Yeah its a bad comparison. One of the drugs will kill you if you use too much and the other makes you hungry.
Yeah its a bad comparison. One of the drugs will kill you if you use too much and the other makes you hungry.
FBI Disqualifiers
There are specific things that will automatically disqualify you from consideration for the Special Agent position. They are:
1) conviction of a felony,
2) use of illegal drugs (see the FBI Employment Drug Policy for more details),
3) default of student loan (insured by the U.S. Government),
4) failure of a urinalysis drug test, or
5) failure to register with the Selective Service System.
They aren't going to automatically disqualify anyone for breaking copywright laws.
So lets see its a bad comparison because you have smoked weed at some time in your life and know the differences between it and alcohol? Also, lets look at the cost: I can buy a 12 pack of Bud light for around $9, I can also buy a dime bag of pot for around $10-15. Depending on how much you smoke (or drink) the dime bag will get you high at least once and the 12 pack will get you drunk at least once. So the cost is hardly that much higher for pot vs alcohol.
Ever get a hangover from drinking alcohol? It makes it kind of hard to do much of anything, so heaven forbid you get drunk on a work night. Now lets look at pot: NO HANGOVER.
And I do not know which town/city/state you live in but I have never heard of anyone going to jail for a dime bag, but I have heard of people going to jail for a DWI, open container, public drunkeness, etc.
Originally posted by: RBachman
You could get just the internet service for less, news included. You're in no position to talk about wasting money
Do you live in a poor section of a large city? If so this could certainly skew your view - but regardless, you're seeing only what you want to see, or more likely what you're told to see by the propaganda machine. In addition to this, you likely know & have met many smokers who don't care to have you know about it, and filed them in your mind's "does not smoke" category. The illegality and stigma associated with pot keeps many users quiet about it. The few who are obvious smokers ("like, duuuuuuuuuuude") do not represent all, the majority or even a sizeable minority of smokers.
While you're at it, would you please sate my curiosity - how many times have you consumed alcohol and/or smoked tobacco?
Don't smoke tobacco and can't count the times I have consumed booze. You are pointless with your questions. Weed wacks the brain and is addictive. I live in Alabama and have lived lots of other places. Here the pot heads are the same class that would have been (and often are now) alcoholics during prohibition. They may start bright, but they don't end that way. Those are the ones with stereotypical missing teeth and dull minds. All of the evil three do permanate damage if done to excess. Most pot heads I know are probably older than the ones you know and the effects are very noticeable. I don't do much booze for those reasons. I did a lot in my twenties and probably can point to that as the origins of some of the problems I see as I age. Like I have said, you want to do that crap, it's your body. I am glad I slowed the booze down before it became too late.
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Originally posted by: Condor
Originally posted by: RBachman
You could get just the internet service for less, news included. You're in no position to talk about wasting money
While you're at it, would you please sate my curiosity - how many times have you consumed alcohol and/or smoked tobacco?
Don't smoke tobacco and can't count the times I have consumed booze. You are pointless with your questions. Weed wacks the brain and is addictive. I live in Alabama and have lived lots of other places. Here the pot heads are the same class that would have been (and often are now) alcoholics during prohibition. They may start bright, but they don't end that way. Those are the ones with stereotypical missing teeth and dull minds. All of the evil three do permanate damage if done to excess. Most pot heads I know are probably older than the ones you know and the effects are very noticeable. I don't do much booze for those reasons. I did a lot in my twenties and probably can point to that as the origins of some of the problems I see as I age. Like I have said, you want to do that crap, it's your body. I am glad I slowed the booze down before it became too late.
What you're saying is that in excess, both pot and alcohol are not good. I fully agree with you. However, you dont' seem to understand that use and abuse are two entirely different things. Another thing you don't understand is that pot is not addictive in the way alcohol, heroin and nicotine can be; there is never a chemical need in the human body for it. The only addictive property it has is that it's pleasureable; something it shares with food, TV, video games, etc... each of which has its own addicts. These are the two basic types of addiction. Cocaine blurs the line a bit, as the body can't create a chemical dependency on it but it directly stimulates dopamine release. Most pot users are not abusers. You'd do well to learn a bit; your laughably erroneous statements about it go a long way toward discrediting your words, and not only for this subject in this thread...
Everything looks good on youth. It's when the years start sitting in that you really see the negatives. I didn't believe that then, I do now. I've seen and experienced the reality of the years. I'm in pretty good shape for sixty. Many of my long time friends who didn't slow down or who smoked or did excessive booze or drugs are either dead or in really bad shape. Everytime I see some of them, I feel thankful that I made the decisions I have made. I'm also in a local VFW and see lots of the older guys in there. Lots of the younger guys there should be observing where they are going. They don't seem concerned. Every year a few die horrible deaths from lung cancer and suffer other tobacco (smoking) related illnesses. Gotta love wheeling an oxygen cylinder everyplace you go! Belay any other argument, you do have to smoke pot. That means it will result in the same issues over the years. Most pot smokers are also tobacco smokers. Nothing but bad down that road!
