So about that climate "Pause"......

[Paratus]

http://www.drroyspencer.com/2016/03/uah-v6-global-temperature-update-for-feb-2016-0-83-deg-c-new-record/

The Version 6.0 global average lower tropospheric temperature (LT) anomaly for February, 2016 is +0.83 deg. C, up almost 0.3 deg C from the January value of +0.54 deg. C (click for full size version), which is a new record for the warmest monthly anomaly since satellite monitoring began in late 1978. (If clicking on the image leads to an error, this is due to “caching issues” according to my new website hosting company…I don’t know how to fix it.)

As I said earlier the climate pause starts in 2016. 😉


This matches with the surface temps that are are also way up.
http://www.slate.com/blogs/future_tense/2016/03/01/february_2016_s_shocking_global_warming_temperature_record.html

unofficial data and adjusting for different base-line temperatures, it appears that February 2016 was likely somewhere between 1.15 and 1.4 degrees warmer than the long-term average, and about 0.2 degrees above last month—good enough for the most above-average month ever measured. (Since the globe had already warmed by about +0.45 degrees above pre-industrial levels during the 1981-2010 base-line meteorologists commonly use, that amount has been added to the data released today.)

Parts of the Artic are up by 16C (29F) and sea ice is level or decreasing during the coldest part of the year....

So records (unofficial currently) all around.

 

[Jaskalas]

The '98 El Nino record has fallen on Satellite? Nice.
But the last hook to fall is what the balanced temp looks like when La Nina is finished. You got about 3-4 years before that is measured.

 

[dainthomas]

Great! The warmer the better.

 

[Paratus]

The '98 El Nino record has fallen on Satellite? Nice.
But the last hook to fall is what the balanced temp looks like when La Nina is finished. You got about 3-4 years before that is measured.

It'll be higher than the average from 00's -15. I don't need to wait to know that unfortunately.

 

[fskimospy]

Great! The warmer the better.

Exactly! Denialists have gone from 'it's not happening' to 'it's a good thing!'

All on the ladder of denial.

 

[DrPizza]

Exactly! Denialists have gone from 'it's not happening' to 'it's a good thing!'

All on the ladder of denial.

"It's a good thing!" until accelerating sea level rise results in incredible costs for those living along the coasts.

 

[TheSlamma]

My yard is acting like it's April right now, sucks because I know come late march and April this place is going to get punished with a heavy wet snow and destroy/stress it all out again.

I've never seen COLDorado this warm before, I saw kids playing in an outdoor pool on Saturday.

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

Exactly! Denialists have gone from 'it's not happening' to 'it's a good thing!'

All on the ladder of denial.

You know, if the climate had never changed for millions and millions of years there might be an argument here. But the facts are that it has changed drastically over that time and now that humans are influencing that change it really isn't anything significant or new. It's just a different forcing factor. The only thing significant that I see is those who seem to want to beat up on "deniers" like bullies picking on retards.

Aren't you guys done beating a dead horse yet? Haven't your feelings of superiority over joining the right side of the debate waned? Woah, look how smart you were! Are you done yet? Because this argument has gone long past its boring prime.

Get over yourselves already.

Sheesh!

 

[sandorski]

You know, if the climate had never changed for millions and millions of years there might be an argument here. But the facts are that it has changed drastically over that time and now that humans are influencing that change it really isn't anything significant or new. It's just a different forcing factor. The only thing significant that I see is those who seem to want to beat up on "deniers" like bullies picking on retards.

Aren't you guys done beating a dead horse yet? Haven't your feelings of superiority over joining the right side of the debate waned? Woah, look how smart you were! Are you done yet? Because this argument has gone long past its boring prime.

Get over yourselves already.

Sheesh!

It's not about beating up on anybody, it's about taking action on an issue that we humans have caused.

 

[Jaskalas]

Aren't you guys done beating a dead horse yet? Haven't your feelings of superiority over joining the right side of the debate waned? Woah, look how smart you were! Are you done yet? Because this argument has gone long past its boring prime.

Get over yourselves already.

Sheesh!

