foolish501
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I'll vouch for Chantix. My wife and sister in law both quit using Chantix after 19 years smoking, and don't crave a cigarette any longer
HardcoreRobot
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But it does feed you nicotine and isn't it the drug in tobacco that's responsible for cancer? Even nicotine patches are said to be bad and not recommended for prolong use. The nicotine going into the body through the patch would stimulate blood vessel growth around that area which in turn raised the risk of cancer or something to that effect. Maybe somebody knows more about this issue.
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Correct, just a nicotine "patch/plug" in the tip, a unit that heats it and the moisture you draw into it, heats it into a vapor you inhale into your lungs. Dats it.
and I will post up that all day yesterday I drew on this like a mad man. The unit lasted almost 12 hours before going stone cold dead, and IM still getting puffs off the same cart, so its shown me that each one so ar is lasting almost the same as 2 packs of smokes, not one as I read they were supposed to be. Thats then 20 "packs" of smokes for little over $5
.I am going to buy anoter unit though, because it quit on me around 7pm and I had another 3 hours before heading to bed, so it kinda sucked not being able to draw on it for that bit of time. So having two if you deisde to puff puff puf on it is a must. I just need to ind me $20 to but it and another refill pack though I have 15 carts total left out of the 16 I got
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Here you go.
I read up on this unit for about a week and a half before buying it. Aside of the one artical, this unit has been out for almost 5 years, and so far I have yet to ind anything negitive about it other then the dent it is putting in the drug and tobacco makers pocket books. What I find great is I dont want to quit right now, I actually like lighting one up with a drink, or having a conversation, and this devices so far is giving me the best of all worlds with no ill side effects not only for me, but anyone around me as I puff away on this thing.
One of the addictions to smoking is the draw into the lungs and release, this simulates it. Granted its nothing more then water vapor, and the "smoke" that does come out my lungs is no where near as much as what went in, or would get from the real thing but I feel it, just like a regular one. Im not harming my family with this, nor me, no more yellow teeth, stinky clothes, I mean no more anything at all, even ashes all over my shirt and desk. I have a craving, I pick it up, drag a few times, and boom im good to go for 15-20 minutes, unless Im talking to a friend, then Im pretty much non stop on it like I would of been with the real thing stinking up not just my room but the whole house.
Im not trying to talk anyone into this thing, Im just wanting to report my findings, and feelings on this. If you want to quit all together more power to you. If you rather take a patch or pill, or even quit cold turkey, do it, I wont tell you otherwise, or the method your going about it is worse then this. Im just happy I found it myself for I get all the pleasures of smoking the real stuff without having all the crap that goes with it, and it saves me a ton o money to boot and felt some may find this as useful as me.
But to each their own. I hope some find this useul, a way to kick the habit for good for them, or like me are just looking into it to replace the real thing for good.
funboy, do you think it's making you "smoke" less now since you're saying you only take couple hits at a time or is it that much more potent? I'm thinking of getting this for my friend who's been trying to quit for a long time.
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Aside of what I did yesterday to see how long the battery and a cartrige lasts, without a doubt yes. Anytime I lit up I always made sure I took all the drags I could off it without missing any for I hate wasting money. So even if I didnt really crave a whole one, I would make sure what ever I was doing or about to do, like play a video game or even make a phone call, I worked it out around a cigarette, so that I can make sure once it was lit, I would get every bit off it, and not let it burn up in the ash tray.
But today Im enjoying the fact I dont have to worry and work around that no more. I get the craving, take 2-3 draggs, and put it down for 10-30 minutes before I want another drag off it. So yes, not only am I saving money, but its also opening up my life a bit more from my habbit and working around it.
Also today I took one of the carts apart, I do this with anything new I own, and all it is, is a plastic cap, inside is a foil cover, behind which a small ball of cotton in a liquid/oil substance. Nothing else. No gun pwder, no paper, no tobacco, nothing. It trully is just heatin that stuff up and turning it into a vapor, and there is no "burning" or "smoke" taste, just a hint of berry like, nothing nasty at all.
