by: sirjonk
It's a good thing Shivetya is a native american or the thousand posts made on the topic would start to smell of hypocrisy.
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Doesn't it sound dumb to be Pro-Illegal Immigration?
 
Well, if you think a law is unjust, then there's nothing wrong with being Pro-'insert illegal action here'. I'm much that way with most "victim-less crimes". Illegal immigration is not a victimless crime (it's basically income tax evasion). And besides, there are ways to become legal.
 
Originally posted by: Lemon law
Right on right on Shivetya, can I join you on the bash illegal immigrants bandwagon? But all the bashing is hungry and thirsty work. To celebrate my new found moral outrage, I shall go to McDicks to celebrate with chicken McNuggets made cheaper by illegal immigrants. Then I must race down to my nearest Walmart build by illegal Mexican laborers. A quick trip to the adjoining grocery store and I can fill my cart with food made artificially cheap by illegal immigrants. And then I can buy Chinese made goods made from the labor of those underpaid workers who can't sneak in.
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The point is that those chicken nuggets and shiny new Walmarts are NOT as cheap as what they appear. Instead, much of the expense of the labor ends up as an externality that everyone else has to pay.

When you add up all of the costs of mass immigration, both legal and illegal, the net costs exceed the benefits. The costs come in the forms of having to pay higher taxes for welfare and education benefits for the children of poor immigrants, lower wages for native-born Americans, increased unemployment and underemployment for native-born Americans, increased traffic in urban areas, more crowded schools, increased crime, and the huge costs associated with population explosion, to name but a few.

I just love cheap labor performed by other people and expect top dollar from my labor. But when I am expected to pay a dime for any of the social costs, that is a total outrage.
As for those displaced American workers I will be similarly outraged when they grub up social services and expect them to immigrate to third world countries. All this just gets me hopping mad and when I get hopping mad I expend calories. Thanks to illegal immigration I can replace those lost calories cheap.
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At the end of the day, you can't get something for nothing. At issue is whether or not the illegals are costing us more than what we're getting. Also at issue is whether or not foreign outsourcing and foreign work visas are costing us more than what we're getting back in return. Perhaps the force of global labor arbitrage has transformed the nation into a third world country, Americans will finally understand this.
 
Originally posted by: piasabird
Immigrants (illegal) probably do not fill out tax returns. If they could legally, maybe they would be due a tax return, if they acutally paid taxes.

Instead of going after companies for hiring illegal immigrants, just investigate them for tax evasion.
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We need to go after the companies that hire them. Go after them hard. Get caught with an illegal working for you? $100,000 fine for each and every one of them.

I'm getting ready to start building a new house and in one of our meetings with the builder I told him I didn't want to see a single illegal working on the house. I told him for every Mexican on the job site I wanted to see their green card and I wanted them to speak English. I also told him I would be calling INS at least monthly while the house was being built so they could verify the worker's status if I had any suspicions.

He looked at me like I was crazy and said "you can't do that." I told him I could and would and that if he wanted my business he would agree to my rules or I would find a builder that would. He said it would cost me more to do it that way and I told him I didn't care how much more it costs, that is the way I want it.

However most people will sell their soul to save 15 cents on a pound of apples and not care who picked them.
 
We need people with a rational approach too. The gov here in NY wants illegals to get drivers licenses. What difference it would make I don't know, but to get one they must have a valid passport and several other pieces of documentation to establish identity. Everything goes to some place which will spend 6 weeks researching the validity of the documentation. Now while I think it's a bad idea, the counter to it? "The Governor wants to allow terrorists in NY!!"

WTF? Shiner's ditch diggers are going to blow up the Empire State Building? Get a grip. They've beaten the terrorist horse to death. If the Reps can't come up with a more rational reason to oppose the plan, it's going to lose. Damn idiots.
 
Originally posted by: Hayabusa Rider
We need people with a rational approach too. The gov here in NY wants illegals to get drivers licenses. What difference it would make I don't know, but to get one they must have a valid passport and several other pieces of documentation to establish identity. Everything goes to some place which will spend 6 weeks researching the validity of the documentation. Now while I think it's a bad idea, the counter to it? "The Governor wants to allow terrorists in NY!!"

