So Berkeley types want to explain this away?

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http://www.eastbayexpress.com/ebx/berkeley-high-may-cut-out-science-labs/Content?oid=1536705

Berkeley High School is considering a controversial proposal to eliminate science labs and the five science teachers who teach them to free up more resources to help struggling students.
The proposal to put the science-lab cuts on the table was approved recently by Berkeley High's School Governance Council, a body of teachers, parents, and students who oversee a plan to change the structure of the high school to address Berkeley's dismal racial achievement gap, where white students are doing far better than the state average while black and Latino students are doing worse.
Paul Gibson, an alternate parent representative on the School Governance Council, said that information presented at council meetings suggests that the science labs were largely classes for white students. He said the decision to consider cutting the labs in order to redirect resources to underperforming students was virtually unanimous.
Science teachers were understandably horrified by the proposal. "The majority of the science department believes that this major policy decision affecting the entire student body, the faculty, and the community has been made without any notification, without a hearing," said Mardi Sicular-Mertens, the senior member of Berkeley High School's science department, at last week's school board meeting.
Sincular-Mertens, who has taught science at BHS for 24 years, said the possible cuts will impact her black students as well. She says there are twelve African-American males in her AP classes and that her four environmental science classes are 17.5 percent African American and 13.9 percent Latino. "As teachers, we are greatly saddened at the thought of losing the opportunity to help all of our students master the skills they need to find satisfaction and success in their education," she told the board.
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The full plan to close the racial achievement gap by altering the structure of the high school is known as the High School Redesign. It will come before the Berkeley School Board as an information item at its January 13 meeting. Generally, such agenda items are passed without debate, but if the school board chooses to play a more direct role in the High School Redesign, it could bring the item back as an action item at a future meeting.
School district spokesman Mark Coplan directed inquiries about the redesign to Richard Ng, the principal's assistant at Berkeley High and member of the School Governance Council. Ng did not return repeated calls for comment.

Cliffs:
Science labs are for white students.
Minority students aren't doing well.
Eliminate the "inequity" by eliminating the labs.
Money will go for "other" programs, not to bring minorities up to speed so they can participate.

???
Profit!

Equality by seeking the lowest common denominator is stupid, but it's "fair" it seems.

Someone want to explain this thinking away?
 

Blackjack200

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I don't get it, what am I supposed to "explain away"? What's a "Berkeley type"? I'd like to see the school close their racial acheivement gap, and I'd like the science labs to remain open, that's about all I can come up with after reading a very limited account of the issue.
 

1prophet

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Globalization will end up fixing this nonsense if America doesn't fix it first.
 

mav451

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Academics has alot to do with self-discipline and perseverance. You can't teach work ethic. And considering that the environmental classes have 30%+ minorities in them - the high school is just shooting themselves in the foot.
 

DesiPower

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redistribution of knowledge... WOW that a new! inspired by Obama's redistribution of wealth - are we?
I have heard a lot about students being rewarded for being bright and hard working - this will be a first where...
I would run away from an ISD and even the city which comes up with such a brilliant idea and never look back.
 

yllus

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Reminds me of the Afrocentric Alternative School that was started up last year here in Toronto, Canada. Your situation is worse, but ultimately both depend on whether or not the school board and teachers do things correctly.

'Separate But Equal' Vs. 'Integrated But Failing'

The TDSB is careful to insist that students of all races will be welcome at the new Africademy, but this can only be considered a cop-out. That said, the "separate but equal" tag really has no relevance for Canada. When it comes to black youths, we have no history of segregation to apologize for -- or to get hung up on. It seems there are many in Toronto's black community who are willing to give this "separate but equal" thing a try as a substitute for "integrated but failing."

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But if the community proposals that led the TDSB to sign off on the idea of black schools count for anything in the actual implementation, there may be hope. The black parents insisted on ensuring that teachers establish a suitable context of world history for tales of stories of black struggle and success. They demanded the conscious separation of "black culture" from gangsterism, calling for school uniforms and a code of etiquette.

