So how about that football

[purbeast0]

JUST PUT THE BABY TO SLEEP AND PUT ON THE CHASE YOUNG JERSEY.

LETS FUCKING GO WFT!!!

 

[zinfamous]

Well, it's not often that a 1st round QB is outright cut in year 2 of his career during the season.

I understand all of this, and I agree with all of it.

I just like being able to witness this collective, seemingly-organized animosity, lol.

 

[purbeast0]

That roughing the passer call on the Eagles opening drive was such a WFT call...

Complete and utter bullshit but glad they did nothing with the opening drive.

 

[Torn Mind]

That roughing the passer call on the Eagles opening drive was such a WFT call...

Complete and utter bullshit but glad they did nothing with the opening drive.

We all know which side the refs are on.

Ref even had a slip of the tongue and said encroachment on the offense before correcting himself.

 

[zinfamous]

Oh man, I just thought of a solution to sort of deal with the issue of having under .500 teams make the playoffs, that sorta works. Because I am very smart.

How about we keep the division champion rule. So, shitty NFCEast team this year still gets automatic bid. THe teams that make it, don't really change, so you stay within that "Well, it's how the league is set up and organized, so no way around that without massive reorganization." Fine. Don't need to worry about that.

HOWEVER: let's fix the seeding. We already, for some reason, set seeding based on record for the TOP 2 teams anyway...then, all the rest, get their own stupid set of rules that are, well arbitrary.

And look at NCAA tournament: you have your automatic bids, but none of that determines actual seeding. You don't get favored overall simply for having an automatic bid: everyone is suddenly put through the same seeding process as everyone else, with all the same standards.

So, for the NFL, just flat out seed the playoffs by record in each league. Done. no questions. So, you won a shit division by being the least shitty--you get homefield advantage just because? no, sir. back of the bus.

Just fix the seeding.

 

[purbeast0]

Oh man, I just thought of a solution to sort of deal with the issue of having under .500 teams make the playoffs, that sorta works. Because I am very smart.

How about we keep the division champion rule. So, shitty NFCEast team this year still gets automatic bid. THe teams that make it, don't really change, so you stay within that "Well, it's how the league is set up and organized, so no way around that without massive reorganization." Fine. Don't need to worry about that.

HOWEVER: let's fix the seeding. We already, for some reason, set seeding based on record for the TOP 2 teams anyway...then, all the rest, get their own stupid set of rules that are, well arbitrary.

And look at NCAA tournament: you have your automatic bids, but none of that determines actual seeding. You don't get favored overall simply for having an automatic bid: everyone is suddenly put through the same seeding process as everyone else, with all the same standards.

So, for the NFL, just flat out seed the playoffs by record in each league. Done. no questions. So, you won a shit division by being the least shitty--you get homefield advantage just because? no, sir. back of the bus.

Just fix the seeding.

Nah it's fine how it is. This is such a rarity where a team with a non-winning record wins their division.

 

[JEDI]

True, but its all academic anyway.

and i quote-
The Giants are currently +15000 to win the Super Bowl, +6600 to win the NFC, and +325 to win the NFC East.

Well the giants won so I want the red skins to lose so I can see a 6-10 team play in the playoffs.

Imagine if they win the super bowl as a 6-10 team

 

[zinfamous]

Nah it's fine how it is. This is such a rarity where a team with a non-winning record wins their division.

It still doesn't make sense, within the current rules: The top two seeds are determined by record only. The rest are not, because division leaders get auto 3 and 4, which pushes the wild cards out of record ordering by default.

Why?

It's like Calvin Ball rules: Let's set up a rule for these two teams, then change it for two more, then let's go back to the last two teams (now 3) and just go back to the rule for the first two.

 

[purbeast0]

It still doesn't make sense, within the current rules: The top two seeds are determined by record only. The rest are not, because division leaders get auto 3 and 4, which pushes the wild cards out of record ordering by default.

Why?

It's like Calvin Ball rules: Let's set up a rule for these two teams, then change it for two more, then let's go back to the last two teams (now 3) and just go back to the rule for the first two.

The top 4 seeds are decided by the division winners and the records of those 4. Not sure what you are talking about with top 2 seeds and 3/4 being different.

Then the wild card come next.

NFL playoffs are PERFECTION they do not need to mess with them AT ALL.

 

[MrSquished]

Well the giants won so I want the red skins to lose so I can see a 6-10 team play in the playoffs.

Imagine if they win the super bowl as a 6-10 team

Giants won it as a 9-7 wild card. Has anyone won it as an 8-8 team?

 

[IronWing]

NFL playoffs are PERFECTION they do not need to mess with them AT ALL.

<checks current position of Packers>
There is much wisdom here; everybody should listen to this poster.

 

[zinfamous]

The top 4 seeds are decided by the division winners and the records of those 4. Not sure what you are talking about with top 2 seeds and 3/4 being different.

Then the wild card come next.

NFL playoffs are PERFECTION they do not need to mess with them AT ALL.

No.

Each divisional playoff is separate pools of seeds, where divisional champions get their own pool of seeding and the rest get their own. This no longer makes sense, because wild cards exist and the logic for keeping it "divisional champion" priority simply isn't there beyond "because it used to be that way." That isn't a reason to defend a system that has already been changed.

