So, hell has frozen over....PCP&C's new Silencer MkII 950W with 140mm fan

[HOOfan 1]

it is Patent 7133293

 

[theAnimal]

figures that they come out with this 'new' psu

it was hard to find the real pc power and cooling psus.

however the ocz buyout likely resulted in the new line being made elsewhere and im going to say that quality is going to decline.

watch a complete new line replacing the old and they are rebadges of whoever ocz goes through

I'm pretty sure PC P&C will use the same OEMs that they were already using.

 

[Meghan54]

I'm pretty sure PC P&C will use the same OEMs that they were already using.

Actually, the scuttlebutt is that OCZ has dumped Seasonic for the source of Silencer builds and will be moving to a new OEM supplier, like Sirfa.

Of course, this is conjecture and rumor, but it is indeed strange that XFX recently released a new 650W XXX Edition power supply and was found that Seasonic, the OEM for this particular XFX power supply, is reusing pcb's that were previously silk screened PC Power and Cooling.

You can see that evidence here in Hardware Secrets' testing of the XFX 650W XXX power supply:

http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/article/899/2

And as JonnyGuru put it on his forum:

It's VERY unlike ANY OEM to take someone else's PCB and reuse it for another customer. You know how we haven't seen any new PC Power & Cooling PSU's in a long time? My guess is someone decided to burn a bridge at Seasonic and left them high and dry with a butt load of unsold PSU's.

Add to that the fact that PCP&C power supplies have been in what can be charitably termed in short supply (non-existent supply by another name, or discontinued to put it another way), and the rumors seem to be gaining traction.

If indeed OCZ is moving PCP&C's OEM source(s) to Sirfa as has been suggested, and given OCZ's somewhat good luck with Sirfa building OCZ's Z-series, the move could be indeed true and unfortunate as Sirfa doesn't have exactly the best track record as a "high quality" OEM producer of power supplies.

This is real old news!! OCZ has owned PC Power & Cooling for a few years now!!

I wouldn't call this old news. PCP&C has for years and years slammed the use of any fans greater than 80mm along with downdraft style cooling on their power supplies. This, instead, is "new" news and a radical departure from their hardline stance they had taken until recently.....as the change can be seen by the mysterious disappearance of the myth page on PCP&C's website.

This new line is NOt because of anything OCZ has done. It came out of necessity.
PC Power & Cooling was being left behind by the other companies catching up....

Yes, PCP&C was being left behind as other companies passed PCP&C by with numerous units that performed at least as well electrically, sometimes better, and with greater efficiency and quietness.

Through all this takeover and through the last few years there has been no decline at all in the quality of PC Power & Cooling products!!

And, until now, why would there have been as PCP&C probably had been in long term contracts to its two OEM sources for its units.....Win-Tact for the Turbo Cool line and Seasonic for its Silencer line. Just because OCZ bought PCP&C didn't invalidate the contracts PCP&C had already inked for production of power supplies. Therefore, there shouldn't have been any change at all.....until now.

OCZ has no say in how PC Power & Cooling does things, that was made very clear and plain in the original press release.

PC Power & Cooling has the same staff and the same pompous....at head of the company....

Irrespective of Dodson continuing as titular head of PCP&C, OCZ owns the company and probably has as much say in how PCP&C does things as it wants to have. Owners of subsidiary companies can do anything to the owned company, despite anything said publically. If OCZ wanted to dissolve the company and completely absorb it into OCZ, it could. OCZ owns PCP&C and really can do anything it likes with it.....including move PCP&C to down draft large fan cooling, modular cable interface, even change its name if they felt like it. Such is the luxury of owning something....you can do anything you'd like with what you own.

As I said before, OCZ was probably waiting for the contracts PCP&C had entered into with Win-Tact and Seasonic to expire or come close to expiration before making a move in OEM suppliers for PCP&C power supplies.

How else can you explain what's happened recently to PCP&C, such as no product on shelves, a new power supply shown that goes against one of PCP&C's steadfast and long held cooling standards.....the side draft 80mm fan.....and that pcb's with PCP&C's name silk screened on them are showing up in a competing company's product?

