Smoking should be ILLEGAL

[yobarman]

Originally posted by: yowolabi

4. Smoking does make you feel good and does make you relaxed. How are you gonna knock smoking if you've never done it?

Please correct me if i'm wrong.

It may make you relaxed, but the biggest reason you're not relaxed is because you've developed an addiction to nicotine, and not having it makes you antsy. To credit it for solving a problem that it created in the first place doesn't seem right.

This may be true for some people... but i'm not one of those "I need a ciggarette or im going to die" type of people. I consider myself a social smoker (smoking when drinking/weekends).... not having a cigg for a couple days doesn't bother me that much.

I dunno, the more i think about it the con's outweigh the pro's. Lately I just can't stop coughing... it's probably a cold but it won't go away cause of smoking. I'm definately gonna cut back for the next couple days... see if i can get myself of it all together...

But the fact is people have the right to smoke...if they're f'ing themselves up then who cares, it's not your problem. There is an issue involving parents smoking around their children. I'm not gonna touch this one because more of a nature vs nurture argument. I hated smoking when i was a child because my mom smoked. But i have friends with parents who smoke that end up starting when they're like 13-14..

 

[StageLeft]

Originally posted by: VBboy

Originally posted by: mfbf

Originally posted by: Skoorb
Well since smoking rates are similar now to how they were in the past something needs to be done. Adults who already smoke fvck em, but so many start when they're kids and kids are too stupid to know better (though not all are that stupid thankfully).

OK, but who is responsible for the kids doing the right thing. The parents should know if their children are smoking and take care of the situation. Also put the blame on the people who sold the kids the cigarettes, here they have to be carded so this should cut down on the number of kids buying cigarettes.

My parents didn't even need to tell me not to smoke. I knew it was bad, so I didn't do it. I tried to discourage my friends from smoking - which is the opposite of most teenagers do nowadays.

I can't remember what my parents said. My older brother has been smoking since he was 16 and I do not smoke. Neither does my younger brother. Kids in many cases just do not listen to parents. Any parent knows that, and any kid remembers not listening to their parents 🙂 The parents can't be entirely responsible for it because some stupid kids will still start. They can try and limit this by jacking up smoke taxes (this has a positive effect on decreasing smoking). Kids know it's bad, but they just don't care, so you need to make it such that they physically cannot get cigarettes.

 

[notfred]

Originally posted by: VBboy
I tried to discourage my friends from smoking - which is the opposite of most teenagers do nowadays.

You think most kids are encouraging each other to smoke? Why are there less and less people smoking all the time?

You're making some really poor arguments in this thread, like this one and this one:

Chances are, they never would've started smoking if it were illegal.

 

[roncarter]

I agree buddy, but I think Cigs bring in too much money

 

[Vic]

"There is no worse tyranny than to force a man to pay for what he does not want merely because you think it would be good for him." - Robert A. Heinlein

Live yer own fscking lives, you freakin' anti-social petty tyrants.

edit:

Would this be a case of the government "limiting our freedoms"? Yes, but so what?. Other laws that limit our freedoms make killing, raping, stealing, setting someone's car on fire, among other things, illegal as well. It's the job of every parent to prevent their kids from smoking, but many fail. Maybe the law can help.

And WTF is this? Only an idiot, a little boy, or a person with VERY fscked morals would believe or argue that laws against murder, rape, theft, and vandalism limit people's freedoms. Those laws protect our freedoms.

 

[VBboy]

Originally posted by: notfred

Originally posted by: VBboy
I tried to discourage my friends from smoking - which is the opposite of most teenagers do nowadays.

You think most kids are encouraging each other to smoke? Why are there less and less people smoking all the time?

You're making some really poor arguments in this thread, like this one and this one:

Chances are, they never would've started smoking if it were illegal.

Has your friend ever offered you a sigarette?
Would people rob and rape more if it were legal?

 

[StageLeft]

You think most kids are encouraging each other to smoke? Why are there less and less people smoking all the time?

Smoking rates up among teens

That's a few years old, but there comes a point where a certain percentage of the population resists education. This is in terms of smoking, unprotected sex, etc. They resist knowledge and so to protect them from themselves one must remove the ability for them to hurt themselves.

 

[minendo]

Originally posted by: VBboy
Would people rob and rape more if it were legal?

Robbing and raping is not the same as smoking a damn cigarette.

 

[Rob9874]

I don't care if people smoke, in the privacy of their own homes. But it should be illegal to smoke in public. Maybe they can create smoking bars, where you go there just to smoke. You can't walk down the street with a beer. Why can you smoke anywhere you want? It's disturbing to others. I wouldn't be allowed to walk in a neighborhood or sit in a restaurant with loud speakers, blaring metal real loud. It disturbs others. So why are smokers allowed to disturb me with their smoke?

 

[SagaLore]

Originally posted by: yobarman

4. Smoking does make you feel good and does make you relaxed. How are you gonna knock smoking if you've never done it?

That's an stupid argument. How can you knock cocaine if you've never done it. My mom, dad, and younger brother smokes. My mom started smoking at a young age because her dad smoked. My brother started smoking at a young age because my mom smoked. "Well I guess I can't know it until I try it". "Now I've tried it, not so bad... can I have another?". It's an endless cycle. Addiction is quick. The "feel good" only lasts the first couple of times you smoke.

