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So driving without a license isn't a crime anymore if you're an illegal alien

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drebo

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What the hell is wrong with Californians?

Calif. bill would protect unlicensed drivers from arrest

A bill loaded with immigration politics and potential implications for highway safety has landed on Gov. Jerry Brown's desk.
The legislation by Assemblyman Gil Cedillo, D-Los Angeles, would change police procedures at drunken-driving checkpoints, prohibiting officers from arresting drivers and immediately impounding their cars if their only offense is not having a license.
Supporters say the bill, AB353, would impose a consistent policy statewide - some agencies confiscate unlicensed drivers' cars now, and some do not - while keeping DUI checkpoints from being turned into traps for otherwise law-abiding illegal immigrants who cannot obtain licenses.
"In most parts of California, you basically have to have a car," said Mark Silverman, director of immigration policy at the Immigrant Legal Resource Center. "You have to be able to drive to survive, to get anywhere. Because of that, the truth is, immigrant drivers without licenses will be driving anyway because of the necessity. The towing of cars will not stop people from driving."
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http://articles.sfgate.com/2011-09-...ers-immigrant-drivers-towing-and-storage-fees

I'm not quite sure what a "law-abiding illegal immigrant" is. Perhaps some "progressive" here can explain it to me. Seems to me that these people are breaking two laws: no license and no citizenship.

Give em a fucking bus ticket to Mexico city and sieze their assets to pay for it and any other litigation required.
 
Unfortunately some police departments started using these checkpoints as more of a grab fest for people's cars. They would then partner with certain towing companies and instead of concerns about public safety it would be more about how much money they can make out of impounding people's cars.
 
drebo said:
What the hell is wrong with Californians?



http://articles.sfgate.com/2011-09-...ers-immigrant-drivers-towing-and-storage-fees

I'm not quite sure what a "law-abiding illegal immigrant" is. Perhaps some "progressive" here can explain it to me. Seems to me that these people are breaking two laws: no license and no citizenship.

Give em a fucking bus ticket to Mexico city and sieze their assets to pay for it and any other litigation required.
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Misleading thread title is misleading.

DUI checkpoints are there to check for drunk drivers, not as a blanket law enforcement checkpoint for any and all automotive infractions. (this is part of why they aren't unconstitutional to begin with) This also to all citizens of California, not simply illegal immigrants, and only applies at DUI checkpoints.

Illegal immigrants can't get drivers licenses, which has always struck me as dumb. You're committing one crime, so we are going to force you to commit more? Who gains from that?
 
eskimospy said:
Illegal immigrants can't get drivers licenses, which has always struck me as dumb. You're committing one crime, so we are going to force you to commit more? Who gains from that?
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No, they chose to commit multiple crimes. Coming here is a choice. Driving is a choice. Doing any combination of the two illegally is a choice(s).
 
The United States is being invaded by a foreign occupier numbering in the 10s of millions. Members of our local, state, and federal government are aiding and abetting these foreign invaders. There is nothing far fetched in calling their actions treasonous and condemning them as traitors.

Many would have the illegals forcibly deported on the spot. Many others want illegals untouched and unharmed. Both sides are mutually exclusive, but the laws are contradictory and inconclusive. Most illegals remain here, and are simply harassed and forced to live as second class citizens under the torment of the former group.

After stating the obvious, the real pickle is what are we going to do about it? Neither side is going to get what they want, or is this a sign that open borders policy has won?
 
Brovane said:
Unfortunately some police departments started using these checkpoints as more of a grab fest for people's cars. They would then partner with certain towing companies and instead of concerns about public safety it would be more about how much money they can make out of impounding people's cars.
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And whats wrong with that?
 
eskimospy said:
Illegal immigrants can't get drivers licenses, which has always struck me as dumb. You're committing one crime, so we are going to force you to commit more? Who gains from that?
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Murder-then-rape is a good example, I think. Necrophilia is illegal, right?
 
If you're legally licensed to drive but happened to forget your license, then the police should be allowed to determine your ID and let you go if that's your only offense. If you don't have your driver's license because you can't get one due to your immigration status, then there's no sympathy for you getting arrested and having your car impounded.
 