 

[PsiStar]

it is Patent 7133293

Good find & I stand corrected.

3) Connectorized power supplies (aka modular PSUs) & power supply systems have existed for decades. They are only new to the PC aftermarket. They are not an "invention".

So ULTRA believes that it is an invention, but scroll a little down to "Other References" ... noting the Chinese & Taiwanese invalidations.

Several other apparently questioned that (at the bottom of that page) and I suspect that many companies did not just overlook this patent. Looking a little further & I do not see a decision as of September 15, 2009.

I used to work for a company that had 200 patent attorneys & the company was not that big. They were known as one of the most litigious companies in the US. They designed connectors & even had a patent for the amount of air around pins in a housing and that type of patent wasn't all that unusual.

A patent engineer in a competitor said those patents were like getting a patent on the wheel barrow ... not enforceable.

I also infringed on one of those patents (in 2000), but I had prior art dated from 1951. The prior art actually came from an Israeli technical library & was written in Hebrew with lots of math. I don't know Hebrew, but 1 page of the 30 or so was all I needed to counter a nasty gram (about the infringement).

It will be interesting to see how the ULTRA law suite develops. Thier patent also includes UV cable wrap.

 

[SparkyJJO]

It will be interesting to see how the ULTRA law suite develops. Thier patent also includes UV cable wrap.

lol they patented the bling-bling! 😛

 

[JEDIYoda]

Actually, the scuttlebutt is that OCZ has dumped Seasonic for the source of Silencer builds and will be moving to a new OEM supplier, like Sirfa.

Of course, this is conjecture and rumor, but it is indeed strange that XFX recently released a new 650W XXX Edition power supply and was found that Seasonic, the OEM for this particular XFX power supply, is reusing pcb's that were previously silk screened PC Power and Cooling.

You can see that evidence here in Hardware Secrets' testing of the XFX 650W XXX power supply:

http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/article/899/2

And as JonnyGuru put it on his forum:
Add to that the fact that PCP&C power supplies have been in what can be charitably termed in short supply (non-existent supply by another name, or discontinued to put it another way), and the rumors seem to be gaining traction.

If indeed OCZ is moving PCP&C's OEM source(s) to Sirfa as has been suggested, and given OCZ's somewhat good luck with Sirfa building OCZ's Z-series, the move could be indeed true and unfortunate as Sirfa doesn't have exactly the best track record as a "high quality" OEM producer of power supplies.





I wouldn't call this old news. PCP&C has for years and years slammed the use of any fans greater than 80mm along with downdraft style cooling on their power supplies. This, instead, is "new" news and a radical departure from their hardline stance they had taken until recently.....as the change can be seen by the mysterious disappearance of the myth page on PCP&C's website.



Yes, PCP&C was being left behind as other companies passed PCP&C by with numerous units that performed at least as well electrically, sometimes better, and with greater efficiency and quietness.


And, until now, why would there have been as PCP&C probably had been in long term contracts to its two OEM sources for its units.....Win-Tact for the Turbo Cool line and Seasonic for its Silencer line. Just because OCZ bought PCP&C didn't invalidate the contracts PCP&C had already inked for production of power supplies. Therefore, there shouldn't have been any change at all.....until now.


Irrespective of Dodson continuing as titular head of PCP&C, OCZ owns the company and probably has as much say in how PCP&C does things as it wants to have. Owners of subsidiary companies can do anything to the owned company, despite anything said publically. If OCZ wanted to dissolve the company and completely absorb it into OCZ, it could. OCZ owns PCP&C and really can do anything it likes with it.....including move PCP&C to down draft large fan cooling, modular cable interface, even change its name if they felt like it. Such is the luxury of owning something....you can do anything you'd like with what you own.

As I said before, OCZ was probably waiting for the contracts PCP&C had entered into with Win-Tact and Seasonic to expire or come close to expiration before making a move in OEM suppliers for PCP&C power supplies.

