So about Repubs blaming Obama for high oil prices

[cubby1223]

Seriously, why can't we be blatantly partisan?

Let's give credit to Dubya for his pursuit of opening up the U.S. to increased oil production that began the path to the increased productions in these past years.

Back then it was called "Republicans destroying the environment." Today it's called "Democrats rebuilding the economy." Different party, same thing.

 

[ivwshane]

Seriously, why can't we be blatantly partisan?

Let's give credit to Dubya for his pursuit of opening up the U.S. to increased oil production that began the path to the increased productions in these past years.

Back then it was called "Republicans destroying the environment." Today it's called "Democrats rebuilding the economy." Different party, same thing.

It's still destroying the environment but I can admit that the lessening of foreign oil by the way of increasing domestic production has certainly caused this current drop in gas prices. The issue still remains that bush's energy policy did little to nothing in the way of a better, cleaner, sustained energy strategy. Hell, one might even say that low gas prices hurt the chances of having a smarter energy policy but I still wouldn't put that blame on bush.

 

[ivwshane]

Do you get tired of all your "hypotheticals" (wink, wink) being proven wrong? Videos you try to blow off have proven you to be wrong yet again. Another day, more BS from poor butthurt McShame.

Do you get tired of deflecting when posters pose a question to you after they have answered your question?

Do you get tired of adding very little to every discussion except when you wish to talk about yourself and how great you are and how good your life is?

Do you get tired of having to search google images in order to find a pic that clearly express your thoughts and opinions?

 

[Londo_Jowo]

Do you get tired of deflecting when posters pose a question to you after they have answered your question?

Do you get tired of adding very little to every discussion except when you wish to talk about yourself and how great you are and how good your life is?

Do you get tired of having to search google images in order to find a pic that clearly express your thoughts and opinions?

LMAO!!! Poor Butthurt McShame gets proven wrong and then always claims the other person is deflecting.

When will you ever admit you were gut hooked by Dorian and the media girls?

 

[ivwshane]

LMAO!!! Poor Butthurt McShame gets proven wrong and then always claims the other person is deflecting.

When will you ever admit you were gut hooked by Dorian and the media girls?

I have no idea what you are saying but then again I have trouble understanding most three year olds.


Stay salty

 

[Londo_Jowo]

I have no idea what you are saying but then again I have trouble understanding most three year olds.


Stay salty

Of course you don't understand Poor Butthurt McShame, that's why you believed everything the media put out and you fell for it hook, line, and sinker. You denied that the robbery occurred for days on end.

 

[ivwshane]

Of course you don't understand Poor Butthurt McShame, that's why you believed everything the media put out and you fell for it hook, line, and sinker. You denied that the robbery occurred for days on end.

Another mischaracterization by you, yet again. I said we didn't know the facts about what occurred and we weren't sure if brown actually stole something. I later found out that dorian admitted they stole cigars and I apologized for my ignorance.

You on the other hand have never apologized for your ignorance, instead you display it proudly like a badge of honor.

But hey keep making posts about me telling me how butt hurt I am, I find it hilarious and I welcome you to my stalker club.

 

[Fern]

since oil dropped to a 5yr low yesterday ($65/barrel).

my gas station now has gas for under $2.50/gal.

so if the Repubs blamed Obama all these years for high oil prices, then I guess they'll praise him for getting oil to a 5yr low.

cant wait for them to call that press conference...

I'm guessing you're joking, still this is kind of silly. Seems to me it's all over the news that the Saudi's are trying to drive US producers out of the market by driving prices so low.

If Obama was opening up federal property for oil and thus driving down prices I'd commend him. But he's not so I won't.

Fern

 

[fskimospy]

I'm guessing you're joking, still this is kind of silly. Seems to me it's all over the news that the Saudi's are trying to drive US producers out of the market by driving prices so low.

If Obama was opening up federal property for oil and thus driving down prices I'd commend him. But he's not so I won't.

