Snowden says he was a spy, not just an analyst - Interview 10 pm tonight NBC

[mrjminer]

I found your outrage to be highly disproportionate...if that makes me "illiterate" in your little world...then so be it.

I found your heralding of Snowden as a hero instead of a traitor highly disproportionate. I guess impasses like this occur, however, when you choose to completely disregard basic facts that even your own heroic little traitor admits to, so you can continue to claim he is a hero in your own little world where anything I've written in any way indicates that I don't support my country or the Constitution.

Also, it looks you might be able to pick up a subscription to Reading Rainbow in the near future, in case you hadn't heard.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

I found your heralding of Snowden as a hero instead of a traitor highly disproportionate. I guess impasses like this occur, however, when you choose to completely disregard basic facts that even your own heroic little traitor admits to, so you can continue to claim he is a hero in your own little world where anything I've written in any way indicates that I don't support my country or the Constitution.

Also, it looks you might be able to pick up a subscription to Reading Rainbow in the near future, in case you hadn't heard.

I never heralded Snowden as a hero or offered any judgment regarding him...your brain damage appears to be quite severe.

 

[alzan]

So called it. I wonder if he realizes just how irrelevant he is at this point.

Sadly he never will; authoritarian narcissists are like that

 

[mrjminer]

I never heralded Snowden as a hero or offered any judgment regarding him...your brain damage appears to be quite severe.

I was just reading between the lines of previously claiming that I was articulate, but irrational (though you cleverly attributed no quote to it at the time, it seems as though I was your intended target), then your further selective choices of the facts in support of only one side of the argument that I've repeatedly dismantled by troupes of idiots, then labeling me as someone who doesn't care about my country. You're right, though, you never explicitly heralded Snowden as a hero; only took actions suggesting so without saying it.

My apologies. Not cool when people make up their own bullshit about you, is it? I guess that makes us even. Also, I don't expect you to apologize. I've been up for 40 hours, accounting for my mistake. I just discount you as a dumbass.

 

[Zorba]

I found your heralding of Snowden as a hero instead of a traitor highly disproportionate. I guess impasses like this occur, however, when you choose to completely disregard basic facts that even your own heroic little traitor admits to, so you can continue to claim he is a hero in your own little world where anything I've written in any way indicates that I don't support my country or the Constitution.

Also, it looks you might be able to pick up a subscription to Reading Rainbow in the near future, in case you hadn't heard.

Anyone else think this guy is an NSA spambot?

BTW: Dick Cheney released classified information for political gain, why isn't he in jail? So has Obama, jail his ass too.

Also tell me how if you follow the rules of classification the domestic spying program was a TS/SCI when a lot of technology for future military weapons (30+ years into the future) is only Confidential and rarely secret.

It tells me the damage they were worried about was not to the country but to their own jobs and their own power. It is against the classification guidelines to classify at higher than required levels, BTW. The over classification also made it much harder for congress and other agencies to provide proper oversight.

I also don't think Snowden released anything that people didn't know was possible, he just proved it was happening. So I don't think he gave our enemies any great secrets. I also doubt anyone was all that surprised that we spied on other world leaders, that is the whole point of the NSA.

Edit: Speaking of things I would think are much more important to true national security, did you know the location of all out nuclear warheads is unclassified and can be found on google? Did you also know the USAF nuclear bomb handling, loading and arming technical orders are also unclassified and on google? And you don't even have to have a TS/SCI clearance to have access to/handle nuclear weapons? Do you think the potential damage to the country is higher from people knowing about domestic spying, than nuclear weapons?

 

[mrjminer]

Sadly he never will; authoritarian narcissists are like that

I'd rather be an authoritarian narcissist than a dumbass supporting traitors through ignoring facts of the matter.

Honestly, though, this thread is gold. It almost immediately identifies a large portion of people that are obviously going to be a waste of time to deal with in the future because they simply, downright IGNORE facts that the person they claim is a hero proudly exclaims in order to claim that is a hero.

 

[cubby1223]

I guess I was wrongly under the impression that Rockefeller and others were got officials elected in order to repeal prohibition after they and the public began to turn against it. I should have known that prohibition magically became repealed when people just broke the law. Like how MJ was legalized in Washington and Colorado; people just continuously broke the law until it suddenly became legal.

Anyways, you're just going on ignore, too. I'm surprised you weren't automatically added since you and your patently wrong, lying, traitor supporting friend are connected by the same shit in between your ears. Guess I was wrong about that one, too.

I congratulate you on your second self-proclaimed victory in you'll likely make in advance, since I won't be seeing anything else you write in the future.

As hilarious as conversations with you are, I do hope you put me on ignore. You're just too fucking easy 🙂 Debating against a cat is a greater challenge than debating against you.

Since I know how much you like to brag about your super-quick wikipedia searching skills:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Repeal_of_Prohibition_in_the_United_States

John D. Rockefeller Jr., a lifelong nondrinker who had contributed between $350,000 and $700,000 to the Anti-Saloon League, announced his support for repeal because of the widespread problems he believed Prohibition had caused.

Enjoy your rigid life as you refuse to solve the problem of that huge bug up your ass.