How else can you explain what's happened recently to PCP&C, such as no product on shelves, a new power supply shown that goes against one of PCP&C's steadfast and long held cooling standards.....the side draft 80mm fan.....and that pcb's with PCP&C's name silk screened on them are showing up in a competing company's product?

All conjecture no real facts!!

OCZ does not own PC Power & Cooling so to speak!
The people at PC Power & Cooling still make the decisions as to who the OEM is...NOT OCZ!!
Just because you buy a company mdoesn`t mean you necessarily rtun the company or have your fingers in the pooch so to speak...

Let us wait and see what transpires...
OCZ hqas stated for the record they purchased PC Power & Cooling for the expertise that such a purchase would bring to the table....not because they wanted to run the company!!

 

[tomoyo]

Absolutely hilarious as always. Defending Pc Power like JediYoda's life depended on it. The simple truth. OCZ Owns PC Power and Cooling. They obviously have final say on the product.
And yes PC Power deserves some hate for promoting lies about 120mm fans and than going to one. If they directly state to us that 120mm are fine for psus, they may be forgiven, but they'll never have the balls to give up their lies.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Absolutely hilarious as always. Defending Pc Power like JediYoda's life depended on it. The simple truth. OCZ Owns PC Power and Cooling. They obviously have final say on the product.
And yes PC Power deserves some hate for promoting lies about 120mm fans and than going to one. If they directly state to us that 120mm are fine for psus, they may be forgiven, but they'll never have the balls to give up their lies.

The truth is your a freaking troll who doesn`t know fuckin shit about this topic.
When OCZ bought PC Power & Cooling nothing changed as far as personnel or for that matter Mr Dodson still controls and has the final say concerning PC Power & Cooling!!

Essentially OCZ bought PC Power & Cooling to bolster their own appearance and to have the direct access to thye peeps at PC Power & Cooling!!

You are an idiot and quite nieve if you think OCZ pushed this 140 mm fan on them!!
This was solely PC Power & Coolings idea and they ran with it. Even though we all knew they would be forced to do something concerning their noisy 80mm fans!!

The simple truth is ownership does not equate to running or making important decisions!!
When you graduate from grade school you night understand!!

 

[v8envy]

The simple truth is ownership does not equate to running or making important decisions!!
When you graduate from grade school you night understand!!

What are you, simple?

That's precisely the definition of ownership. The brass at OCZ are now responsible for PCP&C's performance in the marketplace. They answer to investors, not PCP&C's management. They'd be grossly negligent in their fiduciary responsibilities if they were NOT running that business and did NOT have input on key decisions. Particularly having to do with future products.

 

[Martimus]

Absolutely hilarious as always. Defending Pc Power like JediYoda's life depended on it. The simple truth. OCZ Owns PC Power and Cooling. They obviously have final say on the product.
And yes PC Power deserves some hate for promoting lies about 120mm fans and than going to one. If they directly state to us that 120mm are fine for psus, they may be forgiven, but they'll never have the balls to give up their lies.

Being an ex-power supply designer, I have read the PC P&C "myths" section, and I don't remember them saying anything that wasn't true (other than trapping power on a rail). They may have been somewhat misleading, but all of the issues they brought up are actual issues. There are ways to design around them, but for industrial applications it just wasn't worth it. Now for home use, I wouldn't worry about it. Also, unless you are going to swap cables constantly in your PSU, I wouln't worry about the drawbacks of using modular cables. (Actually you would be more likely to see the connections corrode if you don't swap it often) If you are worried about corrosion, just add dielectric grease to the terminals (Which you should do anyway if you ever plan to use the PSU in more than one setup.) As for using a top mounted fan, there are many ways to adjust your heatsink and airflow to make sure it cools properly. The problem is when you don't make design changes to these things, as you will get substandard cooling (which we did see on early 120mm PSU fan designs, ala Antec PSU's). PC P&C had good designs already and likely didn't want to spend the resources to solve these new issues, as their current designs were already high quality.

Anyway, I don't feel like adding more to my wall of text, as I am tired and lost my train of thought. I just get tired of people saying something as a fact without so much as an explanation for why they feel that way.

