Snowden the HERO, contnues to make the intel community look stupid...

JEDIYoda

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I am very pro USA...but I must say that I am increasingly finding that Snowden may have just touched the tip of the iceberg......the world needs more Snowden`s to keep things under check....

http://news.yahoo.com/spies-worry-over-doomsday-cache-stashed-ex-nsa-205827759--sector.html

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - British and U.S. intelligence officials say they are worried about a "doomsday" cache of highly classified, heavily encrypted material they believe former National Security Agency contractor Edward Snowden has stored on a data cloud.

The cache contains documents generated by the NSA and other agencies and includes names of U.S. and allied intelligence personnel, seven current and former U.S. officials and other sources briefed on the matter said.

The data is protected with sophisticated encryption, and multiple passwords are needed to open it, said two of the sources, who like the others spoke on condition of anonymity to discuss intelligence matters.

The passwords are in the possession of at least three different people and are valid for only a brief time window each day, they said. The identities of persons who might have the passwords are unknown.

Spokespeople for both NSA and the U.S. Office of the Director of National Intelligence declined to comment.

One source described the cache of still unpublished material as Snowden's "insurance policy" against arrest or physical harm.

U.S. officials and other sources said only a small proportion of the classified material Snowden downloaded during stints as a contract systems administrator for NSA has been made public. Some Obama Administration officials have said privately that Snowden downloaded enough material to fuel two more years of news stories.

"The worst is yet to come," said one former U.S. official who follows the investigation closely.

Snowden, who is believed to have downloaded between 50,000 and 200,000 classified NSA and British government documents, is living in Russia under temporary asylum, where he fled after traveling to Hong Kong. He has been charged in the United States under the Espionage Act.

Cryptome, a website which started publishing leaked secret documents years before the group WikiLeaks or Snowden surfaced, estimated that the total number of Snowden documents made public so far is over 500.

Given Snowden's presence in Moscow, and the low likelihood that he will return to the United States anytime soon, U.S. and British authorities say they are focused more on dealing with the consequences of the material he has released than trying to apprehend him.

It is unclear whether U.S. or allied intelligence agencies - or those of adversary services such as Russia's and China's -

know where the material is stored and, if so, have tried to unlock it.

One former senior U.S. official said that the Chinese and Russians have cryptographers skilled enough to open the cache if they find it.

Snowden's revelations of government secrets have brought to light extensive and previously unknown surveillance of phone, email and social media communications by the NSA and allied agencies. That has sparked several diplomatic rows between Washington and its allies, along with civil liberties debates in Europe, the United States and elsewhere.

Among the material which Snowden acquired from classified government computer servers, but which has not been published by media outlets known to have had access to it, are documents containing names and resumes of employees working for NSA's British counterpart, the Government Communications Headquarters (GCHQ), sources familiar with the matter said.

The sources said Snowden started downloading some of it from a classified GCHQ website, known as GC-Wiki, when he was employed by Dell and assigned to NSA in 2012.

Snowden made a calculated decision to move from Dell Inc to another NSA contractor, Booz Allen Hamilton, because he would have wide-ranging access to NSA data at the latter firm, one source with knowledge of the matter said.

"EXTREME PRECAUTIONS"

Glenn Greenwald, who met with Snowden in Hong Kong and was among the first to report on the leaked documents for the Guardian newspaper, said the former NSA contractor had "taken extreme precautions to make sure many different people around the world have these archives to insure the stories will inevitably be published."

"If anything happens at all to Edward Snowden, he has arranged for them to get access to the full archives," Greenwald said in a June interview with the Daily Beast website. He added: "I don't know for sure whether has more documents than the ones he has given me... I believe he does."

In an email exchange with Reuters, Greenwald, who has said he remains in contact with Snowden, affirmed his statements about Snowden's "precautions" but said he had nothing to add.

Officials believe that the "doomsday" cache is stored and encrypted separately from any material that Snowden has provided to media outlets.

Conservative British politicians, including Louise Mensch, a former member of parliament, have accused the Guardian, one of two media outlets to first publish stories based on Snowden's leaks, of "trafficking of GCHQ agents' names abroad."

