So do you think the college town you live in SUCKS?????????

[Jhill]

Originally posted by: ZoNtO
Wow is right. I'm even Mormon, but that guy's an idiot. It's just like the Bikini Cuts that opened down the street from me a few years back. The community was in an outrage, and yet my fix was simply to not look in the stupid window.

Plus, isn't that why a lot of people even go to gym's in the first place?

I remember the whole Bikini Cuts fiasco. A girl cutting a guys hair in a bikini had to be STOPPED immediately or the whole state was going to go to hell is what I remember hearing. Even though the girls loved working there (big $$) and some guys loved getting a haircut from a nice girl in a bikini.

 

[MetalMat]

These people need to get out from under the rock and actually enjoy some things in life instead of complaining about that.

 

[engineereeyore]

Originally posted by: Jhill
Dude, you're really reaching now. I thought the church did have any effect on the laws in Utah? So why weigh in on this and throw their weight behind it? I don't see the church weighing in on speed limits or parking enforcement laws? Why just pick this one? That's right because this one fits their agenda.

No, you're dodging the facts. You have no ground to stand on on this one. You're claims are unfounded, unsupported, and flat out wrong. You're claiming that the church is too involved in politics, yet in your comment above you state that they don't weigh in on speeding limits and parking enforcement. If they did, I could definitely see you're claim. Yet the fact that they don't rather points out that your claim is ridiculous.

Sorry man, but you've lost all credibility on this one. Just make your derogatory comment about the gosh awful Mormons and move on.

 

[engineereeyore]

Originally posted by: Alistar7
They also have the right to stop paying to be a member of Gold's Gym and use the free workout facility offered by their college. Nobody is forcing them to frequent the establishment, watch those videos, or other people excerising. Maybe they should ask themselves why they find such strong sexual innuendo in areas most people simply do not.

I feel comfortable stating that most Americans have a problem with any religious group trying to enact changes based on their beliefs that will affect everyone.

Yes they do, and as I've stated several times already, that should be seen as a viable alternative. However, there is absolutely nothing legally wrong with what they are doing. They are well within their rights.

It's funny to me that you're are complaining about religious group enacting changes. Are they somehow not allowed rights? Are they not allowed to request changes? Even though the separation of church and state has no bearing here, as this is a business and not the government, the constitution still allows them to make the request.

And how is this affecting "everyone"? This involves one location, and they have just as much a right to request change as you do. They have as much right to go into Gold's Gym and not see that type of stuff as you do to go in a see it. Therefore, it becomes a matter for the corporation to decide. You're in the same boat as Jhill. You have no case on this. So I'll say the same thing to you that I did to him. Make your derogatory Mormon comment and just move on.

 

[BoomerD]

Possibly the only ones who don't think the Mormon church influences the Utah government are the Mormons...and they're in heavy denial. Are there activities that the church doesn't agree with? Sure, just like there are Mormons who actually drink beer.
"Why don't you take one Mormon fishing?"
Because he'll drink all your beer...if you take two (or more) Mormons fishing, they'll be afraid the other(s) will tell on them, and leave your beer alone!


We lived for about 3 years in the Salt Lick Valley. Mormons influenced EVERY aspect of life in Utah...Are they the MAJORITY? Not so much anymore, but they DO still wield power and influence. Sin Taxes used to be pretty high there...alcohol, tobacco, hell, when we were there, they were even pushing for a special tax on candy and gum...
It used to crack me up to hear Mormons cuss..."My heck", or if they were REALLY mad..."My Hell." some of the other variants on cuss words were also funny to me...

 

[Jhill]

Originally posted by: engineereeyore

Originally posted by: Jhill
Dude, you're really reaching now. I thought the church did have any effect on the laws in Utah? So why weigh in on this and throw their weight behind it? I don't see the church weighing in on speed limits or parking enforcement laws? Why just pick this one? That's right because this one fits their agenda.

No, you're dodging the facts. You have no ground to stand on on this one. You're claims are unfounded, unsupported, and flat out wrong. You're claiming that the church is too involved in politics, yet in your comment above you state that they don't weigh in on speeding limits and parking enforcement. If they did, I could definitely see you're claim. Yet the fact that they don't rather points out that your claim is ridiculous.

Sorry man, but you've lost all credibility on this one. Just make your derogatory comment about the gosh awful Mormons and move on.

Just defend your religion at all costs and move on. You are the one that is dodging the facts. What "facts" am I dodging? What part of this don't you get?

"" SALT LAKE CITY (AP) -- Utah's Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints doesn't want alcoholic malt beverages to be sold in stores.

The church put out a statement today saying it endorses a proposal to restrict sale of the 3.2-percent "alco-pops" to state liquor stores. "

How can you read that and say with a straight face that the mormon church doesn't try to effect the laws/government in Utah?

BTW: I have a lot of close family members that are mormon that I love. So it is not just ignorant mormon bashing. I never said the church is too involved in politics. They are too involved in politics that pushes their agenda. Again why is the church worried about some laws but the laws that don't have anything to do with religion they never speak about?

BTW: I actually live here so maybe it is a little clearer to me.

 

[engineereeyore]

Originally posted by: Jhill
Just defend your religion at all costs and move on. You are the one that is dodging the facts. What "facts" am I dodging? What part of this don't you get?