 

[PsiStar]

... connections corrode if you don't swap it often) If you are worried ... just add dielectric grease ...

Contact lubricant ... is that made by KY?🙄

 

[JEDIYoda]

What are you, simple?

That's precisely the definition of ownership. The brass at OCZ are now responsible for PCP&C's performance in the marketplace. They answer to investors, not PCP&C's management. They'd be grossly negligent in their fiduciary responsibilities if they were NOT running that business and did NOT have input on key decisions. Particularly having to do with future products.

What are you some kind of idiot trying to sound like you know what your talking about?? Fidiciary blah blah blah.....
are you stoopid???

Read what both companys said concerning OCZ buying PC Power & Cooling!
Both companies for the record stated that PC Power & Cooling would remain a seperate entity...with Mr Dodson having the final say when it comes to PC Power & Cooling!!

OCZ does not get involved with anything PC Power & Cooling does and if they do mr dodson has the final say!1

What do you not understand about the working agreement between these two companies.

here is the press release--
http://www.ocztechnology.com/aboutocz/press/2007/222

 

[v8envy]

Because marketing spew from a 2007 press release is an accurate portrayal of a binding legal document, effective through time eternal. Wow, you are even more delusional than I thought.

I'll put it into terms your limited vocabulary might let you comprehend: "We'll buy you, but you can do whatever you feel like. Don't even bother reporting to us, our board of directors or stockholders, we'll take care of that. Do whatever you feel like, lol." Does that sound like a likely thing for a sane CEO to say?

 

[tomoyo]

The truth is your a freaking troll who doesn`t know fuckin shit about this topic.
When OCZ bought PC Power & Cooling nothing changed as far as personnel or for that matter Mr Dodson still controls and has the final say concerning PC Power & Cooling!!

Essentially OCZ bought PC Power & Cooling to bolster their own appearance and to have the direct access to thye peeps at PC Power & Cooling!!

You are an idiot and quite nieve if you think OCZ pushed this 140 mm fan on them!!
This was solely PC Power & Coolings idea and they ran with it. Even though we all knew they would be forced to do something concerning their noisy 80mm fans!!

The simple truth is ownership does not equate to running or making important decisions!!
When you graduate from grade school you night understand!!

Ahem, the only utterly and absolutely CLEAR TROLL IS YOU YODA. You've been trolling your lies and propoganda here for too long. I have only one goal here and that is useful information that helps people. Your goals have never been that.

Also I know companies and finance and am a professional in regards to that area. I'm quite certain you are NOT. Don't even pretend to have any clue what ocz or pc power and cooling are doing. You don't work for them, you just troll for them.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Because marketing spew from a 2007 press release is an accurate portrayal of a binding legal document, effective through time eternal. Wow, you are even more delusional than I thought.

I'll put it into terms your limited vocabulary might let you comprehend: "We'll buy you, but you can do whatever you feel like. Don't even bother reporting to us, our board of directors or stockholders, we'll take care of that. Do whatever you feel like, lol." Does that sound like a likely thing for a sane CEO to say?

I will put it into terms you understand....the press release is very accurate......
Just because you have never been in the buisness world and still are in grade school you need to learn quite a bit about the buisness world!!

In fact i will go you one ebtter prove the press release wrong.....yoiu can`t...other than to spout an opinion with no facts!!

I backed up what i was saying...where is your link to back up your diatribe>??

 

[JEDIYoda]

Ahem, the only utterly and absolutely CLEAR TROLL IS YOU YODA. You've been trolling your lies and propoganda here for too long. I have only one goal here and that is useful information that helps people. Your goals have never been that.

Also I know companies and finance and am a professional in regards to that area. I'm quite certain you are NOT. Don't even pretend to have any clue what ocz or pc power and cooling are doing. You don't work for them, you just troll for them.

is that the best you can do Tomoyo???
You know nothing about thgis subject other than being a complete troll.....

I have friends who work for PC Power & Cooling and I actually know what the fuck I am taking about!


You on the other hand have no experience with this subject other than to troll the hell out of it and to dismiss the link I posted as being iether false or not the way things are done...

