So basically, Conroe is another Northwood situation again

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Maethor

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I think that this forum is a little fanboy heavy on both sides. Yes for those purely one track gamers who do nothing else and have an X2 or 2.4gz a64 There is little point in upgrading cpus now until the new video cards come out. But for most of us this is not the case so it is dependent on case by case. For instance, RTS and MMORPG type games tend to rely more on the CPU than your single player type games. Also for some of us that do things while we game having a effiecient dual core solution is wonderful. I for one do alot of video converting and burning so I like the ability to do this while I game. I also play mmorpgs and use chat programs such as ventrillo and other programs running in the background so the ability to access these programs quickly and multitask is helpful. I also know many people who run to instances of a game on the same computer to bot and for them the conroe is a godsend.

I know that some gamers dont see improvement because they are running at gpu caps but for the majority of us thats not the case. I for one can not stand a monitor bigger than a 20/21 inch wide or regular screen as for the games I play and work I do this is distracting and annoying so i am not gpu bound when running at max settings but am CPU bound. only about 3-5% of the gaming population is even close to being gpu bound because we dont have screens that support 1600 by 1200 or larger.

Here is a little guide on who should generally upgrade

upgrade will increase performance a good amount
if you have dual 7950 GTX or better or plan on upgrading GPU soon and play the latest and greatest games only
you plan on upgrading your entire pc
if you do video editing or converting and need faster times
if you multitask CPU intensive programs.
if you run two instances of any games or game while using cpu intensive programs
feel must always play at maximum settings
use a monitor that requires you to turn your head to see all of that needs a professional tool to get colors to match properly
dont have a fx 50 or 62 processor and meet one of above criteria

dont upgrade cpu
if you have a gpu equal or less than a 7900 GTX and dont plan on upgrading in 6+ months
if you have at least a 2.4ghz A64 or better and dont meet above criteria
dont have to play at maximum settings in a game
dont own a 24 inch or large widescreen monitor (which btw distort colors alot of the time)
already have a fx 60/62 ect and dont just like spending money for the hell of it

If you feel i have made any errors just state what you believe them to be and I will gladly change it, provided you have compelling evidence.


Just for your information I am planning on upgrading to conroe in about a month and a half because i need the extra processing power and meet 3 of the top criteria I plan on doing an entire rehaul of my cpu soon because of an upcoming game i wish to play will require more power than what I have. I just think this is a stupid argument. Yes pure gamers would be better off buying a x2 4200 or better if they drop to the same price as the lower end conroes because they wont see much improvement but a good majority of the population will see a huge improvement. I for one am an engineering student a gamer who runs cpu intensive programs in the background so I have need of the processing power.

BTW to any mmorpg gamer if you dont think conroe is worth it can you say frapps + teampeak/vent + max settings + all your messengers and other programs you might want to run while you game.
 

redbox

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You bring up some good points I like to game alot but I also run file sharing and video encoding and the like. I also like mmorpg. What I would like to see is some benches with conroe that focus on mulitasking while playing a game. What performance benifits would there be between the X2 and the C2D while multitasking?

I also think you should put the people who have good DDR into your equation. I am planning on upgrading my video card when the DX10 parts come out. I already have good ram, and part of the reason I don't want to upgrade to conroe right now is I don't want to buy a new motherboard, cpu, and ram. I am sure the conroe will help with the new video card but I don't think it would be worth the extra money I am looking at with a motherboard, and ram switch.

However, if the conroe helps a ton with multitasking over an X2 I will probably make the jump for it. It would have to be about a 40% increase in performance while multitasking though for me to make the switch.
 

Maethor

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I look forward to being able to game while I encode and eat pie. ahah :evil: the world will be mine. I know I plan on upgrading because I use an older single core AMD 2800+ that I have just beat the life out of for the last 4 years destined to become a server. Me I am probably going to wait for the first big price drop on the conroes after about a month I will probably upgrade. I do want to see some real mmorpg benchmarks as well as some multitasking benchmarks like a encode or burn while playing fear hehe
 

yacoub

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Originally posted by: Crusader
For the average gamer here though, it makes little sense unless you have a SLI/Xfire rig. Even then its not mindblowing.. if you have a 3800+ or above A64 as Brent Justice stated here http://enthusiast.hardocp.com/article.html?art=MTAwMiwxNiwsaGVudGh1c2lhc3Q=

Originally posted by: Brent Justice
For our died-in-the-wool gamers that are spending a few hundred dollars or more on your high end video cards, make sure your AMD Athlon 64 processors are at least 2.4GHz in processor speed, and your Intel processors clock in at least at the 3.2GHz mark. If you let your CPUs fall below these levels, odds are that you are not using your GPU to its fullest ability.

I have nothing against Conroe, or AMD.. but I am sticking with Brents (still relevant) suggestion as far as CPUs relate to GPU scaling.

That was written before C2D was released. No longer will you have to stay above 3.2GHz for Intel.

How incompetent can one be to not realize that.

I'm sure the dyed-in-the-wool Intel fanboys though want everyone to run out and buy one of these chips...

Oh, right: You're just trolling as usual.

FWIW, I haven't owned an Intel chip since my P3-800, so don't bother trying to label me.