So close...yet so far

Stumps

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A lot of American's might not know that the number one selling car in the large family sedan market (read, Australian performance market) is the Ford Falcon/Fairmont.

We've had them since 1960 and after we ditched the American built versions from 1960 to 1963 they became really nice cars...comfortable, reliable and reasonably powerful.

During the late 60's and early 70's we had like America did the horse power wars, which saw the Falcon come out on top of other Aussie made cars, mainly GMH and Chrysler model, with the 1971 XY Falcon GTHO Phase 3 which put out a whopping 390hp from it's 5.8litre Cleveland V8 and was capable of low 14 second 1/4miles and a top speed of over 150mph.

While this horse power war was wage the humble base model Falcon and it's up market Fairmont version where refined with the 1971 version having it's inline 6 cylinder stretched out to 4.1litres (250cu), which would remain like that till 1988.

This 6 cylinder while no power house made an honest 155hp and apart from receiving a Honda built Cross flow alloy head and electric ignition in late 1979 and EFI in 1982, has never really changed and has proven itself over countless miles as a rugged and reliable unit....same for the V8's which a lot of American are familiar with and know them as the Windsor which was used from 1966 to 1971 and the mighty Cleveland which powered V8 Falcons and Fairmont?s from 1970 to 1982.

Same can be said for the transmission and Differential, while the V8's where fitted with the famous Top loader 4spd or C4 and FMX 3 spd auto's and the beefy 9 inch diff, the humble six made do with a Borg Warner Single rail 4 spd or Borg Warner 35/40 3spd Auto and Borg Warner 78 series diffs, and like the 6 cylinder they are rugged and reliable.

In 1988 the Falcon was given a major overhaul and a completely new design was built.
This had improvement such as a 3.9litre OHC inline 6 which put out a nice 190hp, a T5 5spd Manual and a new BTR 4spd auto.

Since 1988 the Falcon has under gone a few changes including an increase in engine size from 3.9litre to 4litres, an EFI V8 was introduced in 1992, in 2002 the Falcon received a DOHC cylinder head and a Turbo was added to it's inline 6 to give 320hp, the V8 is now a mustang based 5.4litre DOHC which make 300hp in base form and 390 in Boss form.
The manual and automatic gearboxes are now both 6 spds making the Falcon a really refined car.

The Falcon itself is a well built and rugged car capable of handling any punishment that the Aussie outback can throw at it....except one little irritating thing...and this for me and many Ford Falcon owner's prevents the big Ford from being the perfect car.

Why oh why must we suffer these horrid door handles? We have engines and drivelines that can last over 600,000km's but these doors handle that break as soon as you glance sideways at them.

What makes matters worse their extremely difficult and painful to replace...nothing like be able to do a basic service of a Falcon in a hour or so, but take 2 or 3 hours to replace one bloody door handle...sure Ford could have figured out this problem back in 1972 when it first started occurring...but NOOOOO it still happens, even on 2006 Falcon's.

It bloody pisses me off that first I have to spend AU$20 on the handle and then cut the crap out of my hands to fit it...only to have it break 15 minutes later in exactly the same place that the one I took off did.

Figures...the perfect car may never exist...so close, yet so far.

Here is a picture of my rusty, but trusty 1986 Ford XF Falcon S Pack

http://pics.bbzzdd.com/users/Stumps/DSC00457.JPG

specs :

4.1Litre (250cu) Inline 6 cylinder, rated at about 190hp (uprated Camshaft, exhaust system and EFI system)
3spd Borg Warner Model 40 auto
2.77:1 Borg Warner 78 series Diff

It's nothing special and has over 600,000 original kays on it but it still can crack 200km/h on a good day.

 

Sluggo

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Hmmm, guess you havent seen the new LS460, as close to car perfection as you can get for < $100,000.

And yes, that was on opinion, if you dont agree, I really dont care.
 

Stumps

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Originally posted by: Sluggo
Hmmm, guess you havent seen the new LS460, as close to car perfection as you can get for < $100,000.

And yes, that was on opinion, if you dont agree, I really dont care.

do the door handles break?
 