15 doses means that you have moved beyond casual and probably have to break an addiction to quit. Didn't say I didn't have an addiction to caffine. Said that I drank three cups a day. Didn't mention that I am down from 15 to 20 cups a day. Another reason I am glad I never tried pot if coffee was that hard to control. Another point since you moved the direction of the debate. Every medical report on coffee looks better. It looks like a nutritional supplement these days. I would have never believed that a few years ago. Pot doesn't get nearly such good press.
Originally posted by: RBachman
Originally posted by: Condor
Originally posted by: RBachman
You could get just the internet service for less, news included. You're in no position to talk about wasting money
While you're at it, would you please sate my curiosity - how many times have you consumed alcohol and/or smoked tobacco?
Don't smoke tobacco and can't count the times I have consumed booze. You are pointless with your questions. Weed wacks the brain and is addictive. I live in Alabama and have lived lots of other places. Here the pot heads are the same class that would have been (and often are now) alcoholics during prohibition. They may start bright, but they don't end that way. Those are the ones with stereotypical missing teeth and dull minds. All of the evil three do permanate damage if done to excess. Most pot heads I know are probably older than the ones you know and the effects are very noticeable. I don't do much booze for those reasons. I did a lot in my twenties and probably can point to that as the origins of some of the problems I see as I age. Like I have said, you want to do that crap, it's your body. I am glad I slowed the booze down before it became too late.
What you're saying is that in excess, both pot and alcohol are not good. I fully agree with you. However, you dont' seem to understand that use and abuse are two entirely different things. Another thing you don't understand is that pot is not addictive in the way alcohol, heroin and nicotine can be; there is never a chemical need in the human body for it. The only addictive property it has is that it's pleasureable; something it shares with food, TV, video games, etc... each of which has its own addicts. These are the two basic types of addiction. Cocaine blurs the line a bit, as the body can't create a chemical dependency on it but it directly stimulates dopamine release. Most pot users are not abusers. You'd do well to learn a bit; your laughably erroneous statements about it go a long way toward discrediting your words, and not only for this subject in this thread...
Keep using, get back to me in thirty years.
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Originally posted by: Condor
Originally posted by: RBachman
Originally posted by: Condor
Originally posted by: RBachman
You could get just the internet service for less, news included. You're in no position to talk about wasting money
While you're at it, would you please sate my curiosity - how many times have you consumed alcohol and/or smoked tobacco?
Don't smoke tobacco and can't count the times I have consumed booze. You are pointless with your questions. Weed wacks the brain and is addictive. I live in Alabama and have lived lots of other places. Here the pot heads are the same class that would have been (and often are now) alcoholics during prohibition. They may start bright, but they don't end that way. Those are the ones with stereotypical missing teeth and dull minds. All of the evil three do permanate damage if done to excess. Most pot heads I know are probably older than the ones you know and the effects are very noticeable. I don't do much booze for those reasons. I did a lot in my twenties and probably can point to that as the origins of some of the problems I see as I age. Like I have said, you want to do that crap, it's your body. I am glad I slowed the booze down before it became too late.
What you're saying is that in excess, both pot and alcohol are not good. I fully agree with you. However, you dont' seem to understand that use and abuse are two entirely different things. Another thing you don't understand is that pot is not addictive in the way alcohol, heroin and nicotine can be; there is never a chemical need in the human body for it. The only addictive property it has is that it's pleasureable; something it shares with food, TV, video games, etc... each of which has its own addicts. These are the two basic types of addiction. Cocaine blurs the line a bit, as the body can't create a chemical dependency on it but it directly stimulates dopamine release. Most pot users are not abusers. You'd do well to learn a bit; your laughably erroneous statements about it go a long way toward discrediting your words, and not only for this subject in this thread...
Keep using, get back to me in thirty years.
I don't, haven't in about ten years. But if I did once in a while, similarly to drinking once in a while or having an occasional cigar, the detrimental effects would be nonexistant. It's regular use / abuse which results in what you see and extrapolate to be all use.
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You are confused and brainwashed into blatant hypocrisy. Please, continue your outrageous and unlikely justifications, it only makes you look worse with every post.
First, caffeine is considerably more addictive that cannabis. In fact, cannabis creates no physical addiction at all, while caffeine creates a rather powerful physical addiction, complete with noticeable withdrawal systems. Second, more people have died from caffeine abuse than from cannabis, primarily from the known damage that long-term caffeine use does to the heart. In the meantime, no one has ever died from cannabis use. Not one person ever.
Quite simply, cannabis is human "cat nip." An absolutely harmless mild euphoric. It is precisely and exactly to humans as cat nip is to cats. Do you fear giving cat nip to your cats?
QFT. Condor has forced me to hold my tongue because I know anything more I say will lead to bad things.
Regardless... To each his own I say. :beer:
Please provide some evidence to support this claim. It shouldn't be difficult considering it's in "every medical report on coffee." I could really use a prescription of medicinal coffee for my nausea right about now.
EXman
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No smartass... It is when you are an adult you can actually make adult choices. People who are potheads regardless of brain power make bad choices and that is telling. FBI is law enforcement and well it is not lawful. Is any of this sinking in past the fog?
