Smart Phone Gets Driver Out of a Speeding Ticket

[dmcowen674]

2-21-2011

http://yro.slashdot.org/story/11/02...m_campaign=Feed:+Slashdot/slashdot+(Slashdot)

Smart Phone Gets Driver Out of a Speeding Ticket

"The speed limit in the area was a mere 25 miles per hour and the cop's radar gun shockingly clocked me driving over 40 miles per hour."

Once in court Katta asked the officer the last time he attended radar gun training, when the device was last calibrated, or the unit's model number — none of which the officer could answer.

"I then presented my time stamped GPS data with details about my average moving speed and maximum speed during my short drive home. Both numbers were well within the posted speed limits," says Katta.

"The judge took a moment and declared that I was not guilty, but he had an unusual statement that followed.

To avoid any misinterpretations about his ruling, he chose to clarify his decision by citing the lack of evidence on the officer's part.

He mentioned that he was not familiar enough with GPS technology to make a decision based on my evidence, but I can't help but imagine that it was an important factor.""
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http://skattertech.com/2011/02/how-my-smart-phone-got-me-out-of-a-speeding-ticket-in-traffic-court/

After a lengthy pause, the judge asked how I obtained the GPS tracking information. I provided a detailed explanation about my new awesome smart phone, the application in use, and how I exported the data.

After questioning whether the data was reliable, I mentioned the in progress Sonoma County Superior Court trial regarding the same matter about the credibility of both technologies.

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So there is a case in progress that will either allow police forces to continue to lie about their speed traps or arm citizens with their first ability to refute the speed traps.

 

[Malak]

This assumes radar guns are unreliable or cops lie or that speeders don’t lie.

 

[Minjin]

Except that it didn't.

 

[The Sauce]

My wife and I have been busted three times in a corrupt and fraudulent speed trap near our home. Had to pay out $150 each time doing well within the speed limit. I have been thinking that GPS data could be used in court to defend these but not sure how.

I was thinking it would be great if GPS mfgrs made GPS with SD slots where you could record your trip data onto an SD card in a secure fashion for such a purpose.

 

[Rubycon]

When will the car's own GPS just record the speeds and share that information with the police directly? Eliminates the hazards and costs of speed traps.

 

[dmcowen674]

My wife and I have been busted three times in a corrupt and fraudulent speed trap near our home. Had to pay out $150 each time doing well within the speed limit. I have been thinking that GPS data could be used in court to defend these but not sure how.

I was thinking it would be great if GPS mfgrs made GPS with SD slots where you could record your trip data onto an SD card in a secure fashion for such a purpose.

Use this Wi-Fi SD card

http://www.eye.fi/

I use it all the time

 

[Malak]

When will the car's own GPS just record the speeds and share that information with the police directly? Eliminates the hazards and costs of speed traps.

Because then the criminals will complain it is an infringement of privacy, the umbrella excuse invented for criminals to get away with things.

 

[Cogman]

When will the car's own GPS just record the speeds and share that information with the police directly? Eliminates the hazards and costs of speed traps.

Yes, but it also prove guilt when people were actually speeding. Don't want that .

People want the ability to speed and not get caught for it. I can't see a system like the one proposed being implemented unless it also goes the other way and works as proof for speeding as well.

 

[Rubycon]

Yes, but it also prove guilt when people were actually speeding. Don't want that .

People want the ability to speed and not get caught for it. I can't see a system like the one proposed being implemented unless it also goes the other way and works as proof for speeding as well.

Imagine with such a system what they could do. It goes far beyond speeding!

The system like a flight recorder used on aircraft records speed, weather conditions, acceleration, GPS/street data all in real time. This could be gathered and used for driver profiling. A FOB or ignition key with biometrics would be used to validate authorized drivers. For drunks BOC validation would be required.

