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ironk

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Saw it today, i thought it was pretty good. Yes, it makes me feel absolutely terrible about my abs. The "zerxies" dude...man, i laughed everytime i saw him. You just have to.

For haters: The movie is what it is...it wasn't meant to have a plot. You get exactly what you went to see: blood, violence, gore, boobs. Don't try to compare it to Braveheart...thats just wrong.
 

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LOL, Form The New York Times:
"300 is about as violent as ?Apocalypto? and twice as stupid. Adapted from a graphic novel by Frank Miller and Lynn Varley, it offers up a bombastic spectacle of honor and betrayal, rendered in images that might have been airbrushed onto a customized van sometime in the late 1970s."
 

eleison

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Originally posted by: ironk
Saw it today, i thought it was pretty good. Yes, it makes me feel absolutely terrible about my abs. The "zerxies" dude...man, i laughed everytime i saw him. You just have to.

For haters: The movie is what it is...it wasn't meant to have a plot. You get exactly what you went to see: blood, violence, gore, boobs. Don't try to compare it to Braveheart...thats just wrong.


Boobs you say??? huhm.. this might actually go back on my to see list... Hopefully, the boobs are not lost among the male abs and sweaty loin cloths.... because I'm really not into that sort of stuff :)
 

herkulease

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I thought it was pretty good too. surprised that there were so many people for a 1030AM showing.

it had some dull spots. As reviews noted dialog isn't anything great.
 

lupi

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Originally posted by: Dumac
Originally posted by: lupi
I don't know. Watching a show on the history channel now about the even and they have them wearing pretty much what is shown in the movie clip.

Ok, anyone who knew a little about ancient greek history or even played a semi-accurate game of that time (such as Rome: Total War) would know that spartans wore armor.

I mean, here is a picture of a statue memorial of king Leonidas (the man who the spartans formed a circle around after he fell in the Battle of Thermopylae) that can be found in Sparta itself. Picture He is wearing armor, and even this may be less armor than they actually wore for the sake of a prettier statue.

One of the most famous spartan soldiers were the spartan hoplites. Picture Definately wearing armor.

My point? Spartans didn't fight in military battles almost naked.



And from one clip which looked to be near the end of the battle, you can say for sure that they don't have more equipment but have worn it out/removed it.
 

Shadowknight

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Originally posted by: ironk
Saw it today, i thought it was pretty good. Yes, it makes me feel absolutely terrible about my abs. The "zerxies" dude...man, i laughed everytime i saw him. You just have to.

Actually, it's spelled Xerxes http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XERXES

I read an article on-line, somewhere, where the director was asked by a couple of reporters about how it's a commentary on the Bush administration. Ignoring that it's at least a 10 year old comic, based on a battle that happened 1500 YEARS AGO.
 

Ackmed

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I saw it last Sat, I enjoyed it a lot. RT sucks, and should never be used to judge a movie.
 

Rastus

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Too bad they downplayed the Thespian participation. A couple Thespian scenes probably would have made the movie much more popular.
 

jdoggg12

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Originally posted by: Rastus
Too bad they downplayed the lesbian participation. A couple lesbian scenes probably would have made the movie much more popular.

fixed lol
 

Tremulant

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Saw it earlier... enjoyed it a lot. The fight scenes were excellent and the nipple shots (female) were a nice bonus.

BTW, Spartan captains wore a bronze breastplate (over a lamellar chestpiece, I think..) and normal soldiers wore a lamellar chestpiece. Their shields weren't all bronze either, they were wood with a layer of bronze coating it.
 

b0mbrman

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Wow.

8.4 so far at imdb - Text

As points of reference, that puts it just above The Bridge on the River Kwai and Saving Private Ryan

I shall see this movie and report which score I think is more accurate.

[Edit] FWIW, here are the top six movies of all time according to each source:

Rotten Tomatoes
Toy Story 2
Bus 174
Deliver Us From Evil
The Beatles - A Hard Day's Night
The Taste of Others
The Wizard of Oz

IMDB
The Godfather
The Shawshank Redemption
The Godfather: Part II
Buono, il brutto, il cattivo, Il
The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King
Casablanca

I stop at the top 6 because the two lists run into each other at 7
 

TehMac

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Originally posted by: Tremulant
Saw it earlier... enjoyed it a lot. The fight scenes were excellent and the nipple shots (female) were a nice bonus.

BTW, Spartan captains wore a bronze breastplate (over a lamellar chestpiece, I think..) and normal soldiers wore a lamellar chestpiece. Their shields weren't all bronze either, they were wood with a layer of bronze coating it.

No, equipment was not given out based on rank, because technically, except for the King, nobody had a rank at this point in time. Bronze breastplates were left overs, the normal armament was a stiffened Linen semi shirt with bronze scales sewn onto the abdomen area as well as the opposite back of the abdomen. Bronze cuirases were from the era, but a little earlier, and were outdated do to expense and mobility.
 