Fern

The Saudis and OPEC have a pretty limited ability to affect prices at this point without screwing themselves. They have simply lost the power they had in the 70s.

Obama hasn't done a ton to open up US oil production. Personally I'm fine with that. It is pretty funny that conservatives were so eager to blame him for high gas prices and yet are mysteriously silent now though, considering that he hasn't done much to affect them either way.

 

[marincounty]

That freaking Obama, first he fixes the economy so companies are actually hiring people, and now lower oil prices- think of the poor oil companies...What will Obama fix next?

 

[kage69]

Correct. Hey libs, you do realize don't you, that gas prices are still higher now than under the evil boooooosh.

No one realizes that, liberal or not, because it's laughably false.

Speaking of funny, still cracks me up to hear Bush voting puppet fans act like everyone else is supposed to join in with their amnesia and pretend years of being wrong doesn't affect anyone's credibility.

I think the economy getting nursed back to health and gas reaching a low point is causing republicans to get light headed and panicky again. Perhaps they're starting to comprehend last month's Pyrrhic victory and how it relates to the next two years?

 

[fskimospy]

No one realizes that, liberal or not, because it's laughably false.

Speaking of funny, still cracks me up to hear Bush voting puppet fans act like everyone else is supposed to join in with their amnesia and pretend years of being wrong doesn't affect anyone's credibility.

I think the economy getting nursed back to health and gas reaching a low point is causing republicans to get light headed and panicky again. Perhaps they're starting to comprehend last month's Pyrrhic victory and how it relates to the next two years?

My favorite part is that conservatives voted overwhelmingly for Bush.

Twice.

Then after his disastrous presidency they all say "who, me?"

 

[Fern]

The Saudis and OPEC have a pretty limited ability to affect prices at this point without screwing themselves. They have simply lost the power they had in the 70s.

Yes, they are screwing themselves short term, or at least hoping it is ST, from what I've read.

IIRC, they did this same thing back in the mid-80's (suppress the price to drive other producers out).

The Saudi's have a pretty good size cash reserve from what I've read. Apparently, they're willing to draw on that to 'fund' this gamble.

Russia and Venezuela are taking it in the shorts. Likely some other OPEC members too.

Obama hasn't done a ton to open up US oil production. Personally I'm fine with that. It is pretty funny that conservatives were so eager to blame him for high gas prices and yet are mysteriously silent now though, considering that he hasn't done much to affect them either way.

There's nothing mysterious about any silence regarding Obama now. He's got nothing to do with this development. Even if he were so inclined I don't see how he could do anything significant anyway.

OTOH, this gambit certainly precludes any criticism of Obama regarding his refusal to open federal lands. The oil price is so low no one cares and if, as I have read, the price won't be rebounding for 5 yrs no producers are likely terribly interested ATM anyway.

But will be interesting to see what happens in the future, near or otherwise. Are the Saudi's mistaken and will they lose this gamble? Or, will they be able to drive out our producers? As usual, if things get too out of whack, the law of unintended consequences could rear its head and we'll have some real problems on our hands, or at least someone may have problems on their hands.

Seems to me a rather risky ploy by the Saudi's. I'm curious as the motivation(s) pushing the Saudi's. I have not considered them such risk takers before. Why now?

Fern

 

[dmcowen674]

I personally can't recall anyone on these forums blaming Bush when the price was high.

Memory is not a strong suit on here and just about all Americans.

 

[trenchfoot]

Well, I do think it rather funny that Bush being blamed for some specific yet disastrous things that he was undeniably responsible for becomes, after years of getting hammered for it, him being blamed for "everything" (as some righties are framing it) with one wide sweeping wave of the dismissive wand.

I may be a bit premature, but so far, comparing Bush's record in office with Obama's makes Obama look pretty good in comparison.