Do people not stand between them and their policy actions?

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

It's not about beating up on anybody, it's about taking action on an issue that we humans have caused.

Baloney. Look at the posts in here about "deniers." Taking action? What action?

What can reasonably be done to make any sort of short term difference? Any long term difference is going to be negligible.

Lets also face the simple facts. We honestly don't know what we are fucking with. So what changes can we make that we already aren't trying to tackle?

 

[sandorski]

Baloney. Look at the posts in here about "deniers." Taking action? What action?

What can reasonably be done to make any sort of short term difference? Any long term difference is going to be negligible.

Lets also face the simple facts. We honestly don't know what we are fucking with. So what changes can we make that we already aren't trying to tackle?

...and that's why you get called a denier. We have a pretty good idea of what's happening and what needs to be done about it. You just plug your ears and cover your eyes and start spewing nonsense.

 

[bradly1101]

There seems to be no middle ground. We are in a natural warming cycle since the last ice age, so we were already due for some changes but much more gradually than what is seen in the last one-hundred years. Make no mistake, the results are drastic. The whole Central Valley in California was an inland sea. I've hunted giant shark's teeth not far from Bakersfield.

Near where I grew up there is the telltale stepped appearance that coincided with climate changes:

 

[Paratus]

Baloney. Look at the posts in here about "deniers." Taking action? What action?

What can reasonably be done to make any sort of short term difference? Any long term difference is going to be negligible.

Lets also face the simple facts. We honestly don't know what we are fucking with. So what changes can we make that we already aren't trying to tackle?

1) This is P&N. We come here to argue and feel superior. 😛

2) As Sandorski said, we absolutely do know enough about what's happening and what to do about it.

The good news is we are doing something about it.

http://arstechnica.com/science/2016/03/no-coal-solar-wind-gas-dominate-new-us-generating-capacity-in-2016/

No new coal for the US this year. Only solar, wind nuclear, hydro and natural gas. That's the mix I've said we need to be using for the immediate future. (Even gas is better than coal, at least for the short term)

The good news is our GDP is becoming untied from fossil fuel use


3) If you want to do something try to be a little more efficient and stop voting in politicians who deny basic reality.

 

[dainthomas]

Exactly! Denialists have gone from 'it's not happening' to 'it's a good thing!'

All on the ladder of denial.

You might as well embrace it. Even if everyone turns off the lights, parks their cars and moves back into caves today the earth will keep warming for at least a hundred years. You can either choose to be miserable that whole time or try to maximize the positive aspects.

 

[dank69]

Baloney. Look at the posts in here about "deniers." Taking action? What action?

What can reasonably be done to make any sort of short term difference? Any long term difference is going to be negligible.

Lets also face the simple facts. We honestly don't know what we are fucking with. So what changes can we make that we already aren't trying to tackle?

"Nothing can be done"

Also on the ladder.

 

[zinfamous]

Exactly! Denialists have gone from 'it's not happening' to 'it's a good thing!'

All on the ladder of denial.

I like how one of the deniers around here is envious of a past climate conducive to dinosaurs and even stromatolites.

😀

 

[hasu]

Politicization of global climate change is to blame for its lack of understanding.

 

[Spungo]

Exactly! Denialists have gone from 'it's not happening' to 'it's a good thing!'

All on the ladder of denial.

You missed a few steps.
-It's not happening.
-It is happening, but it's not caused by the greenhouse effect.
-It is caused by the greenhouse effect, but it's not caused by humans.
-It is caused by humans, but we can't stop it.
-We can stop it, but we shouldn't.

By this point, it will never be stopped. Climate scientists agree that it takes a long time for the earth to heat up, and that means there is a very large delay between atmosphere and temperature. If we completely stopped all CO2 emissions today, the earth would continue warming up for several hundred years, Greenland would continue to melt, and sea levels would continue to rise. We would need to have negative CO2 emissions just to stop it, and I don't imagine any government on the planet doing this because it would have such a tremendous economic cost. We can't fix global warming because the political desire to fix it doesn't exist. If people are forced to choose between global warming or $10 gasoline with $0.50/kwh electricity, people will choose global warming.