Steeplerot
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Originally posted by: EXman
No smartass... It is when you are an adult you can actually make adult choices. People who are potheads regardless of brain power make bad choices and that is telling. FBI is law enforcement and well it is not lawful. Is any of this sinking in past the fog?
The choice is fine, unless you smoke that fifteenth time lol..wtf haha where did they pull 15 from?
Plain stupid to be down on anyone for smoking, those with half a social life know the judges lawyers cops etc puff too.
EXman
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Originally posted by: Steeplerot
Originally posted by: EXman
No smartass... It is when you are an adult you can actually make adult choices. People who are potheads regardless of brain power make bad choices and that is telling. FBI is law enforcement and well it is not lawful. Is any of this sinking in past the fog?
The choice is fine, unless you smoke that fifteenth time lol..wtf haha where did they pull 15 from?
I guess it is 15 bad choices. and out of their ass and charged the taxpayers for the consultant fees. Seriously this is just another loosening the belt of moral fiber.
Steeplerot
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"moral fiber" is that anything like what righties use on their puckered asses to help make things "move" easier?
I don't see it as evil. As stated many times, it should be legalized.
In my experience, anything that distracts a person is dangerous.
As you stated, I am a sixty year old man from Alabama. Traveled most of the world and worked on every computer system from SAGE to date. Lots of experience and many of you will be very fortunate to do as well. I didn't get here by doing dumb chit things like pot. If caffine is addictive, I dropped the quantity I drink in 1978 simply because I swung a 72 pound tool kit at a system manager in a client account. When you can do things like that while working for Big Blue and have them beg you not to quit, you are pretty good at what you do! Fortunately, I missed. That was, in my mind, time to do a little less caffine. At that time I cut back to three cups a day. Never noticed any with drawal symptoms.
How many times do you see headlines where someone got into deep trouble or got killed while doing just a little weed? Excess anything is bad, even exercize.
I do know that the long term use does show in the face of the user. Did you see Bacon on Leno tonight. Don't know if he is a pot user, but his face indicates that he is. Your hero, Kerry, looked pretty bad before the botox too.
You can ignore my experience all you wish. I had people tell me pretty much the same stuff 20 - 30 years ago when I told them that smoking was bad. Most of those guys can't talk about that now! The ones that are still alive are in pretty bad shape to include a relative that no longer has vocal cords. Most of you are liberals. It is not to my advantage to help you live longer. You are stupid when you vote and you are stupid when you choose your recreations. That is to my advantage!
Originally posted by: RBachman
Originally posted by: Condor
Originally posted by: RBachman
Originally posted by: Condor
Originally posted by: RBachman
You could get just the internet service for less, news included. You're in no position to talk about wasting money
While you're at it, would you please sate my curiosity - how many times have you consumed alcohol and/or smoked tobacco?
Don't smoke tobacco and can't count the times I have consumed booze. You are pointless with your questions. Weed wacks the brain and is addictive. I live in Alabama and have lived lots of other places. Here the pot heads are the same class that would have been (and often are now) alcoholics during prohibition. They may start bright, but they don't end that way. Those are the ones with stereotypical missing teeth and dull minds. All of the evil three do permanate damage if done to excess. Most pot heads I know are probably older than the ones you know and the effects are very noticeable. I don't do much booze for those reasons. I did a lot in my twenties and probably can point to that as the origins of some of the problems I see as I age. Like I have said, you want to do that crap, it's your body. I am glad I slowed the booze down before it became too late.
What you're saying is that in excess, both pot and alcohol are not good. I fully agree with you. However, you dont' seem to understand that use and abuse are two entirely different things. Another thing you don't understand is that pot is not addictive in the way alcohol, heroin and nicotine can be; there is never a chemical need in the human body for it. The only addictive property it has is that it's pleasureable; something it shares with food, TV, video games, etc... each of which has its own addicts. These are the two basic types of addiction. Cocaine blurs the line a bit, as the body can't create a chemical dependency on it but it directly stimulates dopamine release. Most pot users are not abusers. You'd do well to learn a bit; your laughably erroneous statements about it go a long way toward discrediting your words, and not only for this subject in this thread...
Keep using, get back to me in thirty years.
I don't, haven't in about ten years. But if I did once in a while, similarly to drinking once in a while or having an occasional cigar, the detrimental effects would be nonexistant. It's regular use / abuse which results in what you see and extrapolate to be all use.
Truthfully, I agree with you on the health issues of rare usage. It is still illegal and if you get caught by the right cop and put in front of the right judge, it can ruin your future.
Steeplerot
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EXman
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Originally posted by: Steeplerot
Originally posted by: EXman
No smartass... It is when you are an adult you can actually make adult choices. People who are potheads regardless of brain power make bad choices and that is telling. FBI is law enforcement and well it is not lawful. Is any of this sinking in past the fog?
The choice is fine, unless you smoke that fifteenth time lol..wtf haha where did they pull 15 from?
Plain stupid to be down on anyone for smoking, those with half a social life know the judges lawyers cops etc puff too.
So you have to smoke weed to be social? yea right. Cop out.
Steeplerot
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