They insisted -- though one suspects it will be overlooked -- that teacher compensation should be linked to student achievement data. And they made the completely unobjectionable suggestion that black role models from the fields of "wealth creation, entrepreneurship, science, and academia" be examined in order to counter the "current societal emphasis" on black sportsmen and entertainers.

Skeptics should ask themselves two questions before denouncing the plan. What if it works? And if it doesn't, how much more harm can be done than the existing schools are already doing?
 

jackschmittusa

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Sounds like a stupid plan by stupid people.

How can someone's mind work to not only conceive of and support such a plan, and not feel that they would be publicly embarrassed by it.

Yeah, stupid fits.
 

Red Dawn

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I'm still trying to figure out what a "Berkeley type" is. Is it some smelly Hippie in a tie died tshirt?
 

dyna

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They managed to implement their plan using methods that requires no debate. They want to remove classes that they call white classes to non-white classes. Hypocrites?
 

Moonbeam

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http://www.eastbayexpress.com/ebx/berkeley-high-may-cut-out-science-labs/Content?oid=1536705



Cliffs:
Science labs are for white students.
Minority students aren't doing well.
Eliminate the "inequity" by eliminating the labs.
Money will go for "other" programs, not to bring minorities up to speed so they can participate.

???
Profit!

Equality by seeking the lowest common denominator is stupid, but it's "fair" it seems.

Someone want to explain this thinking away?

I just explained this to you in the health care thread, on one of the many. I told you the poor would destroy the haves if they feel the system is unfair.

Why should the privilaged get science education if there isn't enough for remedial education? One fuck you deserves another, right, or if not, show me a place where that doesn't happen.
 

Moonbeam

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The party of death has created a race to the bottom, and the bottom is on its way.
 

shiner

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I'm still trying to figure out what a "Berkeley type" is. Is it some smelly Hippie in a tie died tshirt?

The "Berkeley Type" is someone that believes non whites(excluding Asians however) are entitled to be lazy and stupid because they aren't white.

Which somehow isn't racist at all because they are trying to "help" in their own demented way.
 

Moonbeam

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I'm still trying to figure out what a "Berkeley type" is. Is it some smelly Hippie in a tie died tshirt?

I could pass for one, Berkeley type, that is, not smelly Hippie. You could too, you lived here. You too are Homo Californicus, the next wave of advanced human.
 

Moonbeam

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The "Berkeley Type" is someone that believes non whites(excluding Asians however) are entitled to be lazy and stupid because they aren't white.

Which somehow isn't racist at all because they are trying to "help" in their own demented way.

No, you racist assholes destroyed their self respect and so they feel you owe them. You do, by the way, or they will make you pay. Law of nature, sucka!
 

Jaskalas

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I could pass for one, Berkeley type, that is, not smelly Hippie. You could too, you lived here. You too are Homo Californicus, the next wave of advanced human.

So advanced you don't need science labs. Leave those to the poor Chinese, who we can import.
 

Red Dawn

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I could pass for one, Berkeley type, that is, not smelly Hippie. You could too, you lived here. You too are Homo Californicus, the next wave of advanced human.
I never lived in Berekely which is unlike any other city in CA besides Santa Cruz and Santa Cruz has beaches and barely clothed women so at least there is a reason to visit it. Berekely is a shithole,without it's great University it wouldn't even be noticed.
 

Hacp

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High School science labs are really pretty useless. That money could have gone into more math teachers. Math after all is the foundation for most modern sciences.

Btw I don't know why people call geology environmental science. Geology is geology!
 

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The "Berkeley Type" is someone that believes non whites(excluding Asians however) are entitled to be lazy and stupid because they aren't white.

Which somehow isn't racist at all because they are trying to "help" in their own demented way.

I guess they could try the Republican way, where you defund the schools, use lower student performance as a justification to segregate the students, and lynch anyone that gets upset about it.