So...How do I peel out properly?

amdhunter

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I thought that you just rev to high rpms, and then let the clutch go, but after reading a bit, I think I am supposed to do something with the brakes? I've almost hit 1000 miles on my car and haven't peeled out once yet.

It's not something I want to do habitually, and I think it's a retarded thing to do to your tires, but I think it would be fun to peel out once in a while.

I searched around and really couldn't find a proper guide, and I don't want to do what this guy did. [What did he do wrong anyway? Wouldn't common sense tell you to let off the clutch fully?]

So who has some tips? :D
 

mooseracing

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Hold the clutch in, Rev till your rpm needle is in the red, or your valves start to float, then drop the clutch. Make sure you are in first of course.



Let me know how it comes out. :D







Just incase you don't want to break too many parts, learn how to do it at lowest rpm.

 

ggnl

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General Disclaimer: This is bad for your car. It causes a lot of unnecessary tire and clutch wear, and can damage all kinds of suspension and drivetrain components if you experience wheel hop (which is very common on FWD cars).


With that said, you don't need the breaks. You might be referring to power breaking, but to power break your car needs to be RWD and automatic.

There's not much to it actually:

1. Rev the engine.
2. Start to engage the clutch. This is the tricky part. If you do it too quickly you'll bog down the engine before the wheels break traction, but if you do it too slowly you'll roast your clutch. Try praticing on wet streets or grass first.
3. Once the wheels break free, fully engage the clutch and stay on the throttle.

 

mooseracing

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Originally posted by: ggnl

With that said, you don't need the breaks. You might be referring to power breaking, but to power break your car needs to be RWD and automatic.

I think you might want brakes

Also power braking is very doable on a stick.

 

Demon-Xanth

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Are you trying to do a burnout or peeling out?

As far as brake torquing is concerned, that's an auto only deal. :)

Burnout:
http://mspencer.net/Demon-Xant...res/After/Damnwind.JPG
That's warms up, or in this case: wears out, the tires and generates alot of smoke. With the way my pedals are spaced, I hold the clutch down, give it some gas to get the RPMs up to about 2000., then jump my foot from the clutch to the brake while giving it more gas. Then I just let off the brake and gas to end it, or keep on the gas for some extra play time. :)
http://mspencer.net/Demon-Xanth/Tires/After/Waggin.JPG

Peeling out:
That's just launching and not having enough traction for the power. :)
In autos, it usually requires either very low traction, very high power, or brake torquing. With manuals, an abrupt clutch release or some higher revs will do it.

The key difference between the two is that in burning out the intent is NOT to create motion, while in peeling out that is the intention.
 

AdamK47

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I can't imagine doing clutch dumps on the Vette or GTO near redline. I'd be too worried about breaking something on the car or on myself. I've only really done one good burnout and that was with the GTO. Tons of noise, smoke, and crying children.
 

Pacfanweb

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You should never rev the engine up near the redline during a burnout, either. Very bad for the engine to be spun up that high with little to no load.
I splattered an engine doing a burnout once. Not pretty.
 

amdhunter

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Originally posted by: Demon-Xanth
Are you trying to do a burnout or peeling out?

As far as brake torquing is concerned, that's an auto only deal. :)

Burnout:
http://mspencer.net/Demon-Xant...res/After/Damnwind.JPG
That's warms up, or in this case: wears out, the tires and generates alot of smoke. With the way my pedals are spaced, I hold the clutch down, give it some gas to get the RPMs up to about 2000., then jump my foot from the clutch to the brake while giving it more gas. Then I just let off the brake and gas to end it, or keep on the gas for some extra play time. :)
http://mspencer.net/Demon-Xanth/Tires/After/Waggin.JPG

Peeling out:
That's just launching and not having enough traction for the power. :)
In autos, it usually requires either very low traction, very high power, or brake torquing. With manuals, an abrupt clutch release or some higher revs will do it.

The key difference between the two is that in burning out the intent is NOT to create motion, while in peeling out that is the intention.


Oops, I meant a burnout. I can "peel out by softly getting into first, then gunning it when I feel the clutch catch, and making sure that the traction control is off. I just want to try and stay on one spot and blow some smoke, lol.
 

amdhunter

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Originally posted by: Pacfanweb
You should never rev the engine up near the redline during a burnout, either. Very bad for the engine to be spun up that high with little to no load.
I splattered an engine doing a burnout once. Not pretty.

OK, so let's say I want to take off hard, like if I am trying to race someone in a straight line. I know I am not supposed to take off at redline, but what would be a safe RPM to go ahead and release the clutch.

For example, I know the turbo in my car is useless until it's in the 4kRPM range. Would it be bad to take off around 3500 RPMs and dropping the clutch to take off?