No names of British intelligence personnel have been published by any media outlet. After U.K. officials informed the Guardian it could face legal action, the newspaper disclosed it had destroyed computers containing Snowden material on GCHQ, but had provided copies of the data to the New York Times and the U.S. nonprofit group ProPublica.

Sources familiar with unpublished material Snowden downloaded said it also contains information about the CIA - possibly including personnel names - as well as other U.S. spy agencies such as the National Reconnaissance Office and National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency, which operate U.S. image-producing satellites and analyze their data.

U.S. security officials have indicated in briefings they do not know what, if any, of the material is still in Snowden's personal possession. Snowden himself has been quoted as saying he took no such materials with him to Russia.
 

Kadarin

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Looking forward to seeing how this plays out. The NSA has far overstepped its mission and is obviously no longer playing by the rules as spelled out in the Constitution; they have become a threat to freedom in the US.
 

Aldon

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The cache contains documents generated by the NSA and other agencies and includes names of U.S. and allied intelligence personnel, seven current and former U.S. officials and other sources briefed on the matter said.

And what else.. what else is included. Spit it out. Now.
 
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Snowden is a patriot and hero. He did the right thing exposing the spying but obama still has the nerve to think he's wrong.
 

LegendKiller

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Snowden was a hero as long as he stuck to domestic spying. The second he moved away from that he turned from a hero into a traitor. I hope he enjoys his shithole of a new home, it's far worse than the one he betrayed.
 

Jaskalas

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Snowden was a hero as long as he stuck to domestic spying. The second he moved away from that he turned from a hero into a traitor. I hope he enjoys his shithole of a new home, it's far worse than the one he betrayed.

Our nation betrays us, doing everything in its power to become the shithole he had to flee towards to avoid human rights violations.
 

Aldon

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Whether we're the shithole or Russia, I certainly think we're one of the biggest assholes planet earth has ever seen. We're tapping other federal officials' phones, collecting telecommunications data from other countries, and we're imperalistic when it comes to spreading our somewhat unstructured democracy.
 

LegendKiller

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Whether we're the shithole or Russia, I certainly think we're one of the biggest assholes planet earth has ever seen. We're tapping other federal officials' phones, collecting telecommunications data from other countries, and we're imperalistic when it comes to spreading our somewhat unstructured democracy.

OMG, spying on other countries who spy on us!?!?!? WHAT THE FUCK!?!!? Can't we all just sit around a campfire holding hands singing kumbaya?

I am sure Iran, China, NK, and Russia would just love that. A bunch of a fucking "fair play" Americans disarming and playing the worldwide rubes.

Get it through your naive thick skull, people have coveted other people's shit since we were a bunch of cavemen running around in loincloth clubbing each other. Just because you think the world should be "free" doesn't mean there isn't somebody else out there that will subjugate you because they can.

This forum is a bunch of pussy ass basement dwellers that haven't been out of this country and haven't seen how much of a shithole Russia is. And to compare the US to Russia, politically, is a fucking joke. Just like your notion of how the world works.

If snowden had kept to exposing unfettered spying on US Citizens, I'd be rooting for him all day. However, he turned traitor the second he released info about US operations against other countries.

It's funny how quickly other world leaders died down when the NSA said "hey, you guys do this shit too", eh? Even retired foreign intelligence guys came out and said "we are just pissed they do it better than us".

It's amazing how naive some of you guys are to the world. Amazing and sad.
 

Aldon

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This forum is a bunch of pussy ass basement dwellers that haven't been out of this country and haven't seen how much of a shithole Russia is.

I was born there. Thanks for the compliment.

Just because you think the world should be "free" doesn't mean there isn't somebody else out there that will subjugate you because they can.

What's your point? Other countries would take advantage and spy on us? If so, elaborate on that.

However, he turned traitor the second he released info about US operations against other countries.

And how do you define that, if traitor is not the right word choice? Working for your own federal government, releasing anything that harms the nation's intelligence is considered betrayal.
 

Genx87

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OMG, spying on other countries who spy on us!?!?!? WHAT THE FUCK!?!!? Can't we all just sit around a campfire holding hands singing kumbaya?

