so, how many of you have considered suicide?

[StageLeft]

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Well you're wrong - your thoughts and mind are caused by chemical reactions in your head. Synapses and neuro connections and all that. Many forms of depression are caused by a problem in this area; drugs simply fix it. The mind is not an abstract thing just hanging around you.

Agreed. Though is not love the same thing? Nothing more than chemical and electrical interactions in one's brain? Surely it is, but I'm sure you hold love in a higher regard than say.. one's ability for solving a mathematics problem even though each are basically the same physical type of action. How about if they devised a pill that would make you fall in love, or out of it. Would you be completely willing to take it just because it's easier that way?


your mind is part of your body, and one of the most important parts at that. it is like saying you will get your car detailed and the windows washed, but you refuse to fix the engine. people get brain tumors that make them go insane. should these tumors not be removed?

If they wish them to be removed of course, if not, well obviously not. Is it not one's choice really? Can you really say that their choice, or my choice, is wrong? >>

Hehe there are drugs that make you fall in love. it's called beer You're opening a can of moral issues and all that with your question though. I basically see it this way simply:

1) You feel depressed
2) Unless this depression is caused from repairable environmental issues it is caused by a chemical imbalance
3) This imbalance can be cleared up by drugs.

I know of people who've been on anti-depressants and both my parents are shrinks and have had a lot of patients get a lot better by going on them. Psychotherapy is generally the first step but unless you can honestly say you'd rather have this depression as part of your life than not you might benefit a lot from some simple drugs. Depression can be so damn crippling and it's a shame that people go through it when there are drugs that can often (not always) help them.

 

[TheVrolok]

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Well you're wrong - your thoughts and mind are caused by chemical reactions in your head. Synapses and neuro connections and all that. Many forms of depression are caused by a problem in this area; drugs simply fix it. The mind is not an abstract thing just hanging around you.

Agreed. Though is not love the same thing? Nothing more than chemical and electrical interactions in one's brain? Surely it is, but I'm sure you hold love in a higher regard than say.. one's ability for solving a mathematics problem even though each are basically the same physical type of action. How about if they devised a pill that would make you fall in love, or out of it. Would you be completely willing to take it just because it's easier that way? >>



well, being either in or out of love, is generally not considered a disorder

seems to me that you are reluctant to take the drugs because you think your mind is something special, like you have a soul or something that transcends the body. >>



Regardless of whether love is or is not a disorder, would you take the pill? What if I don't consider being manic depressive a disorder? What if I consider it part of who I am? I don't consider myself to have a soul or anything of the sort, I'm nothing more than a complex organism. In being that complex organism though I'm happy to be just what I am, and have no desire to alter it in a way that affects the way my mind works, the most important part of this complex organism.

<< but yes, i would say your choice is wrong. it's not my life, so i don't really care, but i still think it's wrong. not morally wrong, but just a bad decision. sorry. >>

No need to apologize, I couldn't care less whether you agree with me or dissent. That's the beauty of it, I can say that I merely think you're wrong in your decision about my decision But when it comes down to it, neither of us will change our opinions based on that of the other.

 

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<< Regardless of whether love is or is not a disorder, would you take the pill? What if I don't consider being manic depressive a disorder? What if I consider it part of who I am? I don't consider myself to have a soul or anything of the sort, I'm nothing more than a complex organism. In being that complex organism though I'm happy to be just what I am, and have no desire to alter it in a way that affects the way my mind works, the most important part of this complex organism. >>

If you actually do think you're better off because of it do you think this when you're depressed or when you're happy or both? I've gone through periods of it before and in a sick way I enjoy it at the time - well kind of. 90% of me hates it but 10% likes it in a self-destructive sort of way. Only when I'm through the phase do I realize 100% that it sucks and it sucks bad. Anything that makes you think of ending yourself is a disorder.

 

[gopunk]

Regardless of whether love is or is not a disorder, would you take the pill?

it would really depend on the circumstances. but there would be circumstances under which i would take it (aside from threat of physical harm, of course )

What if I don't consider being manic depressive a disorder? What if I consider it part of who I am?

being manic depressive IS a disorder... it can also be part of who you are, but that doesn't mean it's not a disorder. i don't mean to make you feel bad about yourself or something, but whether or not it is a disorder is not something that is subjective.

I don't consider myself to have a soul or anything of the sort, I'm nothing more than a complex organism. In being that complex organism though I'm happy to be just what I am, and have no desire to alter it in a way that affects the way my mind works, the most important part of this complex organism.

well, i guess if you're happy as is, there is no reason to change.

