So how are you liking Win10 so far?

[WelshBloke]

So it's Microsofts fault you're an uninformed user? It looks pretty straight forward to me.

Having to click 'create a new account' to log in without an account isn't really the most straight forward way of doing things.

 

[fleshconsumed]

True, it's not the most intuitive, but it's not a new thing, it's been that way since Windows 8.

 

[RampantAndroid]

Having to click 'create a new account' to log in without an account isn't really the most straight forward way of doing things.

But that isn't terribly different, right? Before Windows 8 you still created an account, it was just always a local account. MS is trying to get people on to a live account so that the first time they go into the store it works, so it makes sense to show the Live ID sign in/creation first. I'm not terribly happy with it, but you only go through setup once every OS, usually. It isn't something you should see that often one would hope.

 

[Ketchup]

But that isn't terribly different, right? Before Windows 8 you still created an account, it was just always a local account. MS is trying to get people on to a live account so that the first time they go into the store it works, so it makes sense to show the Live ID sign in/creation first. I'm not terribly happy with it, but you only go through setup once every OS, usually. It isn't something you should see that often one would hope.

I don't like it either, but as someone said above, people do it with their phones and tablets all the time, and since Windows 10 (8) is supposed to be an OS that spans all three type of devices, it both does make sense for Microsoft to do it this way, and doesn't make sense for people to make too much of a big deal about it.

 

[Morbus]

Having to click 'create a new account' to log in without an account isn't really the most straight forward way of doing things.

That doesn't explain how people miss the way to log in without an account if they end up having to click 'create a new account' anyway, right?

 

[Ranulf]

But that isn't terribly different, right? Before Windows 8 you still created an account, it was just always a local account. MS is trying to get people on to a live account so that the first time they go into the store it works, so it makes sense to show the Live ID sign in/creation first. I'm not terribly happy with it, but you only go through setup once every OS, usually. It isn't something you should see that often one would hope.

Because MS couldn't have the store login/ID do that the first time you fire up the store ap? It is a security issue to comingle those accounts and passwords. The user can choose to do that but MS is not making it clear at all on how to create a local account.

 

[Dahak]

That doesn't explain how people miss the way to log in without an account if they end up having to click 'create a new account' anyway, right?

People can't read, you could have a big flashing arrow pointing to it and they will still miss it, unless you know to look there.

But I would say it more MS's fault vs the end user. It should be on the screen
- Sign in with MS account -- little blurb on what it is
- Sign in with Local / offline / old way -- little blurb on what it is
however the wording would be.

It seems counter intuitive that to sign in to the computer is buried behind a window for creating a new ms account, which should not have anything to do with a local account

 

[RampantAndroid]

Because MS couldn't have the store login/ID do that the first time you fire up the store ap? It is a security issue to comingle those accounts and passwords. The user can choose to do that but MS is not making it clear at all on how to create a local account.

It isn't JUST the store though - it's a lot of other connected apps, right? OneDrive, Music, Video etc. Moreover, the last time MS forced something requiring extra steps security wise (UAC) they were BLASTED. Most people probably want to just use one password. For those who don't wish to have their machine unlocked by their Live password (it doesn't have to be) they can set a photo, pin or password unlock. What's so hard about that?

 

[Maximilian]

True, it's not the most intuitive, but it's not a new thing, it's been that way since Windows 8.

They added it in 8.1 because they want to force people into signing up for a microsoft account. Windows 8 wasent like that.

The user has one option on that page "create new account", this puts them in the mindset that they must create an account to continue. On the next page their attention isn't drawn to the greyed out "sign in without an account" option.

A real dick move on MS part. Yeah its not new for 10 but it sucks that its still that way, a deliberate move no doubt.

 

[RampantAndroid]

They added it in 8.1 because they want to force people into signing up for a microsoft account. Windows 8 wasent like that.

The user has one option on that page "create new account", this puts them in the mindset that they must create an account to continue. On the next page their attention isn't drawn to the greyed out "sign in without an account" option.

A real dick move on MS part. Yeah its not new for 10 but it sucks that its still that way, a deliberate move no doubt.

Windows 8 was like that. There was an uproar during a preview build's release because they had not implemented local accounts in the UI yet (installing with no network was the only way to get a local account.) They're trying to get you to log in and use the store. Don't want it? Fine...don't use it.

But I float between 3-4 PCs. Having my start screen synced, synced wallpapers and such is actually really nice.

 

[Maximilian]

Windows 8 was like that. There was an uproar during a preview build's release because they had not implemented local accounts in the UI yet (installing with no network was the only way to get a local account.) They're trying to get you to log in and use the store. Don't want it? Fine...don't use it.

But I float between 3-4 PCs. Having my start screen synced, synced wallpapers and such is actually really nice.

Im not using it, I never will use it. I can still complain about how they've gone about it with their deliberate (it cant be anything else IMO) obfuscation of the "create a local account" option.

It brings us synced wallpapers? Wow, ive been begging to have synced wallpapers since windows 95, every year I write a heartfelt letter to Bill Gates asking for this feature and every year he ignores me... my friends dying wish was to experience the wonder that is synced wallpapers, he didn't actually die though he only had flu. No matter we've got synced wallpapers now, we will both die happy 🙄

 

[RampantAndroid]

Im not using it, I never will use it. I can still complain about how they've gone about it with their deliberate (it cant be anything else IMO) obfuscation of the "create a local account" option.

