Smoking Now Banned in All Connecticut Bars

[Orsorum]

Originally posted by: faenix
Smoke on people. But remember, when Lung Cancer hits you on at age 50, don't regret it.

What does that have to do with Second Hand smoke?

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: Orsorum

Originally posted by: faenix
Smoke on people. But remember, when Lung Cancer hits you on at age 50, don't regret it.

What does that have to do with Second Hand smoke?

Absolutely nothing. But bleating "just say no" slogans he learned in school gives him that good feeling he so sorely needs.

 

[Led Zeppelin]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: BostonRedSox
LOL @ the 'don't go to the bar' answers. Oh you poor, poor friendless people. I really pity you. You obviously have never had a good time out in your life. Too funny.

Btw, just got home from the smoke-free clubs, and they were more packed than ever. The whining smokers putting down the non-smokers here is so pathetic. Waaaa, waaaa, waaaa.

First, I am a non-smoker who hates the smell of smoke. Nice try. Hell, I own my own chain of sandwich shops and I do not allow smoking in them. Not because of any laws, but because that is what *I*, the PRIVATE busniess owner prefers.

What you do not seem to understand is, MY likes or dislikes do not give me a right to dictate how a PRIVATE business owner runs their business. I understand this, you do not. That is the difference between us.

In fact, the people in this thread making the most relevant arguments against you are all non-smokers.

True freedom is not measured in allowing what we like or agree with, but in what we dislike or disagree with.

Actually, I understand what you are saying completely. Do I agree with government telling private business owners what to do, and how to do it? Not at all, as long as the private business owners aren't doing anything illegal. If you want to get around the law, here you go:

A few establishments are exempt from the law, including private clubs with liquor permits as of May 1 and tobacco bars.

Smokers can go to private clubs, and/or tobacco bars, if they really need to smoke that badly. Private business owners can open PRIVATE clubs. Who says they need to make their establishment public?

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: BostonRedSox

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: BostonRedSox
LOL @ the 'don't go to the bar' answers. Oh you poor, poor friendless people. I really pity you. You obviously have never had a good time out in your life. Too funny.

Btw, just got home from the smoke-free clubs, and they were more packed than ever. The whining smokers putting down the non-smokers here is so pathetic. Waaaa, waaaa, waaaa.

First, I am a non-smoker who hates the smell of smoke. Nice try. Hell, I own my own chain of sandwich shops and I do not allow smoking in them. Not because of any laws, but because that is what *I*, the PRIVATE busniess owner prefers.

What you do not seem to understand is, MY likes or dislikes do not give me a right to dictate how a PRIVATE business owner runs their business. I understand this, you do not. That is the difference between us.

In fact, the people in this thread making the most relevant arguments against you are all non-smokers.

True freedom is not measured in allowing what we like or agree with, but in what we dislike or disagree with.

Actually, I understand what you are saying completely. Do I agree with government telling private business owners what to do, and how to do it? Not at all, as long as the private business owners aren't doing anything illegal. If you want to get around the law, here you go:

A few establishments are exempt from the law, including private clubs with liquor permits as of May 1 and tobacco bars.

Smokers can go to private clubs, and/or tobacco bars, if they really need to smoke that badly. Private business owners can open PRIVATE clubs. Who says they need to make their establishment public?

This is a bastardization of terms here and another sign of our eroding freedoms. ALL businesses not owned by the government are, by definition, PRIVATE businesses. What your law means is member's only clubs.

At any rate, I ask again, why do you blame smokers instead of bar owners? Don't you think if bar owners respected your views they would have banned smoking themselves? If they do not respect your views, why do you want to do business with them? Not only do business, but do business by force?

 

[Jzero]

Well, when Howard Stern's number comes up, and I am certain that it will, I will link to this thread to remind everyone that "Just change the station or turn off the radio" is apparently as silly as "Just go to another bar or don't go to the bar at all." You either support a nanny state, or you don't, and it's easy enough to see which side of the fence everyone is on.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: Jzero
Well, when Howard Stern's number comes up, and I am certain that it will, I will link to this thread to remind everyone that "Just change the station or turn off the radio" is apparently as silly as "Just go to another bar or don't go to the bar at all." You either support a nanny state, or you don't, and it's easy enough to see which side of the fence everyone is on.

Who said I support FCC censorship???

