So...How do I peel out properly?

[exdeath]

Just thought I would note, that you know you car is bad ass when you can blow by someone with their foot to the floor and even WITH the wheels spinning in 3rd and 4th gear you are still pulling away from them.

There is nothing in the world like some asshat in some blinged out obnoxious looking and sounding ride trying to pass you illegally at a merge from the terminating lane instead of yielding, and you floor it and roast the tires the whole time you are flying past them and notice their window is down :evil:

No, I take it back, watching them eat humble pie as they go 10 under and stay half a mile behind you the rest of the way is even better.

 

[natto fire]

Originally posted by: zoiks
FWD cars looks stupid peeling out.

Yeah. Also, any car with an open differential looks retarded doing a "peg-leg" burnout.

 

[zerocool84]

I did a burnout once in my car which is FWD but have never done it again. My tires are too expensive to waste.

 

[exdeath]

Originally posted by: zerocool84
I did a burnout once in my car which is FWD but have never done it again. My tires are too expensive to waste.

It's always great fun when you need new tires anyway

 

[fbrdphreak]

Originally posted by: amdhunter

Originally posted by: zoiks
FWD cars looks stupid peeling out.

lol, you know. Now I know why some people hate FWD cars. My steering wheel goes nuts when I really gun it hard. It's annoying as hell. (I think it's called Torque Steer?)

My next car will definitely be either an AWD or RWD car.

:light:

Welcome to the Light Side my friend

 

[AMCRambler]

My Contour SVT wheel hops like a mother if I burn out. It's god awful. The whole dashboard shakes like it's about to fly off in your face and the car is making this slam slam slam noise which I assume is the tires jumping up and slapping against the pavement. Also the change tray in the dash proceeds to shoot any change in it out into my lap.
Needless to say I don't break the wheels loose any more.
Now spinning the wheels on wet pavement is a lot more fun. Or in a patch of sand. Then they just spin and aren't really catching on anything. But yes, burn outs in FWD cars are frickin lame.
The only thing lamer is a burn out with a four wheel drive truck. Saw a Jeep Cherokee do this once and it had to be the most ridiculous thing I ever saw. All four wheels spinning from a stop, the thing is shaking like it's having a seizure. I almost wet my pants laughing. The guys in the truck thinking they were bad ass for doing it just put the icing on that cake.

 

[exdeath]

Originally posted by: AMCRambler
My Contour SVT wheel hops like a mother if I burn out. It's god awful. The whole dashboard shakes like it's about to fly off in your face and the car is making this slam slam slam noise which I assume is the tires jumping up and slapping against the pavement.

I've always described wheel hop as the feeling you'd get if you were driving down a rail road track parallel to the rails.

 

[amdhunter]

Originally posted by: AMCRambler
My Contour SVT wheel hops like a mother if I burn out. It's god awful. The whole dashboard shakes like it's about to fly off in your face and the car is making this slam slam slam noise which I assume is the tires jumping up and slapping against the pavement. Also the change tray in the dash proceeds to shoot any change in it out into my lap.
Needless to say I don't break the wheels loose any more.
Now spinning the wheels on wet pavement is a lot more fun. Or in a patch of sand. Then they just spin and aren't really catching on anything. But yes, burn outs in FWD cars are frickin lame.
The only thing lamer is a burn out with a four wheel drive truck. Saw a Jeep Cherokee do this once and it had to be the most ridiculous thing I ever saw. All four wheels spinning from a stop, the thing is shaking like it's having a seizure. I almost wet my pants laughing. The guys in the truck thinking they were bad ass for doing it just put the icing on that cake.

Why is a FWD car burning out considered lame? Is it just a bias, or is there some technical reasoning behind it?

 

[natto fire]

Originally posted by: amdhunter
Why is a FWD car burning out considered lame? Is it just a bias, or is there some technical reasoning behind it?

I guess it technically can make just as much smoke as a RWD burnout and reverse donuts are pretty fun too. I think the problem is with wheel hop that normally occurs with a FWD powertrain and excessive torque. Because of weight distribution and weight shifting, a FWD setup can have excessive amounts of weight over the front tires. If the suspension is not set up properly to deal with this weight, and/or the suspension is not tuned properly for the power output of the engine, embarrassing wheel hop can occur.

I am not trying to say one powertrain is superior to the other, and have enjoyed many FWD cars. As far as physics go, however, a RWD powertrain is superior is nearly every aspect.

As for technical, if you have a RWD car and can make it continue to "peel out" after weight transfer (squatting) then you technically have a more powerful car than the equivalent FWD vehicle. Especially if your weight distribution is close to 50/50.