 

[mrjminer]

Time for me to attempt slumber. I'll be sure to say the nightly Snowden Pledge.


All hail Snowden,
Deliverer of the Domestic Spying Documents,
He who hath Delivered No Foreign Espionage Documents,
We shall break the laws based solely off our own opinions,
Until we magically receive our new laws through means other than voting,
Deliver sleep well, he who causes no harm through his actions,
All hail Lord Snowden!

 

[Zorba]

Time for me to attempt slumber. I'll be sure to say the nightly Snowden Pledge.


All hail Snowden,
Deliverer of the Domestic Spying Documents,
He who hath Delivered No Foreign Espionage Documents,
We shall break the laws based solely off our own opinions,
Until we magically receive our new laws through means other than voting,
Deliver sleep well, he who causes no harm through his actions,
All hail Lord Snowden!

How do you propose to change the laws through voting, when you don't even know what the law is? Snowden let people know what the law was, now we the people can vote to change it.

Also the current president in 2008 ran heavily on defending whistle blowers, including those that released classified information, and heavily against NSA domestic spying programs. The people voted to change the laws by voting for him, instead he enlarged the programs. So what should his punishment be for lying to the entire country on this subject?

 

[DCal430]

Ellesberg has gone off the deepend, he is claiming if snowden returns, he would only get a sham trial, and would be locked away in solitary with no outside interaction, basically one man cell with nothing for the rest of his life. We would never even get to hear his side, or see him again.

 

[Jaskalas]

Ellesberg has gone off the deepend, he is claiming if snowden returns, he would only get a sham trial, and would be locked away in solitary with no outside interaction, basically one man cell with nothing for the rest of his life. We would never even get to hear his side, or see him again.

No, that sounds right. That's how much faith we have in our government. Especially after their reaction to September 11th

 

[cubby1223]

Snowden is too high-profile for to be silenced in a box. Though it wouldn't surprise me in the least if other whistleblowers have received that sort of treatment.

 

[BoomerD]

Snowden crossed the line and deserves two to the back of the head and an unmarked grave somewhere in Siberia.

 

[zanejohnson]

real intelligent people are always wondering, always skeptical, always questioning authority..........only a damned fool is completely sure that he's right, or puts blind faith in an authoritarian system......


i dont understand where people pick up this habit, it actually IS brainwashing... talk to anyone at all who comes from another country, and understands the gravity of the Snowden situation, and they will tell you how it is, it's absolutely hitleresque ... (lol unless they are from Israel, they get the same brainwashing program we do, which is ironic, you'd think those people would be able to recognize the truth, which is that history repeating itself)

 

[zanejohnson]

in Nazi Germany, when people started getting disappeared......... one day, you had a nice family for your next door neighbors, then one day, you realize the father is gone, then later the whole family..... people then didnt know, or had a suspicion, but didn't want to believe they knew it was happening, they just knew people were going "somewhere."


the economy was great!, Germany was the world power, gaining resources, advancing technology left and right, they even had a national "youth" program that EVERYONE loved, EVERYONE wanted there kid to have the chance to join it, so that he could later serve his great country, and uphold the laws of the nation (obviously if someone had come out about what was really going on in those re-education camps, or spoken up about the way the local governments were keeping tabs on some people they deemed dangerous to there great country, they would be a TRAITOR, SCUM, THE WORST!!)


see what i'm getting at here???


you people who call snowden a traitor, really wanna be on that side of history???



alot of people on this site are really gullible... that's why we probably WILL see a repeat of that horrible time.....

the foundation is already layed, look at our "campaigns" all over the globe, look at our gung ho base of citizens ready to throw snowden under the bus......completely missing the bigger picture.. look at the imperialist attitude of our commander in chief and his regime,......


well the Germans were right at about the stage we are now, when they poked the bear...that's when things got crazy.... this whole imperiallist crusade we are waging in the middle east, Northern Africa, South America, and now the Baltic states, one day... it's gonna teeter back the wrong way, ever so slightly, we're going to require a draft and to be required to actually put our money where our mouth is...as in.. somebody (or an alliance of nations) is going to bring the fight right back to us...that's when you'll see the divide.........


the gung ho so called "patriots," who condemn the likes of Snowden on one side, and the level headed people who can see the trees and the forest, on the other........ then people will start disappearing.... "see something, say something" will take a sick twist....

in the holocaust, it wasn't jews they were persecuting, jews just happened to an ethnic group that was almost exterminated.....they were actually only a fraction of the people who were exterminated during those horrific years... it was political dissidents.... people who would defend snowden.



look around you people.
we're there.

 

[TerryMathews]

Ellesberg has gone off the deepend, he is claiming if snowden returns, he would only get a sham trial, and would be locked away in solitary with no outside interaction, basically one man cell with nothing for the rest of his life. We would never even get to hear his side, or see him again.

And what exactly makes you think he is wrong?

 

[TerryMathews]

Snowden crossed the line and deserves two to the back of the head and an unmarked grave somewhere in Siberia.

I think you misspelled "most of the members of our government which supported this treasonous violation of our 4th amendment rights."