I am sure Iran, China, NK, and Russia would just love that. A bunch of a fucking "fair play" Americans disarming and playing the worldwide rubes.

Get it through your naive thick skull, people have coveted other people's shit since we were a bunch of cavemen running around in loincloth clubbing each other. Just because you think the world should be "free" doesn't mean there isn't somebody else out there that will subjugate you because they can.

This forum is a bunch of pussy ass basement dwellers that haven't been out of this country and haven't seen how much of a shithole Russia is. And to compare the US to Russia, politically, is a fucking joke. Just like your notion of how the world works.

If snowden had kept to exposing unfettered spying on US Citizens, I'd be rooting for him all day. However, he turned traitor the second he released info about US operations against other countries.

It's funny how quickly other world leaders died down when the NSA said "hey, you guys do this shit too", eh? Even retired foreign intelligence guys came out and said "we are just pissed they do it better than us".

It's amazing how naive some of you guys are to the world. Amazing and sad.


I find it amusing watching you turn into a neocon over the last couple of years. If everybody knows we are spying on each other. Then what revelations did Snowden bring to the table that gets you so upset?
 

Nintendesert

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I find it amusing watching you turn into a neocon over the last couple of years. If everybody knows we are spying on each other. Then what revelations did Snowden bring to the table that gets you so upset?



Oh snap!
 

Guurn

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Absolutely a hero.

The timeline of his "leaks" and the info he has distributed is giving us a window into how deep the rabbit hole goes. I'm pretty jaded to the things the government is doing but hearing about the tapping of the SCOTUS lines (full timeline link) and web traffic was a pretty big surprise for me. With the latest stuff from England and the US it is pretty obvious we have another J. Edgar situation going on. I'm amazed that big business isn't going after this with every lawyer they have has seeing how much it will affect their businesses. I think that is a very low estimate as well since other countries are responding by building their own internet infrastructure.

Lets be serious. Everyone in the world knows that every country spies on each other. There is only surprise and indignation because it might work as political fodder. Nothing Snowden or anyone else has leaked about international spying is a surprise to anyone with half a brain.
 

Atreus21

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OMG, spying on other countries who spy on us!?!?!? WHAT THE FUCK!?!!? Can't we all just sit around a campfire holding hands singing kumbaya?

I am sure Iran, China, NK, and Russia would just love that. A bunch of a fucking "fair play" Americans disarming and playing the worldwide rubes.

Get it through your naive thick skull, people have coveted other people's shit since we were a bunch of cavemen running around in loincloth clubbing each other. Just because you think the world should be "free" doesn't mean there isn't somebody else out there that will subjugate you because they can.

This forum is a bunch of pussy ass basement dwellers that haven't been out of this country and haven't seen how much of a shithole Russia is. And to compare the US to Russia, politically, is a fucking joke. Just like your notion of how the world works.

If snowden had kept to exposing unfettered spying on US Citizens, I'd be rooting for him all day. However, he turned traitor the second he released info about US operations against other countries.

It's funny how quickly other world leaders died down when the NSA said "hey, you guys do this shit too", eh? Even retired foreign intelligence guys came out and said "we are just pissed they do it better than us".

It's amazing how naive some of you guys are to the world. Amazing and sad.

In terms of spying on other countries, I agree with you about...70%. We shouldn't go too far in messing with our allies.

In terms of uncovering domestic abuses by the NSA, Snowden is a hero.
 

dawp

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while I agree with what he did I wouldn't never call him a hero. that word gets thrown around too much and degrades the meaning.
 

JEDIYoda

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while I agree with what he did I wouldn't never call him a hero. that word gets thrown around too much and degrades the meaning.
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So we can now call Snowden a true American patriot!!
 

Jaskalas

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It's amazing how naive some of you guys are to the world. Amazing and sad.

It is amazing and sad that so many readily sacrifice liberty for a false sense of security.

It appears thousands of years of bending the knee to strongmen to protect us has still left its mark, as we struggle to remain free from such policy.
 

momeNt

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OMG, spying on other countries who spy on us!?!?!? WHAT THE FUCK!?!!? Can't we all just sit around a campfire holding hands singing kumbaya?