Prove the link wrong or quit trolling this thread....

So whats the name now-- trollmoyo....

 

[tomoyo]

is that the best you can do Tomoyo???
You know nothing about thgis subject other than being a complete troll.....

I have friends who work for PC Power & Cooling and I actually know what the fuck I am taking about!


You on the other hand have no experience with this subject other than to troll the hell out of it and to dismiss the link I posted as being iether false or not the way things are done...

Prove the link wrong or quit trolling this thread....

So whats the name now-- trollmoyo....

TrollYoda indeed. So you finally admit the real truth you defend pc power is because you have "friends". You don't care at all about people's actual power supply needs. I love how you have no idea what my experience is and yet call me a troll. See all my posts, most of them are most certainly helpful posts unlike you. Also you have proven to have ZERO experience in power supplies. Can you even prove you have any clue outside of talking to your "friends". and who are these "friends", give us some names. I don't care at all what links you post, you are purely biased. I only listen to neutral voices.

 

[VirtualLarry]

What are you, simple?

That's precisely the definition of ownership. The brass at OCZ are now responsible for PCP&C's performance in the marketplace. They answer to investors, not PCP&C's management. They'd be grossly negligent in their fiduciary responsibilities if they were NOT running that business and did NOT have input on key decisions. Particularly having to do with future products.

Amen. I don't know what Jediyoda is on, but I don't want any of it. Looks like it makes you lose a few IQ points.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Amen. I don't know what Jediyoda is on, but I don't want any of it. Looks like it makes you lose a few IQ points.

No it makes you bozo`s like you all and trollmoyo lose IQ and comprehension points....

here is the press release--
http://www.ocztechnology.com/aboutocz/press/2007/222
Sunnyvale, Calif.—May 25, 2007—OCZ today announced immediate plans to bring PC Power & Cooling into the OCZ Technology Group. As a worldwide leader in high performance computer hardware, OCZ acquired PC Power & Cooling to utilize their keen expertise in power management and take the organization to the next level. This compelling partnership between the two like-minded companies will create a powerful fusion of patented technologies, innovative, high quality PC components, and improved accessibility of premium solutions for customers worldwide. All parties, including the consumer, will benefit from the acquisition; the combined company is now situated to deliver ground-breaking power solutions to meet the growing demand for efficient, high performance components to power the computing needs of gaming, enthusiast, and mission-critical systems builders alike.

With OCZ and PC Power & Cooling joining forces, the result is a solid partnership aimed at delivering superior solutions to end-users. Combining technical strengths, R&D resources, and complementary proficiencies, the new OCZ Technology Group intends to go above and beyond consumer expectations in quality, service, and hi-tech leadership. As the time-honored frontrunner in best-in-class power solutions, only PC Power & Cooling can redefine and develop the market’s standards of performance, as it has done for the past twenty-two years since its inception in 1985. Previously, PC Power & Cooling solutions were only available to US customers through their online store and a few select resellers and retail outlets. Under the OCZ Technology Group, PC Power & Cooling products will gain the exposure of the established OCZ global channel, maximizing the availability of the reputable line to customers everywhere.

All OCZ and PC Power & Cooling product lines will benefit from the new collaboration efforts. Moving forward, PC Power & Cooling’s complete line of power supplies will become the premium-grade PSU collection from OCZ, and will continue to be branded under the PC Power & Cooling brand. In addition to combining current product lines, the focus of OCZ and PC Power & Cooling is to take innovation and industry leadership to new heights. As the founder and CEO of PCP&C, Doug Dodson, moves into the position of Chief Technology Officer at OCZ, the integration of his expertise will set new standards for OCZ product development and innovation. OCZ’s popular high performance memory modules, PSUs, and flash memory will continue to evolve ahead of the times and stay attuned to the needs of the industry. The outcome is a greatly differentiated range of OCZ and PCP&C solutions available worldwide that addresses the complete spectrum of applications.