It brings us synced wallpapers? Wow, ive been begging to have synced wallpapers since windows 95, every year I write a heartfelt letter to Bill Gates asking for this feature and every year he ignores me... my friends dying wish was to experience the wonder that is synced wallpapers, he didn't actually die though he only had flu. No matter we've got synced wallpapers now, we will both die happy 🙄

Because logging in to a PC and getting everything there - local app data, apps, start menu arrangement settings, account logins and such all on the device by simply logging in is worthless? OK.

 

[ninaholic37]

Im not using it, I never will use it. I can still complain about how they've gone about it with their deliberate (it cant be anything else IMO) obfuscation of the "create a local account" option.

It brings us synced wallpapers? Wow, ive been begging to have synced wallpapers since windows 95, every year I write a heartfelt letter to Bill Gates asking for this feature and every year he ignores me... my friends dying wish was to experience the wonder that is synced wallpapers, he didn't actually die though he only had flu. No matter we've got synced wallpapers now, we will both die happy 🙄

I love posts like this! They ring so true and make my morning 😀

 

[Ketchup]

Interesting segue. So, if you had a Windows 8 computer, and you signed into your new Windows 10 computer with your Windows ID, what would it get you? Apps only work for the computer they are installed on, so might you see your background, files in your shared folders, not having to set up your email account, Internet Explorer settings? Anything else?

 

[RampantAndroid]

Interesting segue. So, if you had a Windows 8 computer, and you signed into your new Windows 10 computer with your Windows ID, what would it get you? Apps only work for the computer they are installed on, so might you see your background, files in your shared folders, not having to set up your email account, Internet Explorer settings? Anything else?

A lot of apps store their content in the cloud these days, so getting everything back - for the modern apps - is conceivable. I know I get my email back when I log in to a new machine as well.

 

[Ketchup]

A lot of apps store their content in the cloud these days, so getting everything back - for the modern apps - is conceivable. I know I get my email back when I log in to a new machine as well.

That would be very good (about the apps). I know a couple threads in which people were complaining about not getting their apps on another computer, but I bet they were using different logons, so that makes sense.

 

[bbhaag]

Interesting segue. So, if you had a Windows 8 computer, and you signed into your new Windows 10 computer with your Windows ID, what would it get you? Apps only work for the computer they are installed on, so might you see your background, files in your shared folders, not having to set up your email account, Internet Explorer settings? Anything else?

I did something similar to what you are asking about. I have 8.1 on my desktop at home and I tested 10 on my laptop. I used my Live ID for both computers.

Apps did not transfer over from one pc to another and I don't use IE. Email obviously did and one thing that I really liked was my documents and pictures were synced between pc's via Onedrive.

As an example one night I was at work trying to put a pre-book in for this season. It was getting late and I didn't feel like sticking around so I saved it on my laptop. After the kids went to bed I loaded the file on my pc at home and was ready to go.

It was all very seamless and easy to use. I know a lot of people here are against it but I thought it was very handy and I honestly don't mind logging in with a Live ID. It does have its advantages and those would only grow if you used a MS phone and MS tablet like the Surface, but I realize it's not for everybody.

 

[Maximilian]

I did something similar to what you are asking about. I have 8.1 on my desktop at home and I tested 10 on my laptop. I used my Live ID for both computers.

Apps did not transfer over from one pc to another and I don't use IE. Email obviously did and one thing that I really liked was my documents and pictures were synced between pc's via Onedrive.

As an example one night I was at work trying to put a pre-book in for this season. It was getting late and I didn't feel like sticking around so I saved it on my laptop. After the kids went to bed I loaded the file on my pc at home and was ready to go.

It was all very seamless and easy to use. I know a lot of people here are against it but I thought it was very handy and I honestly don't mind logging in with a Live ID. It does have its advantages and those would only grow if you used a MS phone and MS tablet like the Surface, but I realize it's not for everybody.

You got that right. Pry my android based stuff from my cold dead fingers

 

[quikah]

You got that right. Pry my android based stuff from my cold dead fingers

Ms services are on android and iOS also.

 

[ArisVer]

When it comes to creating a local account and logging with a Microsoft account, which is better and for what reasons (as you have pointed, logging with a live account is normal for tablets and phones)? Can you change the account you use to login or do you have to add a different user for that?

 

[bbhaag]

You got that right. Pry my android based stuff from my cold dead fingers

All right so you prefer Google. Some people like Apple some like Amazon theirs no need to get an attitude about it geez.....

 

[Mem]

You got that right. Pry my android based stuff from my cold dead fingers

I think you are overreacting as usual,Win10 just gives some users more options with what they can do,I have no intention of using Win10 on tablet or phone,I'm also an Android phone and tablet user and will always be so,but I can see the bigger picture in what Microsoft are trying to do.

End of the day it's your choice in what you do,plenty of options out there which is never a bad thing.

However I'll buy Win10 for desktop because I'm PC gamer,my Android devices will always be with me in fact looking to upgrade my Android smartphone in the near future.

 

[Maximilian]

All right so you prefer Google. Some people like Apple some like Amazon theirs no need to get an attitude about it geez.....

Nope, the company that backs it is irrelevant to me, thats just fanboy BS talk right there. Its the end product that counts. I prefer android.

 

[bbhaag]

Alright chill out man we get it you like Android.

 

[Rhonda the Sly]

When it comes to creating a local account and logging with a Microsoft account, which is better and for what reasons (as you have pointed, logging with a live account is normal for tablets and phones)? Can you change the account you use to login or do you have to add a different user for that?

The Microsoft Account is better for all devices as it will allow you to sync files and Windows Store Application settings between a multiple devices. Just as well, OneDrive makes sure my OneNote pages are in sync between my desktop, laptop, iPhone, and Nexus tablet.

And the account can be changed at will.