 

[fskimospy]

You missed a few steps.
-It's not happening.
-It is happening, but it's not caused by the greenhouse effect.
-It is caused by the greenhouse effect, but it's not caused by humans.
-It is caused by humans, but we can't stop it.
-We can stop it, but we shouldn't.

By this point, it will never be stopped. Climate scientists agree that it takes a long time for the earth to heat up, and that means there is a very large delay between atmosphere and temperature. If we completely stopped all CO2 emissions today, the earth would continue warming up for several hundred years, Greenland would continue to melt, and sea levels would continue to rise. We would need to have negative CO2 emissions just to stop it, and I don't imagine any government on the planet doing this because it would have such a tremendous economic cost. We can't fix global warming because the political desire to fix it doesn't exist. If people are forced to choose between global warming or $10 gasoline with $0.50/kwh electricity, people will choose global warming.

Oh most of those are on the ladder of denial that I've posted before, including your 'it's happening but we can't stop it therefore do nothing' denialism.

Scientists don't agree that we are unable to stop or at least strongly mitigate global warming in a way that isn't prohibitively costly, especially when you take into account the cost of doing nothing. If you think otherwise, feel free to provide peer reviewed sources that back you up. I'll also take the statements of worldwide scientific organizations.

 

[dank69]

You missed a few steps.
-It's not happening.
-It is happening, but it's not caused by the greenhouse effect.
-It is caused by the greenhouse effect, but it's not caused by humans.
-It is caused by humans, but we can't stop it.
-We can stop it, but we shouldn't.

By this point, it will never be stopped. Climate scientists agree that it takes a long time for the earth to heat up, and that means there is a very large delay between atmosphere and temperature. If we completely stopped all CO2 emissions today, the earth would continue warming up for several hundred years, Greenland would continue to melt, and sea levels would continue to rise. We would need to have negative CO2 emissions just to stop it, and I don't imagine any government on the planet doing this because it would have such a tremendous economic cost. We can't fix global warming because the political desire to fix it doesn't exist. If people are forced to choose between global warming or $10 gasoline with $0.50/kwh electricity, people will choose global warming.

For reference:

Here, let me provide a counterpoint:

1. Global warming is a lie, therefore do nothing.
2. Even if it's true scientists don't know because of a newspaper story about global cooling, therefore do nothing.
3. Even if scientists do know it's happening we can't say man is causing it, therefore do nothing.
4. Even if we can say man is causing it we can't stop it, therefore do nothing.
5. Even if we can stop it China and India won't go along, therefore do nothing.
6. Even if China and India will go along it's too expensive, therefore do nothing.
7. Even if it's cost effective compared to the alternative fuck you, you're a commie.

 

[dank69]

Oh most of those are on the ladder of denial that I've posted before, including your 'it's happening but we can't stop it therefore do nothing' denialism.

Scientists don't agree that we are unable to stop or at least strongly mitigate global warming in a way that isn't prohibitively costly, especially when you take into account the cost of doing nothing. If you think otherwise, feel free to provide peer reviewed sources that back you up. I'll also take the statements of worldwide scientific organizations.

Looks like you do need to add "it's a good thing" though.

 

[desy]

Humans don't have the will to stop what we are doing.
We are too selfish and shortsighted a species en masse to suffer through what needs to be done. > Me included
I've grown up an entitled North American who wants for nothing. Taking steps backwards is psycholigcally tough to do more so than physically

 

[Londo_Jowo]

Still waiting for the believers to go back to wood stoves, oil lamps, and horse/buggy. Once the believers set the example more people will be willing to listen/follow suit.

 

[K1052]

Humans don't have the will to stop what we are doing.
We are too selfish and shortsighted a species en masse to suffer through what needs to be done. > Me included
I've grown up an entitled North American who wants for nothing. Taking steps backwards is psycholigcally tough to do more so than physically

The generation mix is shifting before our eyes. Your belief that nothing will be done is directly contradicted by the reality that something is.