<-- total n00b. I am sure I can "feel" this all out on my own, but I don't want to do something dumb like that kid in the video I posted.
 

Demon-Xanth

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Originally posted by: amdhunter
Oops, I meant a burnout. I can "peel out by softly getting into first, then gunning it when I feel the clutch catch, and making sure that the traction control is off. I just want to try and stay on one spot and blow some smoke, lol.

If you can, the best way is to hold onto the brake with your heel and use the gas with your toe, but my brake pedal is too far back in relation to the gas, I can't reach effectively, thus need to do the two foot shuffle to make it work well.
 

DivideBYZero

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Just above peak torque should be good. Either way this is going to be harsh on the drivetrain, but we've all done it. ;)
 

exdeath

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Originally posted by: amdhunter
Originally posted by: Pacfanweb
You should never rev the engine up near the redline during a burnout, either. Very bad for the engine to be spun up that high with little to no load.
I splattered an engine doing a burnout once. Not pretty.

OK, so let's say I want to take off hard, like if I am trying to race someone in a straight line. I know I am not supposed to take off at redline, but what would be a safe RPM to go ahead and release the clutch.

For example, I know the turbo in my car is useless until it's in the 4kRPM range. Would it be bad to take off around 3500 RPMs and dropping the clutch to take off?

<-- total n00b. I am sure I can "feel" this all out on my own, but I don't want to do something dumb like that kid in the video I posted.

Uhm.. it's easy... just step on the gas. Burnouts and peel outs are intended to flex peens and demonstrate raw un-containable power. If you have the power that makes you worthy of burning out, you simply step on the gas and let the car overpower the wheels and thats all there is to it.

But if you have to dump the clutch from a stop or mess with the brake in order to coerce the car to chirp the tires, you will be embarrassing yourself by acting like a ricer and defeating the whole purpose of performing any kind of wheel spin, as you will be demonstrating LACK of power that necessitates those tactics; the exact opposite of what is intended when smoking the tires (on the street on a normal car anyway).

It shouldn't be that hard. Most V6 economy cars with 200+ HP have enough low end torque to squeal the tires across the intersection if you put it through the floor boards (provided electronic torque steer and traction control aids do not intervene).

BTW wheel spin launching on a race may sound cool and put on a show, but it is undesirable in a race and will cause you to lose, even to a slower car.

What you need for a boosted car is a 2 step rev limiter. When activated in staging mode, you can hold you're foot to the floor and the engine will hold at the designated RPM (say 4500 RPM in your case to keep you in boost when the RPMs bog slightly as you launch). After you launch it will automatically go into the second stage, which is your normal red line rev limiter. Hence two stage. You can also get a 3 stage limiter that has a lower RPM rev limit for the burnout, a mid level rev limit for staging, and a upper red limit limiter that protects the engine. Most newer cars only have the last one from the factory in the form of timing retard or staggered fuel cut and intentional misfires.

If you have an automatic you need a stall torque converter that lets the engine freewheel at a certain RPM before engaging (again, ideally a few RPMs into your boost threshold) when you floor it with your foot on the brake.

If you're having trouble spinning and still want to do it, and don't care what anyone around thinks, you can just do what ricers do and do it in patches of dirt or after it rains ;)

Shorter gearing also helps. Most average cars, esp. FWD 4 cyl sedans, have really tall gears for freeway cruising and fuel economy, and combined with the lack of low RPM torque in a 4 cyl, makes it almost impossible. Ever take off on a 21 spd mountain bike in the highest gear up hill? Thats what the engine feels like.
 

amdhunter

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Originally posted by: exdeath
Originally posted by: amdhunter
Originally posted by: Pacfanweb
You should never rev the engine up near the redline during a burnout, either. Very bad for the engine to be spun up that high with little to no load.
I splattered an engine doing a burnout once. Not pretty.

OK, so let's say I want to take off hard, like if I am trying to race someone in a straight line. I know I am not supposed to take off at redline, but what would be a safe RPM to go ahead and release the clutch.

For example, I know the turbo in my car is useless until it's in the 4kRPM range. Would it be bad to take off around 3500 RPMs and dropping the clutch to take off?

<-- total n00b. I am sure I can "feel" this all out on my own, but I don't want to do something dumb like that kid in the video I posted.

Uhm.. it's easy... just step on the gas. Burnouts and peel outs are intended to flex peens and demonstrate raw un-containable power. If you have the power that makes you worthy of burning out, you simply step on the gas and let the car overpower the wheels and thats all there is to it.

But if you have to dump the clutch from a stop or mess with the brake in order to coerce the car to chirp the tires, you will be embarrassing yourself by acting like a ricer and defeating the whole purpose of performing any kind of wheel spin, as you will be demonstrating LACK of power that necessitates those tactics; the exact opposite of what is intended when smoking the tires (on the street on a normal car anyway).