I am sure Iran, China, NK, and Russia would just love that. A bunch of a fucking "fair play" Americans disarming and playing the worldwide rubes.

Get it through your naive thick skull, people have coveted other people's shit since we were a bunch of cavemen running around in loincloth clubbing each other. Just because you think the world should be "free" doesn't mean there isn't somebody else out there that will subjugate you because they can.

This forum is a bunch of pussy ass basement dwellers that haven't been out of this country and haven't seen how much of a shithole Russia is. And to compare the US to Russia, politically, is a fucking joke. Just like your notion of how the world works.

If snowden had kept to exposing unfettered spying on US Citizens, I'd be rooting for him all day. However, he turned traitor the second he released info about US operations against other countries.

It's funny how quickly other world leaders died down when the NSA said "hey, you guys do this shit too", eh? Even retired foreign intelligence guys came out and said "we are just pissed they do it better than us".

It's amazing how naive some of you guys are to the world. Amazing and sad.


Hey look, we have ourselves a real live chickenhawk.
 

fskimospy

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I find it amusing watching you turn into a neocon over the last couple of years. If everybody knows we are spying on each other. Then what revelations did Snowden bring to the table that gets you so upset?

I agree with LK for the most part; Snowden is a traitor and much of his behavior since his initial disclosures has been shameful.

All of these countries are aware that the US is spying on them. They might not know the full extent of it or exactly what we have access to, but it's certainly no surprise to anyone. When you make this sort of thing a big public news story however, the populace demands some sort of action, no matter how foolish it might be long term. LK is also right that those countries quickly expressed OUTRAGE and then just as quickly shut up when it came out that they did the same sort of thing.

I sincerely wish Snowden had just stuck to showing Americans just how all-encompassing the surveillance state WITHIN the US has become and just how much the 4th amendment has been eviscerated in the last few decades. That's incredibly important. When Snowden betrays our country by leaking this other information though it only draws attention away from that.
 

momeNt

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I agree with LK for the most part; Snowden is a traitor and much of his behavior since his initial disclosures has been shameful.

All of these countries are aware that the US is spying on them. They might not know the full extent of it or exactly what we have access to, but it's certainly no surprise to anyone. When you make this sort of thing a big public news story however, the populace demands some sort of action, no matter how foolish it might be long term. LK is also right that those countries quickly expressed OUTRAGE and then just as quickly shut up when it came out that they did the same sort of thing.

I sincerely wish Snowden had just stuck to showing Americans just how all-encompassing the surveillance state WITHIN the US has become and just how much the 4th amendment has been eviscerated in the last few decades. That's incredibly important. When Snowden betrays our country by leaking this other information though it only draws attention away from that.

The interesting thing is that spying operations are pretty much a black hole as far as the public is concerned, it's money spent that we won't ever be allowed to know what it got us. Public accountability compromises the spying, so we simply have to trust that the government is doing the right thing, spending the right amount of money, and not abusing the amount of power we need to grant them in order to protect us.

Sounds like the perfect con.

Reminds me of Clay Davis in The Wire - we are being "rain made" on a daily basis with this.
 

Londo_Jowo

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Snowden was a hero as long as he stuck to domestic spying. The second he moved away from that he turned from a hero into a traitor.

Agree, blowing the whistle on domestic spying by the NSA was the act of a patriot however, once he released information concerning what was going on with spying outside the US his actions are that of a traitor.
 

momeNt

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Agree, blowing the whistle on domestic spying by the NSA was the act of a patriot however, once he released information concerning what was going on with spying outside the US his actions are that of a traitor.

Is he a traitor because spying is necessary? Or for the simple fact that he exposed the USA and regardless of what the USA was doing it was an act of disloyalty.
 

fskimospy

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Is he a traitor because spying is necessary? Or for the simple fact that he exposed the USA and regardless of what the USA was doing it was an act of disloyalty.

He is a traitor because spying on other countries is both necessary and a lawful exercise of power by the government.

I believe a lot of what the NSA is doing inside the US to US citizens is unlawful and so exposing that is important.

Exposing unlawful acts: hero.
Exposing lawful acts: traitor.