Again, look at the NCAA: there are what, 32 automatic bids, and the rest are at-large. And of course, the way conferences work, those at-large bids are largely going to be bulk of the contenders: only one team can win their conference, and these are largely 3-6 teams sometimes, within each conference, coming in from great conferences with at-large bids. Hell, the 16 seed exists only to be given to conference champions in generally unrepresented conferences. Now, after every team gets in, they are all now equally subjected to the same tiered rules that govern seeding. Hell, there are plenty of teams that lose their league championship games that will get 1 and 2 seeds; it's the only way that it works. Either way, you enter on equal footing once you make the tournament, in terms of judging your position based on the same performance metrics (and yes, history is a large part of that because where you start the season does have influence)

Anyway, point being rules change all the time. Playoff eligibility as constantly changed. Keeping the priority to "division champion pool of seeds" and "other pool of seeds" is completely arbitrary. There is literally no reason for it considering the actual state of the game today. There are always some crappy divisions, but even if this particular case is somewhat rare, it still doesn't mean that the fact seeding is pooled like this is all that relevant to the fact that 7 teams are now invited (and no--it isn't perfection, because now there is an extra team in each division, for no reason. It can't be perfection as it is marching towards obsolescence, just like the NBA).

I mean, everything about the league is determined on a pure-record level, except this bizarre playoff model that no longer tracks with the league's progression of rule changes. The draft order works this way. The league is so thoroughly ordered in a "pro-egalitarian way," both cap wise and priority-to-talent, all decided by each year's final record...that one has to wonder what the actual argument is for seeding the playoffs the way they are, now. I just can't find any logical, rule-based or league model-based argument to defend it. "Because History." The game today is nothing like that history.

 

[zinfamous]

...and what the crap, the Jets owner was the US ambassador to the UK? what the holy crap? I mean, it's obvious how that happened--cheetoh dumbshittery being incompetent and corrupt, as always--but seriously, wtf?

 

[IronWing]

...and what the crap, the Jets owner was the US ambassador to the UK? what the holy crap? I mean, it's obvious how that happened--cheetoh dumbshittery being incompetent and corrupt, as always--but seriously, wtf?

Who better to educate the heathens on the sport of football?

 

[Torn Mind]

...and what the crap, the Jets owner was the US ambassador to the UK? what the holy crap? I mean, it's obvious how that happened--cheetoh dumbshittery being incompetent and corrupt, as always--but seriously, wtf?

At least no one knows who he is. I don't think Jerry Jones or Dan Snyder are exactly good faces.

 

[Torn Mind]

Lol Pederson leaving points on the field.

 

[JujuFish]

At least no one knows who he is. I don't think Jerry Jones or Dan Snyder are exactly good faces.

Yeah, even as a fan of a divisional opponent of the Jets, I couldn't have told you the first names of the owners. Johnson & Johnson is all I could tell you, since they're the descendants of the founders of J&J.

 

[Torn Mind]

I think you New Yorkers are going to be most displeased, to put it eloquently.

 

[JEDI]

Wtf philly benching their effective qb and putting in someone else???

Giants team is probably yelling at their tv right now 🤣

 

[Torn Mind]

Wtf philly benching their effective qb and putting in someone else???

Giants team is probably yelling at their tv right now 🤣

Boosting their draft position.
Screwing Washington's draft position
Screwing the league's fix for the NYC vs Dallas winner.
Protecting Hurts from a meaningless slip in a rainy meaningless game.

 

[Torn Mind]

YEAH.

Redskins are NFC EAST champs...in the most NFC East way possible. haha

 

[JEDI]

Boosting their draft position.
Screwing Washington's draft position
Screwing the league's fix for the NYC vs Dallas winner.
Protecting Hurts from a meaningless slip in a rainy meaningless game.

ok, the announcers explained it.
since the game is meaningless to philly, they decided to give the backup qb a chance to play and evaluate him/keep his job.

boy.. he didnt look good tonite.

i bet there will be LOTS of no comments from the Giants team/players about Philly's qb switch.

Bring on tampa bay/Tom Brady!

 

[purbeast0]

No.

Each divisional playoff is separate pools of seeds, where divisional champions get their own pool of seeding and the rest get their own. This no longer makes sense, because wild cards exist and the logic for keeping it "divisional champion" priority simply isn't there beyond "because it used to be that way." That isn't a reason to defend a system that has already been changed.

I have no idea wtf you are talking about here but you are wrong. There is no "separate pool of seeding among division champs" in the seeding. The division champs with the best record is 1st seed, the division champ with the worst record is the 4th seed.

After that the wild cards are the best 2 (3 this season) records that are not division winners are the 5-6-7 seeds.

The only difference this year is that instead of 2 wild cards there are 3. Nothing else.

EDIT:

covid/playoff party at purbeast house next Saturday ta 8pm!

 

[JEDI]

I have no idea wtf you are talking about here but you are wrong. There is no "separate pool of seeding among division champs" in the seeding. The division champs with the best record is 1st seed, the division champ with the worst record is the 4th seed.

After that the wild cards are the best 2 (3 this season) records that are not division winners are the 5-6-7 seeds.

The only difference this year is that instead of 2 wild cards there are 3. Nothing else.

EDIT:

covid/playoff party at purbeast house next Saturday ta 8pm!

why did they increase to 3 wild cards this season?

 

[ondma]

I have no idea wtf you are talking about here but you are wrong. There is no "separate pool of seeding among division champs" in the seeding. The division champs with the best record is 1st seed, the division champ with the worst record is the 4th seed.

After that the wild cards are the best 2 (3 this season) records that are not division winners are the 5-6-7 seeds.

The only difference this year is that instead of 2 wild cards there are 3. Nothing else.

EDIT:

covid/playoff party at purbeast house next Saturday ta 8pm!

No, there is a separate seeding pool for the div champs. For instance, the WFT will be seeded fourth, while all 3 wild card teams will be seeded lower, despite all of them having better records. That is a separate seeding pool for division champs. Granted that is not different, but one can still consider it unfair. It does matter less this year than most years though, because there in not such a huge home field advantage due to lack of fans in the stands.