At the same time, front engine, RWD setups lose a bit o drivetrain efficiency from having to move the energy 90 degrees. Just look at how much more frictional loss you will get from a RWD differential when compared to a FWD final gear. Again, nothing big here, but it is something to keep in mind.

As nifty and cheap as a front wheel set up is, it is pretty much, with current technology, impossible to make it as advantageous as a RWD setup as far as tire loads, weight distribution, and driver feel.

 

[zerocool84]

Originally posted by: exdeath

Originally posted by: AMCRambler
My Contour SVT wheel hops like a mother if I burn out. It's god awful. The whole dashboard shakes like it's about to fly off in your face and the car is making this slam slam slam noise which I assume is the tires jumping up and slapping against the pavement.

I've always described wheel hop as the feeling you'd get if you were driving down a rail road track parallel to the rails.

You described it fairly well lol

 

[AMCRambler]

Originally posted by: amdhunter

Originally posted by: AMCRambler
My Contour SVT wheel hops like a mother if I burn out. It's god awful. The whole dashboard shakes like it's about to fly off in your face and the car is making this slam slam slam noise which I assume is the tires jumping up and slapping against the pavement. Also the change tray in the dash proceeds to shoot any change in it out into my lap.
Needless to say I don't break the wheels loose any more.
Now spinning the wheels on wet pavement is a lot more fun. Or in a patch of sand. Then they just spin and aren't really catching on anything. But yes, burn outs in FWD cars are frickin lame.
The only thing lamer is a burn out with a four wheel drive truck. Saw a Jeep Cherokee do this once and it had to be the most ridiculous thing I ever saw. All four wheels spinning from a stop, the thing is shaking like it's having a seizure. I almost wet my pants laughing. The guys in the truck thinking they were bad ass for doing it just put the icing on that cake.

Why is a FWD car burning out considered lame? Is it just a bias, or is there some technical reasoning behind it?

I'm not talking technical reasoning. I'm talking first hand experience, and judging from the responses to this thread, my experience is not much different from others. Unless you've got a front wheel drive car specifically set up to do burn outs with an extremely stiff suspension and slicks, you're going to knock all your fillings out. Untill you've experienced wheel hop doing a front wheel drive burnout, you're not going to know what I mean.
To me nothing looks cooler than a rear wheel drive car laying some rubber and kicking the rear end out. You just can't do it with a front wheel drive car.
So I guess yes, it's bias if you want to call it that. I would call it my opinion, but whatever. If wheel hop and feeling like your car is having a seizure is cool in your book though, hey who am I to argue?

 

[steveox]

It is possible for the FWD car to have enough power to actually continually break the wheels loose, rather than experience the wheel hop you are referring to. In that case it can be just as nice as an RWD burnout without the back end swinging out.

 

[Arkaign]

Originally posted by: steveox
It is possible for the FWD car to have enough power to actually continually break the wheels loose, rather than experience the wheel hop you are referring to. In that case it can be just as nice as an RWD burnout without the back end swinging out.

Yeah, seen a SC CL-S do that, pretty interesting. No wheel hop, just smoke and noise. Pretty quick car as well.

 

[bwatson283]

Power brake FTW.......when you finish get out and feel the rotors to see if it time to get new brakes/rotors/pads

 

[alkemyst]

On cars that are meant to peel out you shouldn't need a big clutch dump...in even my stock powered 240SX I can peel out with not to much RPMs.

With power approaching 12 lbs per hp and better you can usually get a ton of wheelspin just starting off by over accelerating and not dropping the clutch at all.

Get high enough in power and you can do it in 3rd at 75mph+

 

[jagec]

Originally posted by: amdhunter
Oops, I meant a burnout. I can "peel out by softly getting into first, then gunning it when I feel the clutch catch, and making sure that the traction control is off. I just want to try and stay on one spot and blow some smoke, lol.

Burnouts are a waste of time and tires, and the only reason to do them is if you actually have race slicks and need to get them warm. Or I suppose if you want to smoke some old tires that you hate...but sitting in one spot and roasting them isn't as fun as launching with a lot of wheelspin, and then powersliding corners until you're happy.

Originally posted by: steveox
It is possible for the FWD car to have enough power to actually continually break the wheels loose, rather than experience the wheel hop you are referring to. In that case it can be just as nice as an RWD burnout without the back end swinging out.

Wheel hop isn't about a lack of power, it's about the energy balance between the shocks, the weight over the tires, and the tires themselves. I've gotten wheel hop in my RWD MR2. More power usually goes along with a stiffer suspension and lower profile tires, which means the wheels are less "bouncy". That's why more powerful cars seem to have less trouble with it.

IMHO burnouts only look decent if they are quickly followed by the car taking off like a bat out of hell, and it looks MUCH better when the car's not WWD.