WTF? Shiner's ditch diggers are going to blow up the Empire State Building? Get a grip. They've beaten the terrorist horse to death. If the Reps can't come up with a more rational reason to oppose the plan, it's going to lose. Damn idiots.
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9/11
 
Seriously though....you can say 9/11 to support just about anything and the brain dead sheep will fall in line. Goes for both sides of the aisle to....not just the crazy ass Jesus freaks. There are 3 or 4 people where I work that are constantly bring up 9/11 in any discussion/argument you try to have with them. It is like talking to a drunk retarded monkey that is strung out on meth.

The Family Guy episode where Lois runs for mayor was dead on.

Disgusts me. We just don't think anymore. Which is why every day when I go to lunch I look up in the sky hoping the giant asteroid is within sight.
 
Originally posted by: shinerburke
Originally posted by: Hayabusa Rider
We need people with a rational approach too. The gov here in NY wants illegals to get drivers licenses. What difference it would make I don't know, but to get one they must have a valid passport and several other pieces of documentation to establish identity. Everything goes to some place which will spend 6 weeks researching the validity of the documentation. Now while I think it's a bad idea, the counter to it? "The Governor wants to allow terrorists in NY!!"

WTF? Shiner's ditch diggers are going to blow up the Empire State Building? Get a grip. They've beaten the terrorist horse to death. If the Reps can't come up with a more rational reason to oppose the plan, it's going to lose. Damn idiots.
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9/11
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To paraphrase a song:

Nicotine, Valium, Vicodin, marijuana, terrorism, 9/11

 
Originally posted by: Hayabusa Rider
We need people with a rational approach too. The gov here in NY wants illegals to get drivers licenses. What difference it would make I don't know, but to get one they must have a valid passport and several other pieces of documentation to establish identity. Everything goes to some place which will spend 6 weeks researching the validity of the documentation. Now while I think it's a bad idea, the counter to it? "The Governor wants to allow terrorists in NY!!"

WTF? Shiner's ditch diggers are going to blow up the Empire State Building? Get a grip. They've beaten the terrorist horse to death. If the Reps can't come up with a more rational reason to oppose the plan, it's going to lose. Damn idiots.
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So in other words just more political pandering for votes since very few if any would be able to get licenses if the requirements are that strict.
 
Why do people insist on feigning care about illegals? We could easily solve the problem by creating stiff fines and penalties for businesses. The government makes wayyy too much money to do such. Therefore, unless you lobby the government to change, DO NOT COMPLAIN.

Besides, the towns that have enacted laws against illegals have suffered tremendously economically.
 
Originally posted by: sirjonk
It's a good thing Shivetya is a native american or the thousand posts made on the topic would start to smell of hypocrisy.
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You telling us America is not our land? You might recall what we did to the previous group and/or persons to say this. It shall happen again at the rate America is heading.
 
Originally posted by: shadow9d9
Why do people insist on feigning care about illegals? We could easily solve the problem by creating stiff fines and penalties for businesses. The government makes wayyy too much money to do such. Therefore, unless you lobby the government to change, DO NOT COMPLAIN.

Besides, the towns that have enacted laws against illegals have suffered tremendously economically.
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Not true. Oklahoma passed a new law, that doesn't even go into effect until November 1, that helps crack down on illegals. Supposedly the toughest in the country. Estimates are that 25k+ illegals have already left the Tulsa area alone due to fear of the law. Not hurting our economy at all. Just forcing construction and agricultural companies to pay a bit more for their labor. So the price of me lettuce goes up 10 cents a head. I'll gladly pay that an more if it means getting the illegals the hell out of here.
 

Got nutting to do with bashing illegals. Got to do with misuse of public funds.

The rest of your comments makes no sense at all. You are an illegal, living off my tax dollars, I take it?

Originally posted by: Lemon law
Right on right on Shivetya, can I join you on the bash illegal immigrants bandwagon? But all the bashing is hungry and thirsty work. To celebrate my new found moral outrage, I shall go to McDicks to celebrate with chicken McNuggets made cheaper by illegal immigrants. Then I must race down to my nearest Walmart build by illegal Mexican laborers. A quick trip to the adjoining grocery store and I can fill my cart with food made artificially cheap by illegal immigrants. And then I can buy Chinese made goods made from the labor of those underpaid workers who can't sneak in.

I just love cheap labor performed by other people and expect top dollar from my labor. But when I am expected to pay a dime for any of the social costs, that is a total outrage.
As for those displaced American workers I will be similarly outraged when they grub up social services and expect them to immigrate to third world countries. All this just gets me hopping mad and when I get hopping mad I expend calories. Thanks to illegal immigration I can replace those lost calories cheap.
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