"" SALT LAKE CITY (AP) -- Utah's Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints doesn't want alcoholic malt beverages to be sold in stores.

The church put out a statement today saying it endorses a proposal to restrict sale of the 3.2-percent "alco-pops" to state liquor stores. "

The fact that you have nothing? That comment, regardless of the number of times you quote it, still shows absolutely nothing. You have yet to show anything that show the church effecting the law. That isn't even a law, it's a proposal. It wasn't written by the church, the church didn't hire someone to create it. All they said was we agree with it. That's it. And until you can somehow prove that their agreement with it automatically makes it a law, you're spouting crap. You've got no argument. Say what you want, but an endorsement doesn't make a law. Period.

How can you read that and say with a straight face that the mormon church doesn't try to effect the laws/government in Utah?

BTW: I have a lot of close family members that are mormon that I love. So it is not just ignorant mormon bashing. I never said the church is too involved in politics. They are too involved in politics that pushes their agenda. Again why is the church worried about some laws but the laws that don't have anything to do with religion they never speak about?

How can you say that and not see the blatant contradiction? So what? No religious organization should ever be allowed to take a stance on a particular issue? No religious person should ever be allowed to vote because they'll be pushing a religious agenda? You're out of your mind.

And did you even read the article? The church's entire reasoning is that it promotes underage drinking. It has nothing to do with an adult's right to drink. It respects the rights of individual to drink if they wish, but simply request that such beverages only be sold in liquor stores. So tell me, how is that in anyway infringing upon your rights? You can still buy it, so what's the problem?

BTW: I actually live here so maybe it is a little clearer to me.

BTW: I actually lived there for nearly 6 years, so maybe it's a little clearer to me than you think. Trust me, you're not as smart about the issue as you think. But I'm done. You whine and complain all you want. It won't make a difference.


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[Jhill]

Originally posted by: engineereeyore

Originally posted by: Jhill
Just defend your religion at all costs and move on. You are the one that is dodging the facts. What "facts" am I dodging? What part of this don't you get?

"" SALT LAKE CITY (AP) -- Utah's Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints doesn't want alcoholic malt beverages to be sold in stores.

The church put out a statement today saying it endorses a proposal to restrict sale of the 3.2-percent "alco-pops" to state liquor stores. "

The fact that you have nothing? That comment, regardless of the number of times you quote it, still shows absolutely nothing. You have yet to show anything that show the church effecting the law. That isn't even a law, it's a proposal. It wasn't written by the church, the church didn't hire someone to create it. All they said was we agree with it. That's it. And until you can somehow prove that their agreement with it automatically makes it a law, you're spouting crap. You've got no argument. Say what you want, but an endorsement doesn't make a law. Period.

How can you read that and say with a straight face that the mormon church doesn't trto effect the laws/government in Utah?

BTW: I have a lot of close family members that are mormon that I love. So it is not just ignorant mormon bashing. I never said the church is too involved in politics. They are too involved in politics that pushes their agenda. Again why is the church worried about some laws but the laws that don't have anything to do with religion they never speak about?

How can you say that and not see the blatant contradiction? So what? No religious organization should ever be allowed to take a stance on a particular issue? No religious person should ever be allowed to vote because they'll be pushing a religious agenda? You're out of your mind.

And did you even read the article? The church's entire reasoning is that it promotes underage drinking. It has nothing to do with an adult's right to drink. It respects the rights of individual to drink if they wish, but simply request that such beverages only be sold in liquor stores. So tell me, how is that in anyway infringing upon your rights? You can still buy it, so what's the problem?

BTW: I actually live here so maybe it is a little clearer to me.

BTW: I actually lived there for nearly 6 years, so maybe it's a little clearer to me than you think. Trust me, you're not as smart about the issue as you think. But I'm done. You whine and complain all you want. It won't make a difference.

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I guess it's purely coincidence that Utah has the strictest pornography and liquor laws in the nation and Utah is home to the LDS church.

Quite a coincidence if you ask me. And don't bring underage drinking into it. That is a total cop out. Some states have a program where they actually ID people buying alcohol.

Why can't an Adult legally own or rent a keg of beer in Utah? AN ADULT.
Why is it illegal to order a double shot of something in Utah even if you're an adult?
Why can't Adults buy real beer or wine at the grocery store?
Why can't an Adult buy a rum and coke in a bar without being a member of the bar and buying a membership?
Why are all Liquor stores owned and ran by Utah with no sales or discounts ever?



I realize your bishop is probably in bed by now, so you can't call him and ask him for advice so we will continue this conversation tomorrow.

Don't bring the underage crap in this conversation because it has nothing to do with it. If you honestly believe that the lds church doesn't effect laws in Utah you have your eyes closed. Period.

I realize you were born into this cult and it's up to you to protect it at all costs but my 8 year old lds (mormon) nephew could put out a better argument than you. He would at least be honest and say "Well mormons control this state and we make the laws, tough luck buddy" And I would probably agree with him and then we would throw the football around.

It would be a lot more honest than you and make a lot more sense than you have ever made in this thread. Maybe I'll bring it up with him tomorrow so I can actually have a decent argument about this.