So do i drop $850 on a used nikon d70 and lens kit!

[Koing]

Originally posted by: Antisocial-Virge

Originally posted by: Koing
The images are STUNNING but the low light performance with the kit lense is pretty poor. NOISE IS VERY GOOD and minimal BUT the images are darkish due to the F on the kit lense.

Koing

Night shot.
Shot with a kit lens without a tripod. Not a great shot but not bad with a 1/6s or 1/4s Shutter (can't remember) and no tripod.

I'm not dissing the D70 by no means just that I was suprised at the images lack of light when shooting with my V1 also. I advised my gf to get her D70 and the af-s D70 kit lense.

The situation needed a faster shutter time as that blurred the images I was taking at the time. The V1 did a better job because of the lense. BUT if the D70 has a faster lense it would have been NO COMPETITION but those lenses aren't cheap

Any other situation the D70 would have been miles ahead.

Koing

 

[Koing]

Originally posted by: Deadtrees
Koing//
Why are you comparing D70 over V1?
D70 is a dslr camera whereas V1 is a compact camera.

BTW,
When using compact cameras, you should always get light lens. Unlike dslr cameras, you can't really up the ISO level due to its small sensor creating too much noise. Dslr cameras wouldn't really have much of problems with F4 lens as ISO level of 1600 can be used. However, compact cameras produce a lot more noise in ISO 400 level and usually that's the highest level of ISO in most of compact cameras.
Once compact cameras passes F3, it's a nightmare when taking indoor shots.

I'm not comparing.

I was just saying that the V1 shoots less dark images then the D70 with the kit lense (not the cheaper kit lense) with no flash and with not a slow shutter speed.

Of course the D70 with a better lense would do better but you have to factor in the price of a lense.

I'd like to go the way of a DSLR but the price and the lense prices . Also the sheer size so a pocket camera suits me better at the moment but I have to live with the lack of speed amd manual controls unless you want a bigger camera etc.

Koing

 

[Lucky]

I don't think you read the right post about those issues.

About the initial quality problems? Yeah, I did. You listed four problems that haven't been an issue for ages. Show me a recent post on any forum complaining about those problems.

And, Canon does produce vivid colors in 'compact cameras'.
It's just a personal preference. I'm not saying that's better or the other way around. It's just the way it is.

According to whom? It's not "just the way it is" unless you can produce comparison shots and pointed commentary from reputable websites. Taking a 10 minute look on dpreview, I don't see any references to models from either Nikon or Canon producing colors "more vivid" than the other.

Oh and Nikon glass sure is as good as Canon glass, but once we talk about L lens, it's different.

Ah, not really man. I'm a professional photographer who has use glass from both companies extensively. You do realize that Nikon produces pro-grade glass as well, yes?

And please, don't be a fanboy.

Must be an echo in here...

Nikon's D70 does have flaws. It's a known fact with various sample pictures from real people. Even Nikon admitted it. Why can't you?

SHOW US ANYTHING RECENT CONCERNING THESE "SERIOUS FLAWS". The four points your discussed in a prior post are old news pal. The only optical problem I know of still affects D70's coming out of the factory is a bit of moiré under certain circumstances. Certainly nothing that kept it from being named camera of the year by many publications.

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Once compact cameras passes F3, it's a nightmare when taking indoor shots.

What in the world are you talking about? You act as though every indoor shot is taken inside a windowless room with no lights. At 400 under average lights at night, f/2.8 will give you around 1/30 of a second, which although is on the edge of introducing camera shake for most people, is still adequate. Daytime images inside, or under typical flourescents will give you at least 1/60 at f/4 no problem. I don't really understand what you are talking about. Although most compacts do not produce exceptional quality at 400iso, it's good enough for the vast majority of people. And if you really notice it that much, then maybe you shouldn't be using a point and shoot...

 

[Sketcher]

Originally posted by: Deadtrees
Be glad that you got Nikon. With Canon and their L lens line-ups, you would live with the tempation and that it becomes painful.