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At least you can buy a Falcon instead of that crap Ford passes off for vehicles on this side of the ocean. :p

And if a Ford shill/marketdroid/etc is reading this, bring the motherf*cking Falcon the hell over to North America. Don't touch it. Just make it compliant with safety. That's it. No redesign, no fancy packages, nothing. And make mine bright blue.

- M4H
 

Stumps

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Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire
At least you can buy a Falcon instead of that crap Ford passes off for vehicles on this side of the ocean. :p

And if a Ford shill/marketdroid/etc is reading this, bring the motherf*cking Falcon the hell over to North America. Don't touch it. Just make it compliant with safety. That's it. No redesign, no fancy packages, nothing. And make mine bright blue.

- M4H

Whats funny is Ford America tried to get Ford Australia to replace the Falcon with the Taurus in the mid 90's....IIRC the American executives were laughed out of the Ford Australia headquaters...especially after a trail of the Taurus saw it fail miserbly in Australian conditions...I think less than 1500 were ever sold here....man they were ugly cars.



 

Sluggo

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Originally posted by: Stumps
Originally posted by: Sluggo
Hmmm, guess you havent seen the new LS460, as close to car perfection as you can get for < $100,000.

And yes, that was on opinion, if you dont agree, I really dont care.

do the door handles break?

No, no they dont. Full lifetime warranty on door handles, guaranteed by the full faith and backing of the government of the Rising Sun.
 

Stumps

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Originally posted by: Sluggo
Originally posted by: Stumps
Originally posted by: Sluggo
Hmmm, guess you havent seen the new LS460, as close to car perfection as you can get for < $100,000.

And yes, that was on opinion, if you dont agree, I really dont care.

do the door handles break?

No, no they dont. Full lifetime warranty on door handles, guaranteed by the full faith and backing of the government of the Rising Sun.

damn...It's one up on the falcon then...you don't even get any warranty with replacements purchased from ford.
 

Stumps

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Originally posted by: doze
Any pics of your falcon? The 2006 models look nice but what's up with this Just as bad as our Sport Trac here in the US

I'll try to get some up later...but it's nothing special, just a plain white 1986 XF Falcon S park with chrome Dragways on it and a few dings.

Whats up with the FALCON UTE...it's just the utility version of the sedan...nothing more nothing less.....trusty work horse of the Australian Farmer and builder.

oh and we don't get coupes over(except the Monaro but it's even gone way of the dodo now) so instead we just turn utes into sports coupes, pretty much the same thing only with out a lockup boot(Trunk).
 

Sluggo

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Originally posted by: doze
Any pics of your falcon? The 2006 models look nice but what's up with this Just as bad as our Sport Trac here in the US

You mean you havent heard Dug777 rant on and on about the amazing power of the ute?

I looked throught the same site and was surprised to see Ford Super Duty pick-ups there, basically the exact same product they sell here.
 

Stumps

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Originally posted by: Sluggo
Originally posted by: doze
Any pics of your falcon? The 2006 models look nice but what's up with this Just as bad as our Sport Trac here in the US

You mean you havent heard Dug777 rant on and on about the amazing power of the ute?

I looked throught the same site and was surprised to see Ford Super Duty pick-ups there, basically the exact same product they sell here.

Yeah we get the big effies here too, mainly the big turbo diesel versions...they do the jobs the Falcon ute is too small to do(tow multi axle horse floats any one?)

one question about the F series trucks....do they catch on fire as easily in the US as they do here?
 

SketchMaster

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Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire
At least you can buy a Falcon instead of that crap Ford passes off for vehicles on this side of the ocean. :p

- M4H

It seems like the USA gets all the crap cars now.
 

Stumps

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Originally posted by: SketchMaster
Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire
At least you can buy a Falcon instead of that crap Ford passes off for vehicles on this side of the ocean. :p

- M4H

It seems like the USA gets all the crap cars now.

why is that?

do American worker take pride in the cars that they assemble?