PhoenixOrion

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just came back from the movie theater.........

it was actually a decent movie.......didn't really think about the homoerotic undertones until i read this thread.

maybe some people read too much into hollywood movies.
 

Tremulant

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Originally posted by: TehMac
Originally posted by: Tremulant
Saw it earlier... enjoyed it a lot. The fight scenes were excellent and the nipple shots (female) were a nice bonus.

BTW, Spartan captains wore a bronze breastplate (over a lamellar chestpiece, I think..) and normal soldiers wore a lamellar chestpiece. Their shields weren't all bronze either, they were wood with a layer of bronze coating it.

No, equipment was not given out based on rank, because technically, except for the King, nobody had a rank at this point in time. Bronze breastplates were left overs, the normal armament was a stiffened Linen semi shirt with bronze scales sewn onto the abdomen area as well as the opposite back of the abdomen. Bronze cuirases were from the era, but a little earlier, and were outdated do to expense and mobility.

Then the history channel (or military channel? ..forgot which) lied to me last night. :(

I feel used.
 

Ramma2

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Saw it at 1:30 PM in a packed IMAX theatre. Overall it was a good movie, seeing it in IMAX made it one to remember.
 

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Victor Davis Hanson
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History and the Movie ?300?
by Victor Davis Hanson
Private Papers

(Adapted from the introduction to the forthcoming book trailer published by Black Horse Comics, Inc. to accompany Director Zack Snyder?s new film ?300?)

The phrase ?300 Spartans? evokes not only the ancient battle of Thermopylae, but also the larger idea of fighting for freedom against all odds ? a notion subsequently to be enshrined through some 2500 years of Western civilization.

Even today we remember the power of the Spartans? defiance. ?Come and take them,? they tell the Persian emissaries who demand their arms. ?Then we will fight in the shade,? the Spartans boast when warned that the horde of Persian arrows will soon blot out the very sunlight. ?Go tell the Spartans that here we lie obedient to their commands? the tombstone of their dead reads.

In 480, an enormous force of more than a quarter-million Persians under their King Xerxes invaded Greece, both to enslave the free city-states, and to avenge the Persian defeat a decade earlier at Marathon. The huge force of ships and soldiers proved unstoppable on its way west and southward until it reached the narrow pass at Thermopylae (?The Warm Gates?) in northern Greece. There a collection of 7,000 Greeks had blocked the way. They hoped to stop Xerxes? horde outright ? or at least allow enough time for their fellow countrymen to their rear to mobilize a sufficient defense of the homeland.

Among the many Greek contingents was a special elite force of 300 Spartans under their King Leonidas ? a spearhead that offered the other Greeks at Thermopylae some promise that they could still bar the advance of the vastly superior invader. And that hope proved real for two days of hard fighting. The vastly outnumbered, but heavily-armed Greek infantrymen in their phalanx ? taking advantage of the narrow terrain and their massed tactics ? savagely beat back wave after wave of advancing Persian foot soldiers and cavalry.

But on the third day of battle, Leonidas?s Greeks were betrayed by a local shepherd Ephialtes, who showed the Persians an alternate route over the mountains that led to the rear of the Greek position. When he realized that he was nearly surrounded, Leonidas nevertheless made a critical decision to stay and fight, while ordering most of the other various allies to flee the encirclement to organize the growing Greek resistance to the south.

Meanwhile the King and his doomed 300 Spartans, together with other small groups of surrounded Thespians and Thebans, would indeed battle to buy the Greeks time. They ranged further out from the pass on this third and last day of battle ? at first with spears and swords, finally with teeth and nails ?killing scores more of Persians. The last few Spartan survivors were buried under a sea of Persian arrows. The body of Leonidas was found among the corpses, his head soon impaled on a stick as a macabre reminder of the wages of resistance to the Great King of Persia.

The Greeks took encouragement from the unprecedented sacrifice of a Spartan King and his royal guard on their behalf. And so a few weeks later at the sea battle of Salamis near Athens ? and then again the next year at the great infantry collision on the plains of Plataea ? the Greeks defeated, and eventually destroyed, the Persian invaders. The rallying cry of the victors was Thermopylae, the noble sacrifice of the final stand of the outnumbered Greeks, and especially the courage of the fallen Three Hundred Spartans under King Leonidas.

So almost immediately, contemporary Greeks saw Thermopylae as a critical moral and culture lesson. In universal terms, a small, free people had willingly outfought huge numbers of imperial subjects who advanced under the lash. More specifically, the Western idea that soldiers themselves decide where, how, and against whom they will fight was contrasted against the Eastern notion of despotism and monarchy ? freedom proving the stronger idea as the more courageous fighting of the Greeks at Thermopylae, and their later victories at Salamis and Plataea attested.