 

[zanejohnson]

Ellesberg has gone off the deepend, he is claiming if snowden returns, he would only get a sham trial, and would be locked away in solitary with no outside interaction, basically one man cell with nothing for the rest of his life. We would never even get to hear his side, or see him again.

that IS exactly what would happen..

you been living underground for the last few years or something?

we're under an oppressive totalitarian regime....stasi, secret police, controlled media, controlled resources and capitol, surveillance, and complete corruption from the top down... how you can you not see this at this point?


Snowden is not a threat to the American public, he is a threat to the American regime.

 

[davmat787]

I found your heralding of Snowden as a hero instead of a traitor highly disproportionate. I guess impasses like this occur, however, when you choose to completely disregard basic facts that even your own heroic little traitor admits to, so you can continue to claim he is a hero in your own little world where anything I've written in any way indicates that I don't support my country or the Constitution.

Also, it looks you might be able to pick up a subscription to Reading Rainbow in the near future, in case you hadn't heard.

Wait, you're not one of those assholes that think Snowden is a traitor because he didn't work within the system, right?

You know what happened to Drake who tried to do just that, and that Snowden studied that and other cases first?

You know what the government did to public documents found in his house by the ODark30 FBI raid, right?

 

[OBLAMA2009]

lol, apparently, snowden is a long term russian spy who is responsible for the crimea invasion:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...regrets-actions-interview-U-S-TV-network.html

 

[BoberFett]

Wait, you're not one of those assholes that think Snowden is a traitor because he didn't work within the system, right?

You know what happened to Drake who tried to do just that, and that Snowden studied that and other cases first?

You know what the government did to public documents found in his house by the ODark30 FBI raid, right?

Don't expect sycophants to look at the truth right in front of them. Government can do no wrong in their eyes.

 

[Jimzz]

Ellesberg has gone off the deepend, he is claiming if snowden returns, he would only get a sham trial, and would be locked away in solitary with no outside interaction, basically one man cell with nothing for the rest of his life. We would never even get to hear his side, or see him again.

That is what would happen. He would get a "trial" and then sent to a supermax prison. Supermax you are in a small cell for 23hrs a day alone and then 1 hour in another cell with a window under guard.

Remember when we were going to charge some people from G.Bay in US courts and when asked what would happen if they were found not guilty. The AG's office said they would not be set free.

So its not like this has not been played out already.

 

[mrjminer]

Wait, you're not one of those assholes that think Snowden is a traitor because he didn't work within the system, right?

You know what happened to Drake who tried to do just that, and that Snowden studied that and other cases first?

You know what the government did to public documents found in his house by the ODark30 FBI raid, right?

You know that I haven't made the claim that Snowden was a traitor for releasing the domestic spying information, right?

You know that I previously stated in this thread that if his actions were limited solely to leaking the domestic spying information, he would have likely not been tried or been convicted, right?

Snowden is a traitor for illegally taking information about our classified espionage activities against other countries.

You're not one of those assholes that's just going to sit around and repeatedly ignore this fact, right?

You know that releasing classified information about our foreign espionage activities is a violation of the espionage act, right?

Right? Right?!!!!!!!

Don't expect sycophants to look at the truth right in front of them. Government can do no wrong in their eyes.

Except the exact opposite of your statement applies to me, shit for brains. Go ahead and check any of my posts and find out how many of them are rallying to let the government have no accountability -- or even just in this thread. Not that you're going to bother since you advocate for a traitor while ironically telling me to look at the truth, as you blatantly ignore Snowden stealing classified information about our foreign espionage activities, or even acknowledge so. Traitors can do no wrong in your eyes.

If you want to address the reason why I've stated he is a traitor time and time again, then go ahead. I don't think you will though, since you can't even acknowledge it.

 

[smackababy]

You know that I haven't made the claim that Snowden was a traitor for releasing the domestic spying information, right?

You know that I previously stated in this thread that if his actions were limited solely to leaking the domestic spying information, he would have likely not been tried or been convicted, right?

Snowden is a traitor for illegally taking information about our classified espionage activities against other countries.

You're not one of those assholes that's just going to sit around and repeatedly ignore this fact, right?

You know that releasing classified information about our foreign espionage activities is a violation of the espionage act, right?

Right? Right?!!!!!!!

This is the problem people are having. They are viewing everything Snowden did as "exposing the NSA for the good of the American people" and not looking at everything he released.

 

[cubby1223]

You know that I haven't made the claim that Snowden was a traitor for releasing the domestic spying information, right?

You know that I previously stated in this thread that if his actions were limited solely to leaking the domestic spying information, he would have likely not been tried or been convicted, right?

Snowden is a traitor for illegally taking information about our classified espionage activities against other countries.

You're not one of those assholes that's just going to sit around and repeatedly ignore this fact, right?

You know that releasing classified information about our foreign espionage activities is a violation of the espionage act, right?

Right? Right?!!!!!!!

Right back to your original argument - he did something against the law, therefore discussion closed.

News Flash! No one is debating Snowden didn't do anything that wasn't against the letter of the law.

You can rage on, oh powerful keyboard warrior, or you can provide additional substance to why this issue hits you so personally.