Plus in my condition its hard to hold onto small objects, even typing is a chore, this is my second time trying to type this out, and I still have to go over it for errors, which there will be some, but anyway, Ive dropped this thing 5-6 times already and still holding up to my abuse.
Hope this all helps. and I would say that this is more potent, all I have read is that this is many times less then the real deal, and I think or me I was more addicted to the smoking of a cigarette, then really what I was getting out of it. It became rutine, after dinner, or any meal, had to have one. After or durring drinking, anything, had to have one. Talking on the phone or drinking in a bar, had to have 2-3 packs, so thinking on it, its not getting any drug, I just liked the feeling I got from it, whih I have never experenced a "rush" rom one in my life as other said they have. There could of been alot worse things I could of been adicted to, especially in the last 5 years I been pumped into my body every thing from Codine to horse tranqulizers, and never got addicted to that stuff.
But as I said before it all depends on you. This is all based on my experence, and my feelings towards it. I posted it for there has to be others that may have the same feelings as I that may find this helpful to quit, or keep enjoying the puff and release without the side effect or really smoking. I can only post how its effected me, and others can take it from there what they may want to do with it. Considering the prices I saw other like units going for, and how its been for me so far, I had to post this all up for my fellow members
Funboy! you gotta quit man! that being said... easier said than done.
In one of your later posts i noticed u say that you have high blood pressure and some fine motor problems. You know that nicotine has deleterious effects on spinal pathways that control blood pressure and certain sensory responses. These things don't help those effects. At least you get less carcinogens and free radical formations tho (cancer risk).
But, these things do look cool =)
Would be a cool party trick to show your friends.
Seems like a good idea on the surface, but do you really want to be inhaling some cheap chemicals produced in china? For all you know it's contaminated with all sorts of toxic junk that will kill you and your children in a similar or worse fashion to really smoking.
It'd be great if it was exactly as described, but those big companies you are so distrustful of are the ones whose products are monitored by the FDA. This stuff you're buying from across the world comes from the people that make childrens toys with lead and milk with melamine.
I hope I'm wrong.
It'd be great if it was exactly as described, but those big companies you are so distrustful of are the ones whose products are monitored by the FDA. This stuff you're buying from across the world comes from the people that make childrens toys with lead and milk with melamine.
I hope I'm wrong.
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Yeah as if our own government would never put anything in our bodies that would be harmful, ***cough*** Asbestos, Avandia, Migrazone Caps (last two of which I was taking),Pace Maker Leads, almost any drug on the market that has warnigs of bleading, dry mouth, thoughts of suicide, depression, death, killing others, electric shock, and do I keep going on more drugs that have been passed through the FDA that were just totally safe for us and ended up killing hundreds before they recalled them or got sued for wrongful death or injury?
Why does everyone think that if it comes from or is made in a different country other then the USA its automaticly unsafe and every product the US produces is perfect in every way?
Every one bitches about Chinese cars, but go do a youtube search on the Ford F150 or Chevy Astro crash study, 2 of of many US produced vehicles that comes to mind, before they decided to improve on it and see what Ford and GM gave us, and everyone around the world, kinda looks like a Chinese car folding up
I mean come on people about 95% of all things made are made, or have most parts in them, made in China
Way this country is going, it will be bought by China, so better start studying up on learning how to speak it.
ericlp
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- Dec 24, 2000
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaporizer
yup, there is one for erb...
Dunno how it would work on whackytabbaci tho.
yup, there is one for erb...
Dunno how it would work on whackytabbaci tho.