Greek writers and poets such as Simonides and Herodotus were fascinated by the Greek sacrifice against Xerxes, and especially the heroism of Leonidas and his men. And subsequently throughout Western literature poets as diverse as Lord Byron and A.E. Houseman have likewise paid homage to the Spartan last stand ? and this universal idea of Western soldiers willing to die as free men rather than to submit to tyranny. Steven Pressfield?s novel Gates of Fire and the earlier Hollywood movie The 300 Spartans both were based on the Greek defense of the pass at Thermopylae.

Recently, a variety of Hollywood films ? from Troy to Alexander the Great ? has treated a variety of themes from classical Greek literature and theater. But 300 is unique, a sui generis in both spirit and methodology. The script is not an attempt in typical Hollywood fashion to recreate the past as a costume drama. Instead it is based on Frank Miller?s (of Sin City fame) comic book graphics and captions. Miller?s illustrated novelette of the battle adapts themes loosely from the well-known story of the Greek defense, but with deference made to the tastes of contemporary popular culture.

So the film is indeed inspired by the comic book; and in some sense its muscular warriors, virtual reality sets, and computer-generated landscapes recall the look and feel of Robert Rodriquez?s screen version of Sin City. Yet the collaboration of Director Zack Snyder and screenwriters Kurt Johnstad and Michael Gordon is much more of a hybrid, since the script, dialogue, cinematography, and acting all recall scenes of the battle right from Herodotus?s account.

300, of course, makes plenty of allowance for popular tastes, changing and expanding the story to meet the protocols of the comic book genre. The film was not shot on location outdoors, but in a studio using the so-called ?digital backlot? technique of sometimes placing the actors against blue screens. The resulting realism is not that of the sun-soaked cliffs above the blue Aegean ? Thermopylae remains spectacularly beautiful today ? but of the eerie etchings of the comic book.

The Spartans fight bare-chested without armor, in the ?heroic nude? manner that ancient Greek vase-painters portrayed Greek hoplites, their muscles bulging as if they were contemporary comic book action heroes. Again, following the Miller comic, artistic license is made with the original story ? the traitor Ephialtes is as deformed in body as he is in character; King Xerxes is not bearded and perched on a distant throne, but bald, huge, perhaps sexually ambiguous, and often right on the battlefield. The Persians bring with them exotic beasts like a rhinoceros and elephant, and the leader of the Immortals fights Leonidas in a duel (which the Greeks knew as monomachia). Shields are metal rather than wood with bronze veneers, and swords sometimes look futuristic rather than ancient.

Again, purists must remember that 300 seeks to bring a comic book, not Herodotus, to the screen. Yet, despite the need to adhere to the conventions of Frank Miller?s graphics and plot ? every bit as formalized as the protocols of classical Athenian drama or Japanese Kabuki theater ? the main story from our ancient Greek historians is still there: Leonidas, against domestic opposition, insists on sending an immediate advance party northward on a suicide mission to rouse the Greeks and allow them time to unite a defense. Once at Thermopylae, he adopts the defenses to the narrow pass between high cliffs and the sea far below. The Greeks fight both en masse in the phalanx and at times range beyond as solo warriors. They are finally betrayed by Ephialtes, forcing Leonidas to dismiss his allies ? and leaving his own 300 to the fate of dying under a sea of arrows.

But most importantly, 300 preserves the spirit of the Thermopylae story. The Spartans, quoting lines known from Herodotus and themes from the lyric poets, profess unswerving loyalty to a free Greece. They will never kow-tow to the Persians, preferring to die on their feet than live on their knees.

If critics think that 300 reduces and simplifies the meaning of Thermopylae into freedom versus tyranny, they should reread carefully ancient accounts and then blame Herodotus, Plutarch, and Diodorus ? who long ago boasted that Greek freedom was on trial against Persian autocracy, free men in superior fashion dying for their liberty, their enslaved enemies being whipped to enslave others.
 

TheSlamma

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Originally posted by: Tremulant
Originally posted by: TehMac
Originally posted by: Tremulant
Saw it earlier... enjoyed it a lot. The fight scenes were excellent and the nipple shots (female) were a nice bonus.

BTW, Spartan captains wore a bronze breastplate (over a lamellar chestpiece, I think..) and normal soldiers wore a lamellar chestpiece. Their shields weren't all bronze either, they were wood with a layer of bronze coating it.

No, equipment was not given out based on rank, because technically, except for the King, nobody had a rank at this point in time. Bronze breastplates were left overs, the normal armament was a stiffened Linen semi shirt with bronze scales sewn onto the abdomen area as well as the opposite back of the abdomen. Bronze cuirases were from the era, but a little earlier, and were outdated do to expense and mobility.

Then the history channel (or military channel? ..forgot which) lied to me last night. :(

I feel used.
Don't feel bad, it's a toss up with each documentary they run.