Just for the fact that Wall Street isn't asking for his head in a basket is undeniable evidence that the real power most influencing politics hasn't much to complain about, and that whatever whining there is coming from the right is pure power politics that hasn't got much to do with the ongoing improving economic situation here in the USA, nor does it have anything to do with Obama's REAL ACTUAL effects that he's responsible for in reference to the REAL ACTUAL state of the union which, compared with other first world nations, simply ain't too bad at all......well, at least for the top 1%'ers anyway.

 

[Matt1970]

Do you think one day, righties will get tired of being lied to?

If you like your gas prices you can keep your gas prices.

 

[Matt1970]

That freaking Obama, first he fixes the economy so companies are actually hiring people, and now lower oil prices- think of the poor oil companies...What will Obama fix next?

If you are going to credit Obama with the drop in gas prices, you have to also crdit him with the rise up until a year or so ago.

 

[Matt1970]

The Saudis and OPEC have a pretty limited ability to affect prices at this point without screwing themselves. They have simply lost the power they had in the 70s.

Obama hasn't done a ton to open up US oil production. Personally I'm fine with that. It is pretty funny that conservatives were so eager to blame him for high gas prices and yet are mysteriously silent now though, considering that he hasn't done much to affect them either way.

I think it was more of pointing out the hypocrisy. When Bush was in charge the high gas price blame was on him. The rise under Obama suddenly wasn't his fault, but now that it is low people want to give him the credit. If people want to do that just remember it can very easily go right back up.

 

[ivwshane]

If you like your gas prices you can keep your gas prices.

What are you babbling about?

If you are going to credit Obama with the drop in gas prices, you have to also crdit him with the rise up until a year or so ago.

The point is, no one is giving Obama or bush any credit for oil/gas prices as it's usually a pretty stupid thing to do. Which is why when Michelle Bachman and newt were promising cheap gas, those on the left were laughing at them.

I think it was more of pointing out the hypocrisy. When Bush was in charge the high gas price blame was on him. The rise under Obama suddenly wasn't his fault, but now that it is low people want to give him the credit. If people want to do that just remember it can very easily go right back up.

You have yet to prove anyone was blaming bush for high gas prices (except for maybe jhhnn).

And yes gas prices can and most likely will go back up, it's why having a smart energy policy that's not based on short term gains is so important.

 

[ralfy]

The higher price was caused by peak oil. That is, crude oil production peaked in 2005, leading to high marginal costs.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Let me help you two out, the thread is about oil prices, the claim was people on the left complained about bush's affect on oil prices, I asked who are these people.

people on the left

 

[Matt1970]

What are you babbling about?

Just pointing out your hypocrisy.

The point is, no one is giving Obama or bush any credit for oil/gas prices as it's usually a pretty stupid thing to do. Which is why when Michelle Bachman and newt were promising cheap gas, those on the left were laughing at them.

Yes it is, and yet they do it anyways. Hell, people are doing it in this thread.

You have yet to prove anyone was blaming bush for high gas prices (except for maybe jhhnn).

And yes gas prices can and most likely will go back up, it's why having a smart energy policy that's not based on short term gains is so important.

I showed you a video of people blaming Bush.

 

[inachu]

It's funny, the left had no problem blaming Bush but when gas went up under Obama it was all due to speculation.

Under Bush there was a report that it was a Canadian speculator that made oil skyrocket for a few months.

I am googling for the video report now.

 

[Brovane]

no. US companies are selling the oil they get from US soil to countries abroad.
even factoring shipping that oil on tankers, they get more profit.

so no, drilling on US soil does NOT help the people living in the US

How much of the oil extracted from US soil do US companies export?

 

[Londo_Jowo]

no. US companies are selling the oil they get from US soil to countries abroad.
even factoring shipping that oil on tankers, they get more profit.

so no, drilling on US soil does NOT help the people living in the US

No oil is being exported as it violates US law, only refined petroleum products can be/is being exported. If you have proof of such maybe you could link us to the site with said proof.