I don't think it's just water vapor...I think it is the reaction of glycerine (or something similar) which is generally regarded as non-toxic (and used in stage productions in smoke machines). The items are not advertised as smoking cessation devices, though clearly thats an implied use. In short, they just want you to get hooked on their product whereas big tobacco wants you hooked on theirs, and big pharma the same. This device (or others of the same type like the Njoy) could be a revolution that saves many lives. But the snobby powers that be refuse to allow any compromise in the smoking wars. It emulates smoking too much, so they are scared of it...forget the fact that it could save lives...that's a side effect of their jobs...their primary job is to spread fear and nag people, and if they save a few lives, gee, even better.
Fer Chrissakes, just quit. It's not that hard to do. And after a week of willpower (which, by the way, is one of the things that separates us from less intelligent animals), the smell will disgust you, and you won't want it anymore.
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I never really said I wanted to quit myself. This is just a means I can keep my habit without the nasty side effects.
Though I will say that since getting it, I now no where near as much puff on it like I first got it, NOR when I tried a real one I about wanted to puke for it was NASTY, and actually hurt my lungs as I took a puff on it, making me sure 100% will never go back to the real thing again for me.
The Government never put any of that in anyones bodies. Entrepreneurs created and marketed very useful products (at the time) that in the case of some (Asbestos and others) the government at the time had no regulatory power to stop the sale of. Extensive reports of health problems that occurred much later in those exposed to the products caused the government to invest in scientific studies that revealed long term consequences for those products at which time the government had the power to block the sale for health and safety reasons in some cases and in others the company producing the product ceased sales for fear of lawsuits.
Other products you mention (Avandia, Pace Maker leads, etc) were again created by companies trying to market products that solved problems people were having. Much like above, comprehensive long term studies later revealed problems that were not anticipated at the time the product was created. These problems were found because of the extensive product safety rules in the USA require that they be reported to a government agency whereby statistical correlation can reveal elusive problems that may not be apparent until large numbers of people are using the product. After the problem was discovered often in consultation with the government agency responsible the company would pull the product, issue a recall and/or cease sales of the product to limit liability.
The government is not responsible for your health or what you put in your body. The government is responsible to help inform the public of what is safe and outright block the advertising of products that claim benefits they have no proof of. If the government was responsible for products being safe about 90% of the "herbal" medications sold would be illegal.
I don't know a single person that believes that, although I don't doubt there are a few. What the original poster warned you about and you ripped on him for was warning you that the product safety of the thing you purchased has not been evaluated by anyone. Not only that, but because it's sold outside the auspices of US government monitoring, if it did contain industrial waste for example, no one would ever know because not a single person is monitoring what's in the product, what it claims to do or anything about it other than the company producing it.
Originally posted by: funboy6942
Every one bitches about Chinese cars, but go do a youtube search on the Ford F150 or Chevy Astro crash study, 2 of of many US produced vehicles that comes to mind, before they decided to improve on it and see what Ford and GM gave us, and everyone around the world, kinda looks like a Chinese car folding up
I don't know what point you are trying to make here but it's clear that you don't know what you are talking about. If you want to discuss the merits of car safety I would point you to the IIHS (Insurance institute of highway safety) which runs much better crash tests than the government and on the limited Chinese cars tested in almost every case the drivers and passengers were severely injured if not killed in crashes that every other car on the market produced in the US, Japan or Europe would have had no injuries for either party. With any product, safety is often an empirical measurement, and there is ALWAYS room for improvement, but frankly to try to say that because you can come up with a couple incidents where US produced cars had bad safety justifies the sale and use of cars that don't even meet US standards for safety from the 60's is the worst debate tactic you could use. not only that but roadway safety is entirely different than almost any other type of product safety because the safety of your vehicle affects the other drivers of the roadway. If your e-cigarettes are fatal the only one that will suffer is you and anyone else exposed to the vapor, if the Chinese car you bought fails you could kill innocent people.
Originally posted by: funboy6942
I mean come on people about 95% of all things made are made, or have most parts in them, made in China
And the difference is that those products are sold in the US by US companies (or imported by US companies). Not only are they responsible legally for any problems that occur they are also responsible criminally if their products violate US product safety laws and cause deaths. As a result the product has a much more rigorous standard of safety. But not only that but because it's sold through US retailers problems with the products are tracked and compiled and have a much higher chance of having rare problems found.