Fucking Cedillo is always trying to pass laws to protect the illegal invaders. I guess it's due (at least in part) to his Hispanic ancestry...and wanting to hold on to the Hispanic vote...although, I still don't understand why people of Hispanic origin try so hard to protect the illegals...
 
her209 said:
If you're legally licensed to drive but happened to forget your license, then the police should be allowed to determine your ID and let you go if that's your only offense. If you don't have your driver's license because you can't get one due to your immigration status, then there's no sympathy for you getting arrested and having your car impounded.
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Forget impounded. If you're an illegal immigrant, the car becomes state property to be sold at auction, and you get shipped home.
 
A bill loaded with immigration politics and potential implications for highway safety has landed on Gov. Jerry Brown's desk.
The legislation by Assemblyman Gil Cedillo, D-Los Angeles, would change police procedures at drunken-driving checkpoints, prohibiting officers from arresting drivers and immediately impounding their cars if their only offense is not having a license.
Supporters say the bill, AB353, would impose a consistent policy statewide - some agencies confiscate unlicensed drivers' cars now, and some do not - while keeping DUI checkpoints from being turned into traps for otherwise law-abiding illegal immigrants who cannot obtain licenses.
"In most parts of California, you basically have to have a car," said Mark Silverman, director of immigration policy at the Immigrant Legal Resource Center. "You have to be able to drive to survive, to get anywhere. Because of that, the truth is, immigrant drivers without licenses will be driving anyway because of the necessity. The towing of cars will not stop people from driving."
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I would think that towing and impounding someone's car would actually prevent them from driving.
 
halik said:
I would think that towing and impounding someone's car would actually prevent them from driving.
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They're speaking in terms of punishment. Kind of like saying, "Capital punishment doesn't prevent people from committing murders."
 
eskimospy said:
Misleading thread title is misleading.

DUI checkpoints are there to check for drunk drivers, not as a blanket law enforcement checkpoint for any and all automotive infractions. (this is part of why they aren't unconstitutional to begin with) This also to all citizens of California, not simply illegal immigrants, and only applies at DUI checkpoints.

Illegal immigrants can't get drivers licenses, which has always struck me as dumb. You're committing one crime, so we are going to force you to commit more? Who gains from that?
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It's a way to filter them out of the system? Presumably no license also implies no insurance and I would bet the state has equally compelling interest to checkpoint for those.
 
her209 said:
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They're speaking in terms of punishment. Kind of like saying, "Capital punishment doesn't prevent people from committing murders."
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On a macro scale it does raise their cost of driving in expectation*, since presumably their impounded cars costs some money. So you'd expect less driving as a response to this policy.

* E(cost)= (probability of losing car * cost of the car)
 
I don't agree with this bill. Has it been signed by Brown?

LOL at "invaders" and "occupiers." Those characterizations say more about the people making them than the people being described.

- wolf
 
woolfe9999 said:
I don't agree with this bill. Has it been signed by Brown?

LOL at "invaders" and "occupiers." Those characterizations say more about the people making them than the people being described.

- wolf
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I would tend to agree with the above, whenever you take a Policy issue and turn it into a personal issue, you're going down a wrong path.

Vast majority of illegals are good, hardworking people that jumped the fence to find a better life. Positive or negative human interest stories (mother shipped back after 20 years / illegal murderer murdered again) have absolutely no impact on the *fact* that influx of large number of unskilled/uneducated people is bad for the country.

And before someone jumps on my throat for not saying undocumented or some such other euphemism, my status was "legal alien" per INS paperwork for 10 years.
 
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woolfe9999 said:
I don't agree with this bill. Has it been signed by Brown?
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He has not, yet, and I hope to God he doesn't.

While I don't think driving without a license should be a criminal charge, it definitely should be a civil infraction and if it is done with the commission of another crime (transporting illegal substances/people), it should definitely be an enhancement on that charge.

These checkpoints exist to catch people doing things they're not supposed to be doing...whether that's driving drunk or driving illegally, it doesn't matter. Don't want to get caught? Don't drive illegally.
 
bfdd said:
This bill needs to be vetoed because it doesn't fix the problem. OUT LAW CHECK POINTS!
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Yes, we should make it illegal for police to intervene in the commission of any crime because it infringes on the rights of the criminal to commit said crime.
 
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