“OCZ and PC Power & Cooling are both technology leaders that share a common passion for delivering premium solutions to consumers,” said Ryan Petersen, CEO of OCZ Technology Group. “By bringing these two established companies together we are able to leverage the strengths of each organization and accelerate the development of cutting edge products for a variety of markets. We believe that collectively OCZ and PC Power & Cooling will build on our combined heritage to revolutionize high end computing."

"As an expansion partner, I believe we have found in OCZ the ideal fit for the culture and approach of PC Power & Cooling," said Doug Dodson, founder and CEO of PCP&C. "In my new role as Chief Technology Officer, I will focus on maintaining PC Power's lead in proven ultra high-performance with the Turbo-Cool line, and in value and quiet computing with the Silencer line, as well as provide guidance for the continuing improvement of OCZ's power management solutions. I am excited about the improved accessibility of PC Power & Cooling products and I am confident that our rich tradition of reliability and innovation will continue to strengthen as a part of the OCZ Technology Group."

Building on a shared understanding and mutual enthusiasm for leading-edge computer technology, OCZ and PC Power & Cooling will seamlessly unify to represent the pinnacle of performance. Look for all of OCZ Technology Group's current and future products in its worldwide network of distributors, e-tailers, and retail stores.

About OCZ Technology Group, Inc.

OCZ Technology Group, a member of JEDEC, designs, develops and manufactures innovative, high-performance memory and computer components that set industry standards. OCZ products are the first choice for users needing high-reliability, ultra-high performance solutions. In May 2007, PC Power & Cooling was brought into the OCZ Technology Group, forming a partnership that places the organization at the forefront of high-end computing. All of OCZ Technology Group's products are available through its worldwide network of distributors, online resellers and retail stores. For more information visit our website at http://www.ocztechnology.com

About PC Power & Cooling

Over the last 22 years, PC Power & Cooling has produced many innovative computer products including: the first CPU cooler, the first PC heat alarm, the first independently-regulated PC power supply, the first redundant power system, the first NVIDIA® SLI™ certified supply, the first One Kilowatt computer power supply, and the first power supply with its own certified test report (Turbo-Cool 1KW). In May 2007, PC Power & Cooling was brought into the OCZ Technology Group, forming a partnership that places the combined organization at the forefront of the high-performance computing industry.

 

[tomoyo]

Amen. I don't know what Jediyoda is on, but I don't want any of it. Looks like it makes you lose a few IQ points.

Honestly I'd say you'd lose any idea how a power supply functions listening to him. Sad sad pc power and cooling sock puppet.

 

[Meghan54]

Honestly I'd say you'd lose any idea how a power supply functions listening to him. Sad sad pc power and cooling sock puppet.

Well, he's not known as the fleabag of power supplies for nothing.

Gotta love his contradictions, though.

OCZ does not own PC Power & Cooling so to speak!

OCZ has owned PC Power & Cooling for a few years now!!

And of course, there's this gem:

I have friends who work for PC Power & Cooling and I actually know what the fuck I am taking about!

I'm so glad Yoda found some friends. Of course, claiming your friends at PCP&C, you know---the ones on the cleaning staff, are somehow knowledgeable of anything going on in the business end of the division is just silly, Joda.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Well, he's not known as the fleabag of power supplies for nothing.

Gotta love his contradictions, though.









And of course, there's this gem:




I'm so glad Yoda found some friends. Of course, claiming your friends at PCP&C, you know---the ones on the cleaning staff, are somehow knowledgeable of anything going on in the business end of the division is just silly, Joda.

Well , you have no idea who I know or don`t know....but you could be more original....
Yet I gave Hoofan 1 a heads up....so I will leave it at that....

 

[f4phantom2500]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PC_Power_and_Cooling

"PC Power and Cooling is a California-based company that manufactures computer power supplies. PC Power and Cooling was founded in 1985 and based in Carlsbad, California. On May 25, 2007, the company was acquired by OCZ Technology."

"PC Power & Cooling solutions have shifted more towards the Enthusiast and Enterprise class solutions while OCZ Technology branded power supplies cater more towards the gaming and entry level enthusiast segments."

Jeez guys, chill out. No need to get so upset about something so trivial.