But most important of all. Because this product was produced in a country with NO product oversight whatsoever (regardless of what they claim) the producer is the only one that has even the slightest inking of what the product contains. Not only that but because you are buying overseas there is not a single bit of product tracking. On top of that if there is something found to be wrong with it because there is no US company involved if something is found to be wrong with it, up to and including being fatal, there is NO recourse for you, your family or the government. No one can sue, no one can go to jail and nothing will ever happen to the company that produced and sold the product. As a result the producer of the product has absolutely no fear of anything ever happening to them if they produce a product that ends up killing you.
Before you dismiss it with your attempt to equate car safety you should consider for a moment that the piece of cotton you saw was soaked in chemicals that you have NO idea what they are. Nicotine is not soluble in water and what they used to vaporize it could be any number of a hundred chemicals. Very few of which are safe to inhale. You have consistently stated that you think you are inhaling water vapor and nicotine and that you are exhaling nothing but the same. The fact is you are WRONG. You could be inhaling and exhaling very safe chemicals, and you could be inhaling and exhaling something that could very well kill you and everyone exposed to what you are exhaling in two years. Just because you can't smell or taste it doesn't mean it's not dangerous. Warfarin, one of the most aggressive blood thinners on the market is not only colorless, tasteless and odorless it's lethal in very small doses. Natural gas is also colorless, tasteless and odorless (the odor is added by the gas company as a safety measure) and can be very fatal.
Before you dismiss out of hand you should consider the long term consequences of what you are doing, particularly to the innocent people in your household you could be exposing.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E-cigarette
Read the article and check out the ingredients yourselves, seems fairly accurate.
Note - this article only covers the ingredients in the official/patented version of the product (and even then, you're trusting the manufacturer for the accuracy of information).
It's not pretty, it's not exactly a quitting device, but I doubt it is worse then smoking.
P.S. Just quit damnit. Tired of running to pass you by on sidewalks, or figuring out which direction is downwind
Read the article and check out the ingredients yourselves, seems fairly accurate.
Note - this article only covers the ingredients in the official/patented version of the product (and even then, you're trusting the manufacturer for the accuracy of information).
It's not pretty, it's not exactly a quitting device, but I doubt it is worse then smoking.
P.S. Just quit damnit. Tired of running to pass you by on sidewalks, or figuring out which direction is downwind
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Originally posted by: rahvin
The Government never put any of that in anyones bodies. Entrepreneurs created and marketed very useful products (at the time) that in the case of some (Asbestos and others) the government at the time had no regulatory power to stop the sale of. Extensive reports of health problems that occurred much later in those exposed to the products caused the government to invest in scientific studies that revealed long term consequences for those products at which time the government had the power to block the sale for health and safety reasons in some cases and in others the company producing the product ceased sales for fear of lawsuits.
Other products you mention (Avandia, Pace Maker leads, etc) were again created by companies trying to market products that solved problems people were having. Much like above, comprehensive long term studies later revealed problems that were not anticipated at the time the product was created. These problems were found because of the extensive product safety rules in the USA require that they be reported to a government agency whereby statistical correlation can reveal elusive problems that may not be apparent until large numbers of people are using the product. After the problem was discovered often in consultation with the government agency responsible the company would pull the product, issue a recall and/or cease sales of the product to limit liability.
The government is not responsible for your health or what you put in your body. The government is responsible to help inform the public of what is safe and outright block the advertising of products that claim benefits they have no proof of. If the government was responsible for products being safe about 90% of the "herbal" medications sold would be illegal.
I don't know a single person that believes that, although I don't doubt there are a few. What the original poster warned you about and you ripped on him for was warning you that the product safety of the thing you purchased has not been evaluated by anyone. Not only that, but because it's sold outside the auspices of US government monitoring, if it did contain industrial waste for example, no one would ever know because not a single person is monitoring what's in the product, what it claims to do or anything about it other than the company producing it.