 

[Led Zeppelin]

Originally posted by: Jzero
Well, when Howard Stern's number comes up, and I am certain that it will, I will link to this thread to remind everyone that "Just change the station or turn off the radio" is apparently as silly as "Just go to another bar or don't go to the bar at all." You either support a nanny state, or you don't, and it's easy enough to see which side of the fence everyone is on.

There's a very very fine line between the two points you are trying to cross together, and it just doesn't fly. Howard Stern doesn't affect anybody's health, can't possibly give anyone cancer, or whatnot. The last I knew, there was never an amendment that had to do with smoking, as there is with free speech.

 

[Orsorum]

Originally posted by: BostonRedSox

Originally posted by: Jzero
Well, when Howard Stern's number comes up, and I am certain that it will, I will link to this thread to remind everyone that "Just change the station or turn off the radio" is apparently as silly as "Just go to another bar or don't go to the bar at all." You either support a nanny state, or you don't, and it's easy enough to see which side of the fence everyone is on.

There's a very very fine line between the two points you are trying to cross together, and it just doesn't fly. Howard Stern doesn't affect anybody's health, can't possibly give anyone cancer, or whatnot. The last I knew, there was never an amendment that had to do with smoking, as there is with free speech.

How does SHS give people cancer?

 

[Feldenak]

Originally posted by: BostonRedSox

Originally posted by: Jzero
Well, when Howard Stern's number comes up, and I am certain that it will, I will link to this thread to remind everyone that "Just change the station or turn off the radio" is apparently as silly as "Just go to another bar or don't go to the bar at all." You either support a nanny state, or you don't, and it's easy enough to see which side of the fence everyone is on.

There's a very very fine line between the two points you are trying to cross together, and it just doesn't fly. Howard Stern doesn't affect anybody's health, can't possibly give anyone cancer, or whatnot. The last I knew, there was never an amendment that had to do with smoking, as there is with free speech.

You really don't get it do you?

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: BostonRedSox

Originally posted by: Jzero
Well, when Howard Stern's number comes up, and I am certain that it will, I will link to this thread to remind everyone that "Just change the station or turn off the radio" is apparently as silly as "Just go to another bar or don't go to the bar at all." You either support a nanny state, or you don't, and it's easy enough to see which side of the fence everyone is on.

There's a very very fine line between the two points you are trying to cross together, and it just doesn't fly. Howard Stern doesn't affect anybody's health, can't possibly give anyone cancer, or whatnot. The last I knew, there was never an amendment that had to do with smoking, as there is with free speech.

The connection between ETS and cancer is highly questionable. And the minority of studies that claim a link involve people who live with heavy smokers. Not people who have infreqent contact.

And besides that, no one is forcing you to enter a business that allows smoking. You do that by choice. Again, you do NOT have a constitutional right to force businesses to accomidate you.

 

[Jzero]

Originally posted by: BostonRedSox

Originally posted by: Jzero
Well, when Howard Stern's number comes up, and I am certain that it will, I will link to this thread to remind everyone that "Just change the station or turn off the radio" is apparently as silly as "Just go to another bar or don't go to the bar at all." You either support a nanny state, or you don't, and it's easy enough to see which side of the fence everyone is on.

There's a very very fine line between the two points you are trying to cross together, and it just doesn't fly. Howard Stern doesn't affect anybody's health, can't possibly give anyone cancer, or whatnot. The last I knew, there was never an amendment that had to do with smoking, as there is with free speech.

It has nothing at all to do with cancer, and free speech doesn't include certain forms of speech including defamation, obscenity and "fighting words," of which any schoolmarm can easily accuse Stern, and not meritlessly, either. I only chose Stern because I know from past readings that you are one of his sycophantic fans and it would be a good litmus test on whether you are consistent or not when it comes to eroding away of freedoms.

The bottom line is this: You don't care about personal freedoms as long as it isn't your personal freedom that's being eroded. That goes for anyone who agrees with this kind of legislature.

To the whiners who can't handle Howard Stern: TURN OFF THE RADIO.
To the whiners who can't handle smoke: GO TO A DIFFERENT BAR.

The more you rely on the government to take care of these basic things that you as an intelligent adult should be able to handle on your own, the bigger the government will get, and soon enough, they'll handle everything whether you like it or not.

Today smoking, tomorrow Caesar Salad. Oh wait, California already tried that one back in 1998. Luckily they came to their senses.....for now. But let me guess - you'd be OK with that, because you don't like Caesar Salad.

 

[nakedfrog]

The fvcking nazis are winning...
Free to give yourself cirrhosis, but not cancer...