Anyway, you'll soon find yourself wanting more lenes that cost more than a couple thousand dollars then more professional DSLRs.

Nikon has Nikkor (which, depending on the aperture and focal length are often more expensive than Canon's "L" series)

 

[AndrewR]

Lucky, quick question: Does Nikon produce tilt/swivel lenses for their SLRs? I had never heard of that lens (still a newbie), but the effect is pretty awesome and fits into shots I really like (foreground subject with background in focus for landscapes). This is a long way off for me, but I was focusing (pun intended, sorry) on Canon because of their DSLR t/s lenses. I couldn't find comparable ones from Nikon (looked at bhphotovideo.com), but I'd love to be able to choose a body from either.

 

[edro]

Buy it! You can always sell it if you get hard up for cash... Nikon stuff does not lose it's value very much.

 

[So]

Topic Title: So do i drop $850 on a used nikon d70 and lens kit!
Topic Summary: argh money just sifts though my fingers like sand

I wonder why...

 

[Lucky]

Originally posted by: AndrewR
Lucky, quick question: Does Nikon produce tilt/swivel lenses for their SLRs? I had never heard of that lens (still a newbie), but the effect is pretty awesome and fits into shots I really like (foreground subject with background in focus for landscapes). This is a long way off for me, but I was focusing (pun intended, sorry) on Canon because of their DSLR t/s lenses. I couldn't find comparable ones from Nikon (looked at bhphotovideo.com), but I'd love to be able to choose a body from either.

Nikon has two TS lenses: click here. But they are old and with the crop factor do not work as well with DSLR's. And they are out of production. Your best bet is to buy something called a lensbabie. It's a $100 manual lens that allows for all sorts of creative freedom. Read hereand here for some discussion on them. The first manufacturer's link has some great galleries as well.

Although I may not be understanding your question completely correct. Please tell me if I was helpful.

 

[ScottMac]

I just bought a D70. I love it.

There's a firmware upgrade on the Nikon site (~middle of last year) for the older models (mine was already current).

I've been doing film for decades. I stared with some Nikon FTNs, sold 'em when I was young & stupid (about vcollege age), got some Cannon equipment in the Navy (which I stll have ... an A1, an F1 and a bag full of lenses and accessories).

While I was shopping, I talked to a number of people at the camera stores; with no exceptions, they recommended the D70 over the comparable Cannon. Some said that folks that bought the Cannon brought it back to get the next model up because they found the '20 to be deficient or lacking features they decided they needed.

Camearas at this price point have a number of standing adjustments for color temp / white balance, metering adjustments, and pretty much any other parameter for adjusting the system to your style and typical content.

Looking at a couple shots (some of yours versus some samples) is like walking into a Stereo shop and buying a speaker system after listening for 30 seconds.

I'm sure both cameras (Canon and Nikon ... probably Minolta, Fuji, and most all the others) are pretty well equal at most levels. It's just a matter of finding one that feels good to you, can be adjusted to fit your need, and in the case of DSLRs, has a good selection of the kind of accessories you'll likely to be wanting (it doesn't matter if one has a banana 5000 ultra super lens if it's not a lens you'd use or can afford).

I'm happy with the Nikon. I'll probably pick up a compatible film-based body to share the lenses and accessories with. I'm keeping the Canons though, I like their old cameras, they're comfortable.


FWIW

Scott

 

[BullsOnParade]

All right got it. Will update periodically as i figure out how to use this puppy.

 

[toant103]

Originally posted by: Twista
eat cat and dog food to survive

cost more than normal food?

 

[So]

Originally posted by: toant103

Originally posted by: Twista
eat cat and dog food to survive

cost more than normal food?

*sssssshhhh*

If he's willing to spend his food money on a camera he won't notice that, plus we'll get some funny 'my cat food tastels like crap!' threads

 

[Doggiedog]

Nice price.

I just bought a Canon EOS 20D myself.