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So, are American highways really this bad?

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Just take a look at some of the recommendations that THIS site gives.

Are things really that bad down there? 🙂

It would suck like hell if things up here in Canada ever got to the point where you should be afraid of taking some exits cause of a bad neighbourhood, or that you should carry mace in the car with you in case some ganster tries to carjack you or pulls a gun on you. Although, last week someone got out of his car to talk to someone that was following him and he got run down by the other guy so crap like that happens up here sometimes too (Although there's certainly not a neighbourhood around here that I'd be afraid of at night, even on foot). The offender probably won't get more than a few years :|
 
You gotta watch out for renegade curling stones up in Canada, eh 😉

They do some nasty damage to your front-end.
 


<< Just take a look at some of the recommendations that THIS site gives.

Are things really that bad down there? 🙂

It would suck like hell if things up here in Canada ever got to the point where you should be afraid of taking some exits cause of a bad neighbourhood, or that you should carry mace in the car with you in case some ganster tries to carjack you or pulls a gun on you. Although, last week someone got out of his car to talk to someone that was following him and he got run down by the other guy so crap like that happens up here sometimes too (Although there's certainly not a neighbourhood around here that I'd be afraid of at night, even on foot). The offender probably won't get more than a few years :| >>



In big cities....yeah. I mean, it should be common sense not to drive the family benz/lexus/bimmer/insert rich person vehicle here straight thru the projects...but usually, us americans don't pull out those kinds of weapons, unless there is a severe case of road rage, or you expect to be in a fight sometime soon...
 
Uh, no. It's not nearly that bad here unless you go through a slum. There are some areas here that a person should not walk through at night alone, but by and large things are OK.

ZV
 
heh. Well it could have to do with the way american cities are designed. Most of them lean a lot more on cars and urban sprawl while canadian cities are heavily centralized (and a significant amount of people use public transit in the city - its not just for "poor" people but is a smart choice for many people especially students like me 🙂). Unlike LA which just eats up thousands of square miles of faceless suburbs 😉
Over here, you won't get in trouble for going in any neighbourhood at night but some of the drivers are quite nuts (though probably not as nuts as in places like cali)
 


<< Most of them lean a lot more on cars and urban sprawl while canadian cities are heavily centralized (and a significant amount of people use public transit in the city - its not just for "poor" people but is a smart choice for many people especially students like me ). Unlike LA which just eats up thousands of square miles of faceless suburbs >>



That's an absolute crock of sh|t. I've seen plenty of sprawl in Canada from Windsor through Ottawa, including Niagara Falls and Toronto. Lots of strip malls and 6 lane highways. I bet the population density of the Los Angeles area (not including the vast deserts in Los Angeles county that are unpopulated), is higher than that of any Canadian metro area.

Perhaps the ethnic French in Quebec are particularly stupid, and prefer to trudge everywhere in 6 feet of snow, but from what I've seen of Ontario, folks there are just as dependent on cars as people who live in the U.S. Moreover, in Canada you don't have any densely populated areas like New York City, or San Fransisco, or Boston, where it's actually viable to have public transportation (i.e. one that actually turns a profit) or walk to work.

And yes, if you get off an expressway exit in the ghetto (after passing 99 non-ghetto exits), while riding around in your Rolls-Royce, and then pull over at the dirtiest street corner you see, and then go around calling people "awesome people" and bragging about how great you are at curling, eventually you will get beat up, or - preferably - have your brains blown out. Is that the point you are trying to make? Well, God damn, I guess Canada must be the greatest country in the world then. You'd better stay up there.
 


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<< Most of them lean a lot more on cars and urban sprawl while canadian cities are heavily centralized (and a significant amount of people use public transit in the city - its not just for "poor" people but is a smart choice for many people especially students like me ). Unlike LA which just eats up thousands of square miles of faceless suburbs >>



That's an absolute crock of sh|t. I've seen plenty of sprawl in Canada from Windsor through Ottawa, including Niagara Falls and Toronto. Lots of strip malls and 6 lane highways. I bet the population density of the Los Angeles area (not including the vast deserts in Los Angeles county that are unpopulated), is higher than that of any Canadian metro area.

Perhaps the ethnic French in Quebec are particularly stupid, and prefer to trudge everywhere in 6 feet of snow, but from what I've seen of Ontario, folks there are just as dependent on cars as people who live in the U.S. Moreover, in Canada you don't have any densely populated areas like New York City, or San Fransisco, or Boston, where it's actually viable to have public transportation (i.e. one that actually turns a profit) or walk to work.

And yes, if you get off an expressway exit in the ghetto (after passing 99 non-ghetto exits), while riding around in your Rolls-Royce, and then pull over at the dirtiest street corner you see, and then go around calling people "awesome people" and bragging about how great you are at curling, eventually you will get beat up, or - preferably - have your brains blown out. Is that the point you are trying to make? Well, God damn, I guess Canada must be the greatest country in the world then. You'd better stay up there. >>



? well.. you certainly have a flair for taking a post and turning it into bullshit. I'm not talking about highway-side towns, I'm talking about big cities. Toronto and Montreal don't suffer anywhere near the amount of sprawl that many american cities do. Although I'm not so sure about Toronto, Montreal doesn't really have any "ghettos" either. There's poorer areas and there's richer areas but nothing that I'd call a ghetto. There's not a single neighbourhood around here that is dangerous - at least, compared to american equivalents. Public transit is very viable in both Toronto and Montreal. Here in Montreal its also very cheap, just gasoline alone will cost you a lot more, and the subway is fast. In the summer I can bike to the nearby stores for small errands, since they're not more than half a mile away at most. I can take the bus to the metro or even walk if I feel like it (3km away, half-an-hour walk but I can beat the bus if I use my bike, on my bike takes me 10 mins to bike that.)

The only time a car is needed is to get to places off island that are otherwise unreachable (or would take far too long), but for perhaps two-thirds the population mass-transit is there, and its efficient. Can you say the same about the majority of US cities?

I'm not even going to touch that crap at the end of your post. I think it speaks well enough of some of the bigots around here. And yes, if you call a black person a great person to his face you're likely to cause trouble, no matter what part of the world you're in. duh

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BTW, according to this, Toronto has a higher population density than New York or Paris (among the densest cities in the world):
http://www.alliedproperties.ca/a_vitalized.pdf
 
I was reading some of the "driving strategies" and noticed that some of them are actually laws in the DMV manuals of several US states... like NY and NJ. Of course, do you see people follow them? Of course not... instead they do this kinda stuff...

I for one am fairly glad that they're restricting urban sprawl in my area...
 
I live in Los Angeles and I don't know about youalls problem. As a tech my territory (driving, like in my automobile) is in excess of 6400 square miles. On a good day I will only put about 120 mles on the old Dodge Carvan. On a bad day I can rack up 350 to 400 miles. In between all that driving I do my "thing" (computers, networks, etc.).

Public transportation is a joke!
 
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