 

[TheVrolok]

<< I've gone through periods of it before and in a sick way I enjoy it at the time - well kind of. 90% of me hates it but 10% likes it in a self-destructive sort of way. >>

I do feel that way sometimes, even at the dregs of depression I sometimes enjoy it, or something about it for some reason. Though when I have my periods of "up-time" I can't believe how down I let myself get sometimes.

 

[jjones]

I've considered it quite often. I can't count the number of times when I wished some of the people I have met would just do the world a favor and off themselves.

 

[Nocturnal]

i honestly dont think you've felt what its like to be depressed. seriously, if you can say that you would leave it the way it is, i doubt you felt depression before.

im depressed, with obsessive compulsive disorder. i hate this disease with my life. i wish it would go away on its own, but i know it wont. i need to get on medication, and do therapy with a psychologist.

when you experience this type of depression, you'll understand why people go on medication.

 

[TheVrolok]

<< being manic depressive IS a disorder... it can also be part of who you are, but that doesn't mean it's not a disorder. i don't mean to make you feel bad about yourself or something, but whether or not it is a disorder is not something that is subjective. >>

No? Why isn't it subjective? Because a bunch of smart guys got together and deemed it a disorder? Because the majority says it is and the majority rules. Just because everyone says it, doesn't make it true.

 

[gopunk]

<< << being manic depressive IS a disorder... it can also be part of who you are, but that doesn't mean it's not a disorder. i don't mean to make you feel bad about yourself or something, but whether or not it is a disorder is not something that is subjective. >>

No? Why isn't it subjective? Because a bunch of smart guys got together and deemed it a disorder? Because the majority says it is and the majority rules. Just because everyone says it, doesn't make it true. >>



well certainly, there is an off chance that you are right, and the entire medical community is dead wrong, but i find this unlikely. have you done, or seen research to indicate it is not a disorder?

 

[Random Variable]

<< how often do you think of suicide? >>


only when I visit ATOT

 

[im2smrt4u]

Only once when I was I dumbass little kid. Now I'm just a little less of a dumbass! :Q

 

[Orsorum]

A few times, my sophomore year of high school... not to get preachy, but before I became a Christian, I was a very confused young man.

 

[TheVrolok]

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<< << being manic depressive IS a disorder... it can also be part of who you are, but that doesn't mean it's not a disorder. i don't mean to make you feel bad about yourself or something, but whether or not it is a disorder is not something that is subjective. >>

No? Why isn't it subjective? Because a bunch of smart guys got together and deemed it a disorder? Because the majority says it is and the majority rules. Just because everyone says it, doesn't make it true. >>



well certainly, there is an off chance that you are right, and the entire medical community is dead wrong, but i find this unlikely. have you done, or seen research to indicate it is not a disorder? >>



Oh no, I'm not setting out to say that I'm smarter than the medical community. I'm just saying that calling it a disorder in itself is subjective. If I don't view it as something 'wrong' with me, then it really isn't a disorder is it? They call it disorder because it is not normal, and is often 'harmful' or something of that nature, in my case, I have yet to find it harmful and I don't care to view it as something necessarily wrong. This is why I don't view it as a disorder. As a side note, everyonce was convinced the world was flat once, the entire scientific community, and they were wrong. So I just can't completely agree with any majority just because they're the majority.

 

[Nefrodite]

rotten.com takes away any fantasy of suicide

 

[im2smrt4u]

<< rotten.com takes away any fantasy of suicide >>



Shotgun blast to the head = teh nastay! :Q

 

[eakers]

im one of those people who is either really happy or really sad, no inbetween.

its better now that ive come up with tactics to curve teh sad times and make myself feel better but when i was in my teens (grades 8-10 specifically) i was a mess. and i considered so many times during that time.

the things i do to make myself feel better when i feel depression coming on might seem so simple and retarded to you, but they make all the difference in teh world to me.
i even made it into a list and keep one in my wallet and one on my wall in my room.

its my happy thoughts i guess you could say.

*kat. <-- siiiiiiiiick.

 

[gopunk]

Oh no, I'm not setting out to say that I'm smarter than the medical community. I'm just saying that calling it a disorder in itself is subjective. If I don't view it as something 'wrong' with me, then it really isn't a disorder is it? They call it disorder because it is not normal, and is often 'harmful' or something of that nature, in my case, I have yet to find it harmful and I don't care to view it as something necessarily wrong. This is why I don't view it as a disorder.

no, it is not subjective. it really has nothing to do with what you view it as. disorder simply means that something inside of you is not functioning in a manner that could be reasonably expected from other humans.

