Snowden says he was a spy, not just an analyst - Interview 10 pm tonight NBC

[cubby1223]

lol, apparently, snowden is a long term russian spy who is responsible for the crimea invasion:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...regrets-actions-interview-U-S-TV-network.html

I love this article! "He could have, therefore he may have."

 

[Thebobo]

lol, apparently, snowden is a long term russian spy who is responsible for the crimea invasion:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...regrets-actions-interview-U-S-TV-network.html

No ONE EX CIA former senior CIA official says this. Let the planting of misinformation begin.

 

[irishScott]

This is the problem people are having. They are viewing everything Snowden did as "exposing the NSA for the good of the American people" and not looking at everything he released.

No, we simply see the good as outweighing the bad. So our global intelligence capabilities are temporarily slighted. Small price to pay to uncover unconstitutional domestic spying.

Here's a thought, if our government would kindly stop doing unconstitutional bullshit and provided actual, effective oversight and protection for whistle-blowers, next time we can do this without compromising our intelligence capabilities!

 

[smackababy]

No, we simply see the good as outweighing the bad. So our global intelligence capabilities are temporarily slighted. Small price to pay to uncover unconstitutional domestic spying.

Here's a thought, if our government would kindly stop doing unconstitutional bullshit and provided actual, effective oversight and protection for whistle-blowers, next time we can do this without compromising our intelligence capabilities!

The good doesn't outweigh the bad, when the bad could have been almost entirely avoided. Snowden released stuff concerning intelligence gathering on plenty of things that weren't domestic. That is what he is being accused of under the Espionage Act.

Here is a thought: if in order to save 10 lives, you have to murder one person, should you be forgiven for murder? Greater good right?

 

[cubby1223]

The good doesn't outweigh the bad, when the bad could have been almost entirely avoided. Snowden released stuff concerning intelligence gathering on plenty of things that weren't domestic. That is what he is being accused of under the Espionage Act.

Here is a thought: if in order to save 10 lives, you have to murder one person, should you be forgiven for murder? Greater good right?

Like when the Navy sniper shot dead three Somali pirates in order to save the lives of the captives? And the nation cheered?

Or was that a lawful act, therefore not technically murder?

Was Bin Laden murdered? Or was it not murder because the President authorized it?


Even domestically, the guy who shoots dead another who is threatening to kill many more, is viewed favorably.

 

[waggy]

lol, apparently, snowden is a long term russian spy who is responsible for the crimea invasion:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...regrets-actions-interview-U-S-TV-network.html

rolf and that is exactly why he shouldn't return. NO fucking way does he get a fair trial.

 

[DCal430]

There is no connection between how manning was treated and how snowden will be treated. Manning will military, and was given a military trial, snowden is civilian and will be afford a standard civilian trial and defense.

 

[JEDIYoda]

rolf and that is exactly why he shouldn't return. NO fucking way does he get a fair trial.

exactly -- the US Government will promise him anything to get him to come back!! Then he will turn up missing, never to be heard of again.....you think the movies are make believe....think again...

 

[DCal430]

So much paranoia, the government won't do anything unjustified against him if he returns.

 

[Zorba]

So much paranoia, the government won't do anything unjustified against him if he returns.

If you took everything we did to try to get him before Russia gave him asylum and put it into a movie, I would have said it wasn't believable, but we did it. The guy would never be given a fair trail, because the government would claim all the evidence against him was classified.

 

[DCal430]

Any trial is a formality, we know he is guilty. He admitted to his crimes.

 

[davmat787]

rolf and that is exactly why he shouldn't return. NO fucking way does he get a fair trial.

Exactly. As I mentioned before, Snowden was deliberate and smart enough to study the previous whistleblowers and treatment. Anyone who does so would make the same conclusion as he did, the government will not play fair with this. Just look at what they did to Drake alone!

 

[BoberFett]

So much paranoia, the government won't do anything unjustified against him if he returns.

Are you retarded? And I'm being serious here. Is your IQ in the 70s?

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

So much paranoia, the government won't do anything unjustified against him if he returns.

OK. Let's hold this guy accountable first.