Originally posted by: funboy6942
Every one bitches about Chinese cars, but go do a youtube search on the Ford F150 or Chevy Astro crash study, 2 of of many US produced vehicles that comes to mind, before they decided to improve on it and see what Ford and GM gave us, and everyone around the world, kinda looks like a Chinese car folding up
I don't know what point you are trying to make here but it's clear that you don't know what you are talking about. If you want to discuss the merits of car safety I would point you to the IIHS (Insurance institute of highway safety) which runs much better crash tests than the government and on the limited Chinese cars tested in almost every case the drivers and passengers were severely injured if not killed in crashes that every other car on the market produced in the US, Japan or Europe would have had no injuries for either party. With any product, safety is often an empirical measurement, and there is ALWAYS room for improvement, but frankly to try to say that because you can come up with a couple incidents where US produced cars had bad safety justifies the sale and use of cars that don't even meet US standards for safety from the 60's is the worst debate tactic you could use. not only that but roadway safety is entirely different than almost any other type of product safety because the safety of your vehicle affects the other drivers of the roadway. If your e-cigarettes are fatal the only one that will suffer is you and anyone else exposed to the vapor, if the Chinese car you bought fails you could kill innocent people.
Originally posted by: funboy6942
I mean come on people about 95% of all things made are made, or have most parts in them, made in China
And the difference is that those products are sold in the US by US companies (or imported by US companies). Not only are they responsible legally for any problems that occur they are also responsible criminally if their products violate US product safety laws and cause deaths. As a result the product has a much more rigorous standard of safety. But not only that but because it's sold through US retailers problems with the products are tracked and compiled and have a much higher chance of having rare problems found.
But most important of all. Because this product was produced in a country with NO product oversight whatsoever (regardless of what they claim) the producer is the only one that has even the slightest inking of what the product contains. Not only that but because you are buying overseas there is not a single bit of product tracking. On top of that if there is something found to be wrong with it because there is no US company involved if something is found to be wrong with it, up to and including being fatal, there is NO recourse for you, your family or the government. No one can sue, no one can go to jail and nothing will ever happen to the company that produced and sold the product. As a result the producer of the product has absolutely no fear of anything ever happening to them if they produce a product that ends up killing you.
Before you dismiss it with your attempt to equate car safety you should consider for a moment that the piece of cotton you saw was soaked in chemicals that you have NO idea what they are. Nicotine is not soluble in water and what they used to vaporize it could be any number of a hundred chemicals. Very few of which are safe to inhale. You have consistently stated that you think you are inhaling water vapor and nicotine and that you are exhaling nothing but the same. The fact is you are WRONG. You could be inhaling and exhaling very safe chemicals, and you could be inhaling and exhaling something that could very well kill you and everyone exposed to what you are exhaling in two years. Just because you can't smell or taste it doesn't mean it's not dangerous. Warfarin, one of the most aggressive blood thinners on the market is not only colorless, tasteless and odorless it's lethal in very small doses. Natural gas is also colorless, tasteless and odorless (the odor is added by the gas company as a safety measure) and can be very fatal.
Before you dismiss out of hand you should consider the long term consequences of what you are doing, particularly to the innocent people in your household you could be exposing.
WOW, just wow. I guess I should feel honored that you took all that time out of your life to post a bitch about what I said. I didnt read most of it, but wow, I really struck a nerve on you
Go check out most my threads, and see if you can post more like this about anything I have ever said. Go ahead and waste more time on them too as if Id give a shite
lxskllr
No Lifer
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Try snuff instead. It's not too bad for you, it's pleasant, and it's cheap.
http://www.toquesnuff.com/
http://www.snuffstore.co.uk/
http://www.toquesnuff.com/
http://www.snuffstore.co.uk/
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