Smoking does not make you feel good and relaxed after you're addicted. Smoking, and then NOT smoking, makes you tense and anxious, so then you have to smoke again to return yourself to a normal state. Read up on what nicotine actually does inside the body. It initiates a quick release of adrenaline, which then rises your glucose levels, but then blocks insulin release - this causes a kind of hypergylcemia. Diabetics who smoke have a very rough time quitting because of this fact. Nicotine over a long period also raises your bad LDL cholesterol which causes artery damage, which isn't good considering that smoking already increases blood pressure. This is what plays into the physical addiction of nicotine, but there is also a psychological addiction because nicotine causes a release of glutamate in the brain which is partly responsible for memory, which causes a memory loop of the good feelings you get as acetylcholine and dopamine is also released. This is what makes you crave another cigarette.

 

[VBboy]

Originally posted by: minendo

Originally posted by: VBboy
Would people rob and rape more if it were legal?

Robbing and raping is not the same as smoking a damn cigarette.

No, it's not. I am simply saying that making certain things illegal helps to stop them from happening.

 

[SagaLore]

Originally posted by: Rob9874
I don't care if people smoke, in the privacy of their own homes. But it should be illegal to smoke in public. Maybe they can create smoking bars, where you go there just to smoke. You can't walk down the street with a beer. Why can you smoke anywhere you want? It's disturbing to others. I wouldn't be allowed to walk in a neighborhood or sit in a restaurant with loud speakers, blaring metal real loud. It disturbs others. So why are smokers allowed to disturb me with their smoke?

You just made me think of something I never considered... if you're smoking in the privacy of your own home, how are the children of the smoker protected? Perhaps smokers will eventually be forced to create their own ventilated smoke rooms?

 

[minendo]

Originally posted by: VBboy
No, it's not. I am simply saying that making certain things illegal helps to stop them from happening.

A parallel can not be drawn between smoking and robbery/rape. As mentioned earlier, prohibition tried the same thing and it was a huge failure.

 

[HarryAngel]

Smoking sucks big time! 😀

 

[Spac3d]

Why don't you just ban porn and alcohol while you are at it?

 

[StageLeft]

Originally posted by: Spac3d
Why don't you just ban porn and alcohol while you are at it?

Both of those in moderation have positive effects. I drink from time to time and I like it. I feel that alcohol does not take away from my life at all. Few addicted smokers will claim that.

 

[Jzero]

Originally posted by: VBboy

Originally posted by: minendo

Originally posted by: VBboy
Would people rob and rape more if it were legal?

Robbing and raping is not the same as smoking a damn cigarette.

No, it's not. I am simply saying that making certain things illegal helps to stop them from happening.

Oh most definitely. I mean, nobody ever smokes pot or drinks before they are 21, right?

 

[VBboy]

Originally posted by: Spac3d
Why don't you just ban porn and alcohol while you are at it?

You ban Porn, and I will hang you on your mouse cord! 🙂

 

[minendo]

Originally posted by: Skoorb

Originally posted by: Spac3d
Why don't you just ban porn and alcohol while you are at it?

Both of those in moderation have positive effects. I drink from time to time and I like it. I feel that alcohol does not take away from my life at all. Few addicted smokers will claim that.

Alcohol from time to time would be similar to a cigarette from time to time. Now ask an addicted alcoholic if alcohol takes away from his/her life.

 

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[VBboy]

Originally posted by: lupy
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[Vic]

Originally posted by: VBboy

Originally posted by: minendo

Originally posted by: VBboy
Would people rob and rape more if it were legal?

Robbing and raping is not the same as smoking a damn cigarette.

No, it's not. I am simply saying that making certain things illegal helps to stop them from happening.

You're confused. My rights end where yours begin. This means that no one ever has a right to rape, rob, or murder. For the government to make those crimes illegal and to punish those who commit them does not limit anyone's freedoms, because no such rights existed in the first place.
On the other hand, your petty crusade against smoking (1) does limit the freedom of the people and (2) is none of your goddamned fscking business. Every single one of us on this planet is, in some form, committing suicide on the installment plan: some just make larger payments than others. On the grand scheme of things, smoking is actually a relatively small payment. My grandfather was a smoker and he lived to be 94.

You just made me think of something I never considered... if you're smoking in the privacy of your own home, how are the children of the smoker protected? Perhaps smokers will eventually be forced to create their own ventilated smoke rooms?

Right.... and then the kids go run out and play in our air-polluted streets...

 

[VBboy]

All I'm saying is that some people need encouragement somewhere along their way to become a better person 😉 That encouragement may come in form of law.

 

[Spac3d]

Originally posted by: Skoorb

Originally posted by: Spac3d
Why don't you just ban porn and alcohol while you are at it?

Both of those in moderation have positive effects. I drink from time to time and I like it. I feel that alcohol does not take away from my life at all. Few addicted smokers will claim that.

Ahhh! That is where we differ. Smoking is an addiction ... if you had an addiction to alcohol or porn, wouldn't it be a problem? You cannot compare alcohol in moderation to an addiction to smoking.

Now you tell me which is worse, addiction to drinking or smoking? At least with smoking you can still make good decisions.

 

[minendo]

Originally posted by: VBboy
All I'm saying is that some people need encouragement somewhere along their way to become a better person 😉 That encouragement may come in form of law.

Who is the one that defines better? Banning smoking will not encourage anything. Cigarettes will still be sold and the thrill of smoking overall will increase since it is prohibited. The problem lies within the family household and the upbringing of the child, not the fact that cigarettes are legal.