It shouldn't be that hard. Most V6 economy cars with 200+ HP have enough low end torque to squeal the tires across the intersection if you put it through the floor boards (provided electronic torque steer and traction control aids do not intervene).

BTW wheel spin launching on a race may sound cool and put on a show, but it is undesirable in a race and will cause you to lose, even to a slower car.

What you need for a boosted car is a 2 step rev limiter. When activated in staging mode, you can hold you're foot to the floor and the engine will hold at the designated RPM (say 4500 RPM in your case to keep you in boost when the RPMs bog slightly as you launch). After you launch it will automatically go into the second stage, which is your normal red line rev limiter. Hence two stage. You can also get a 3 stage limiter that has a lower RPM rev limit for the burnout, a mid level rev limit for staging, and a upper red limit limiter that protects the engine. Most newer cars only have the last one from the factory in the form of timing retard or staggered fuel cut and intentional misfires.

If you have an automatic you need a stall torque converter that lets the engine freewheel at a certain RPM before engaging (again, ideally a few RPMs into your boost threshold) when you floor it with your foot on the brake.

If you're having trouble spinning and still want to do it, and don't care what anyone around thinks, you can just do what ricers do and do it in patches of dirt or after it rains ;)

Shorter gearing also helps. Most average cars, esp. FWD 4 cyl sedans, have really tall gears for freeway cruising and fuel economy, and combined with the lack of low RPM torque in a 4 cyl, makes it almost impossible. Ever take off on a 21 spd mountain bike in the highest gear up hill? Thats what the engine feels like.

LOLOLOL, I used to burn out all the time in my old Galant just after it rained. :)

I have no problems spinning my wheel without dropping the clutch. I just wanted to know how I can just sit in one spot and not move a single inch forward like some people do. I am going to go show off the car this weekend amongst some friends, and wanted to videotape it. I don't want to look like a complete n00b, lol.
 

fbrdphreak

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Originally posted by: AdamK47
I can't imagine doing clutch dumps on the Vette or GTO near redline. I'd be too worried about breaking something on the car or on myself. I've only really done one good burnout and that was with the GTO. Tons of noise, smoke, and crying children.
Things would definitely break, esp if you had sticky tires on.

OP: FWD + burnout = no. Just don't bother - seriously.

EDIT: You would look stupider than this guy. Scroll to about 1:40 for the burnout part
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_D7aMYSM44
 

Demon-Xanth

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Originally posted by: exdeath
BTW wheel spin launching on a race may sound cool and put on a show, but it is undesirable in a race and will cause you to lose, even to a slower car.

QFT.

A little spin is good, high end racers (ie: top fuel and pro stock) want 5% slip. But if you're doing a smoke show at the line, you're doing it wrong.

I'm about 1/3rd of a second faster launching at 1200 RPM vs. 2000. (idle gives a bit of bog) If I ever launched at redline with my current setup (mostly stock) I'd probably be kicked off the track for being a god damned idiot. I don't even do burnouts at the track, wouldn't get me anything. Non-4WD trucks suck at hooking up unless modified for the sole purpose of doing that, at which point they're no longer trucks.

burnouts w/ street tires=fun and show (or in the case of the pictures I posted, I really hated the tires)
burnouts w/ slicks=make them stick
 

Demo24

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pull the e-brake really tight, and then dump the clutch. should get your wheels spinning nicely, along with likely breaking something...but its all part of the game :)

if you want extra cool factor, have your friends hold onto your car as you attempt to burn out.
 

melchoir

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If you have the power that makes you worthy of burning out, you simply step on the gas and let the car overpower the wheels and thats all there is to it.

I stomped my gas petal from a dig and left 150 feet of rubber on the street while wearing some Mickey Thompson Drag Radials before letting off. Does this count?

I was actually very disappointed that they didn't hook. I daily drive 315/35/17 Nitto Drag Radials and while they won't hook from a dig either, I was told the 255/50/16 MT DRs would due to slightly larger sidewall, and much softer compound.

I'll be altering suspension and perhaps going for some 275/15 MT DRs in the future.

Burning tires is just for show, and not go. So if you think it makes you faster, like someone else in this post said, it really doesn't.
 

amdhunter

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Originally posted by: zoiks
FWD cars looks stupid peeling out.

lol, you know. Now I know why some people hate FWD cars. My steering wheel goes nuts when I really gun it hard. It's annoying as hell. (I think it's called Torque Steer?)

My next car will definitely be either an AWD or RWD car.
 

LennyZ

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If you can't peel out without reving the crap outta it and dropping the clutch why bother?

Seriously,It just ain't a fast car if you need to do that.