I know that working for one of the Aussie car manufacturer here is something to be proud of and we take great pride in the cars we assemble...so much now that the latest Falcons and yes even the Commodore get compare to BMW's and Mecedes in Build Quality....and yet I have seen a few Late model mustangs getting about and even the import f series trucks and they look like they have been assembled by blind workers missing both their arms....now don't get me wrong, I love the look of a lot of US cars and have wished that we built something similar to the mustang and corvette here...but your build quality is pretty piss poor....although not quite as bad as some of the Korean junk we have been getting here lately.
 

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Originally posted by: Stumps
Originally posted by: Sluggo
Originally posted by: doze
Any pics of your falcon? The 2006 models look nice but what's up with this Just as bad as our Sport Trac here in the US

You mean you havent heard Dug777 rant on and on about the amazing power of the ute?

I looked throught the same site and was surprised to see Ford Super Duty pick-ups there, basically the exact same product they sell here.

Yeah we get the big effies here too, mainly the big turbo diesel versions...they do the jobs the Falcon ute is too small to do(tow multi axle horse floats any one?)

one question about the F series trucks....do they catch on fire as easily in the US as they do here?


Some do. My brother was on his way to our mom's house, and about three houses before he pulled in, he noticed smoke coming from a truck parked in this guy's driveway. He gets out, starts pounding on the guy's door. Guy had no idea his truck was burning up. Fire department came, I think the truck was totaled. That was an F-series Ford. It was the switch issue that's come up before - I can't remember if it was brake or cruise control related.
 

Stumps

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Originally posted by: spigot
Originally posted by: Stumps
Originally posted by: Sluggo
Originally posted by: doze
Any pics of your falcon? The 2006 models look nice but what's up with this Just as bad as our Sport Trac here in the US

You mean you havent heard Dug777 rant on and on about the amazing power of the ute?

I looked throught the same site and was surprised to see Ford Super Duty pick-ups there, basically the exact same product they sell here.

Yeah we get the big effies here too, mainly the big turbo diesel versions...they do the jobs the Falcon ute is too small to do(tow multi axle horse floats any one?)

one question about the F series trucks....do they catch on fire as easily in the US as they do here?


Some do. My brother was on his way to our mom's house, and about three houses before he pulled in, he noticed smoke coming from a truck parked in this guy's driveway. He gets out, starts pounding on the guy's door. Guy had no idea his truck was burning up. Fire department came, I think the truck was totaled. That was an F-series Ford. It was the switch issue that's come up before - I can't remember if it was brake or cruise control related.

In the past 12 months, I've seen 3 F250's burn to the ground on my way back from Sydney, I was following one guy and he started swerving all of the road and managed to pull and get out before it went up in flames.

He said it was running fine one minute, the next he noticed the temp guage hit the roof and then there were flames pouring from under the front end.

freaky stuff.
 

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Originally posted by: Stumps
Originally posted by: SketchMaster
Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire
At least you can buy a Falcon instead of that crap Ford passes off for vehicles on this side of the ocean. :p

- M4H

It seems like the USA gets all the crap cars now.

why is that?

do American worker take pride in the cars that they assemble?

I know that working for one of the Aussie car manufacturer here is something to be proud of and we take great pride in the cars we assemble...so much now that the latest Falcons and yes even the Commodore get compare to BMW's and Mecedes in Build Quality....and yet I have seen a few Late model mustangs getting about and even the import f series trucks and they look like they have been assembled by blind workers missing both their arms....now don't get me wrong, I love the look of a lot of US cars and have wished that we built something similar to the mustang and corvette here...but your build quality is pretty piss poor....although not quite as bad as some of the Korean junk we have been getting here lately.

Most american auto workers care about a paycheck only, and the unions allow them to do substandard work and get paid more than they deserve. Not all American cars are even assembled in America. My focus was assembled in Mexico. The latest body style Mustang looks nice but is nothing special in build quality. Korean cars are built to be as cheap as possible end of story.
 

SketchMaster

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I really don't know why, Stumps. I never read into it much but I'm sure someone will chime in here soon.

All I really want is for some nice (affordable) diesel cars to start shipping over here. There are cars running on diesel that get almost 80MPG, the best we got is VW's cars and they stopped making the golf this year.
 

Nik

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Why can't somebody build the perfect car?

Because that would require everyone in the world wanting the same exact things. It'll never happen.