As a side note, everyonce was convinced the world was flat once, the entire scientific community, and they were wrong. So I just can't completely agree with any majority just because they're the majority.

it's not a matter of majority. it's a matter of who knows more. doctors listen to me when i tell them how to do stuff on computers, just like i listen to doctors when they tell me what is wrong with me. people in this society choose a field to specialize in, and are recognized as someone who knows more about that topic than other people. if everybody questioned everybody else, if you had to prove every theorem before you used it... we probably wouldn't be where we are today.

 

[fatalbert]

never,

I thought about the idea once and decided that it would solve nothing.

so it isn't an option to be considered. labotomy on the other hand

 

[aphex]

I thought about it once back in middle school when i was depressed... I grown WAY past that though and now i love life..

 

[datalink7]

Never (but I really have).


I have considered what it would be like to commit suicide and end this painful existance. But, seeing how I don't believe in an afterlife, it would be
highly illogical to do away with the one life that I am given. This is why I will never commit suicide. Interestingly enough, it is probably my Atheistic
beliefs that have prevented me from doing away with myself. If I did have religious faith, there have been times in my life where I might have killed
myself in hope of a better existance in the beyond.

 

[TheVrolok]

<< Oh no, I'm not setting out to say that I'm smarter than the medical community. I'm just saying that calling it a disorder in itself is subjective. If I don't view it as something 'wrong' with me, then it really isn't a disorder is it? They call it disorder because it is not normal, and is often 'harmful' or something of that nature, in my case, I have yet to find it harmful and I don't care to view it as something necessarily wrong. This is why I don't view it as a disorder.

no, it is not subjective. it really has nothing to do with what you view it as. disorder simply means that something inside of you is not functioning in a manner that could be reasonably expected from other humans.

As a side note, everyonce was convinced the world was flat once, the entire scientific community, and they were wrong. So I just can't completely agree with any majority just because they're the majority.

it's not a matter of majority. it's a matter of who knows more. doctors listen to me when i tell them how to do stuff on computers, just like i listen to doctors when they tell me what is wrong with me. people in this society choose a field to specialize in, and are recognized as someone who knows more about that topic than other people. if everybody questioned everybody else, if you had to prove every theorem before you used it... we probably wouldn't be where we are today. >>



A disorder is basically defined as an ailment, and an ailment is basically defined as a disorder. A disorder is just a term meaning not normal, and normal is of course what is reasonable expect from the majority of other humans. Just because we've got a group of people saying there's something wrong with me because I get depressed does not mean there's anything wrong with it. I don't give a damn what the majority thinks is right or wrong, it's completely debatable. Also, I have to disagree with you on:

if everybody questioned everybody else, if you had to prove every theorem before you used it... we probably wouldn't be where we are today.

I think it's exactly the opposite, if everyone went along with whatever someone else there's no chance we'd be were we are today. It is because we question, it is because we doubt and ask for proof that we are were we are. After all what would life be like if everyone took Bill Gates, who was a respected man who knew more than most, when he said 640k was all we'd ever need.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

<< how many of you have considered suicide? >>

I have! but not mine

 

[Frosty3799]

<< Never.

I enjoy life, thank you. >>

 

[gopunk]

A disorder is basically defined as an ailment, and an ailment is basically defined as a disorder. A disorder is just a term meaning not normal, and normal is of course what is reasonable expect from the majority of other humans. Just because we've got a group of people saying there's something wrong with me because I get depressed does not mean there's anything wrong with it. I don't give a damn what the majority thinks is right or wrong, it's completely debatable.

we have a highly educated group of people who specialize in studying these cases, saying that manic depression is in fact, not normal. and we have you, who is basically saying that they're wrong, based on nothing other than the fact that you would rather not be classified as "abnormal". it's not debatable based on your hunch, it's debatable when you produce some evidence that shows the rest of the world is wrong.

Also, I have to disagree with you on:
if everybody questioned everybody else, if you had to prove every theorem before you used it... we probably wouldn't be where we are today.
I think it's exactly the opposite, if everyone went along with whatever someone else there's no chance we'd be were we are today. It is because we question, it is because we doubt and ask for proof that we are were we are. After all what would life be like if everyone took Bill Gates, who was a respected man who knew more than most, when he said 640k was all we'd ever need.

there's a difference between blindly following people, and realizing that you don't have to question everything. imagine your average tech support call. pretty bad. now imagine your average tech support call if the caller made the techie explain the concepts behind everything that they're told to do. we'd see a lot more suicide.

 

[linuxboy]

so, how many of you have considered suicide?

every day for what must be the past 7 or 8 years.

Cheers !