Since you're such a fan of that government's atrocities "unjustified" doesn't exist for you.

No, he'd not get his rights in court. The government usurped those, you know the ones provided by the Constitution, that document which is supreme over government? Well it's supposed to be at least. He'll not have a fair and public trial, which you've already denied him as being a "formality". But it's not unjustified is it? Murders of state thrill some people. You really should move to NK. Don't worry about the language, you'll be reeducated in the slave labor camp.

 

[Pr0d1gy]

It should be understood by this admission that Snowden is, in fact, a limited hangout.

 

[cubby1223]

So much paranoia, the government won't do anything unjustified against him if he returns.

Except, justice is a relative term.

For example, most people would argue stoning to death unjustified. One person in this thread would argue it is justified.

If anyone really deserves to be pelted to death with stones, this guy is the one.

 

[bradly1101]

I love how Kerry is trying to talk to him via the media, "Man up, come home and face the music. Let him make his case to the American people."

If he was here they would not only not allow him to talk to us, the court that will railroad him into oblivion would be secret.

 

[Jeff7]

By definition, if he was secretly collecting data about an enemy or competition, he was a spy. I am not sure why this is news. He worked for an organization that secretly collected (and analyzed to a point, which I am still suspect of) data.

I have a problem believing the NSA has the ability to, in real time, intercept and analyze 6 billion texts sent in a day, not to mention phone calls, emails, Facebook posts, etc.


Also, the US didn't strand him in Russia. I'm sure they'd be more than happy to come pick him up. He broke the law, regardless of what good he might have done.

- Text compresses well.
- They have a very substantial budget.
- Large companies in the private sector can own hundreds of thousands of servers.


ExtremeTech article

At any one time, streaming adult videos probably utilize around 30% of the internet’s total bandwidth, which equates to around 6 terabytes of porn being consumed every second. But what about the other 70%? Netflix, YouTube, and other non-adult video sites are huge bandwidth hogs, possibly accounting for as much as 40% of internet traffic.

All that data has to be stored somewhere in the first place.
Amazon Web Services has to have a lot of storage space and processor power available so that they can offer their services, almost like a rent-a-supercomputer.
Or you have free services that services offer several gigabytes of storage space to users. Large-scale data acquisition doesn't strike me as being too far-fetched.


Then you've got the NSA, with one of their primary goals being the capture and analysis of online information. That kind of focus, coupled with a fat budget and the cooperation of private sector companies, can lead to some impressive capabilities.

 

[irishScott]

The good doesn't outweigh the bad, when the bad could have been almost entirely avoided. Snowden released stuff concerning intelligence gathering on plenty of things that weren't domestic. That is what he is being accused of under the Espionage Act.

Here is a thought: if in order to save 10 lives, you have to murder one person, should you be forgiven for murder? Greater good right?

He claims he hasn't released any such information to Russia (in fact he claims he deleted it before coming so he couldn't) and I've yet to hear any solid evidence that he did otherwise. It's his word, which has to date told the confirmed truth, against the government's word, which has repeatably and blatantly lied. I'll take the word of the more honest entity until proven otherwise.

And even if we did lose some people, yeah. I'd rather a few intelligence operatives die (and we have no confirmation that any have, BTW) than see the United States fundamentally undermined. Kinda defeats the purpose of our clandestine services if they're actively working against the United States, which in the case of the NSA and their domestic spying, they are. I'm sure they don't see it that way, but allowing the government to violate our highest laws, in secret, denying any chance of legal challenge... I don't see how it could be objectively interpreted any other way.

 

[Thebobo]

The Edward Snowden clips NBC didn’t broadcast on TV

During a web special in which NBC analysts picked apart the interview, the network published three clips that did not make the final cut in the broadcast. Those clips offered a rare glimpse into Snowden’s thoughts on President Obama, how the government interprets the Fourth Amendment of the Constitution and why the whistleblower believes government officials pervasively exploit the fear of another September 11-style terrorist attack in its design of surreptitious surveillance programs.

http://thedesk.matthewkeys.net/2014/05/edward-snowden-unaired-nbc-clips/

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