If a driver regularly exceeds posted speed limits a tax could be imposed on their license/tag renewals. Speed if you like - they will make you pay! But it hardly stops there! If you take turns too fast, cut people off (other drivers would have a "report asshole driver" button, for example - which in its own works both ways to prevent retaliatory digital road rage) - so drivers that take lots of chances have a higher risk assessment. This data gets periodically updated to Clue reporting systems for insurance agencies to review. Again, speed freaks and rude drivers that take chances, flip off other drivers, even blow their horns near hospitals - will pay for it.

Like to "peel out" when the light turns green? That will cost too when you buy tires and gasoline. Those events will trigger more "risky entertainment" taxes at the pump and service stations!

Text while driving? There would be a tax to do that too.

Isn't technology fun? :biggrin:

 

[AnonymouseUser]

No it did not.

 

[SparkyJJO]

Imagine with such a system what they could do. It goes far beyond speeding!

The system like a flight recorder used on aircraft records speed, weather conditions, acceleration, GPS/street data all in real time. This could be gathered and used for driver profiling. A FOB or ignition key with biometrics would be used to validate authorized drivers. For drunks BOC validation would be required.

If a driver regularly exceeds posted speed limits a tax could be imposed on their license/tag renewals. Speed if you like - they will make you pay! But it hardly stops there! If you take turns too fast, cut people off (other drivers would have a "report asshole driver" button, for example - which in its own works both ways to prevent retaliatory digital road rage) - so drivers that take lots of chances have a higher risk assessment. This data gets periodically updated to Clue reporting systems for insurance agencies to review. Again, speed freaks and rude drivers that take chances, flip off other drivers, even blow their horns near hospitals - will pay for it.

Like to "peel out" when the light turns green? That will cost too when you buy tires and gasoline. Those events will trigger more "risky entertainment" taxes at the pump and service stations!

Text while driving? There would be a tax to do that too.

Isn't technology fun? :biggrin:

Uhh no thanks.

1) If you're in a new area and you miss a speed limit sign (behind a semi for example) then there is no room for an honest mistake.
2) Define "taking a turn too fast"
3) That "report driver" button could easily be abused.
4) If you want to burn a little rubber, well, you're already paying for it when you have to replace your tires early or go to the gas pump more often. An additional tax is stupid (we need more taxes like we need a hole in the head).
5) Just the idea of the government tracking every little thing I do while in the car is an invasion of privacy, IMO. No, I don't say this as someone who regularly speeds and does stupid stunts (I'm usually the one people get annoyed at because I DON'T speed), It's just opening a can of worms and could very easily be abused.

 

[destrekor]

When will the car's own GPS just record the speeds and share that information with the police directly? Eliminates the hazards and costs of speed traps.

oh no you don't... don't even dare suggest that. They'll do it. Oh, they'll do it - we don't need support for it from the citizen community.

 

[disappoint]

Imagine with such a system what they could do. It goes far beyond speeding!

The system like a flight recorder used on aircraft records speed, weather conditions, acceleration, GPS/street data all in real time...

Just remember, there's no speed limit in the sky! Well ok there is, the earth's escape velocity. But that's already enforced!

 

[dmcowen674]

oh no you don't... don't even dare suggest that. They'll do it. Oh, they'll do it - we don't need support for it from the citizen community.

Every car with a phone either internal or external is tracked anyway.

 

[Malak]

oh no you don't... don't even dare suggest that. They'll do it. Oh, they'll do it - we don't need support for it from the citizen community.

Why would it matter if they did?

Ultimately my stance is no laws or enforcement, but I always love hearing how people want others judged but never themselves.

 

[ussfletcher]

Because then the criminals will complain it is an infringement of privacy, the umbrella excuse invented for criminals to get away with things.

No, that is the umbrella excuse of personal freedom.

 

[Malak]

No, that is the umbrella excuse of personal freedom.

As soon as you decided you wanted laws and government you gave up that freedom. As long as you continue to support them you will never have freedom.

 

[SparkyJJO]

As soon as you decided you wanted laws and government you gave up that freedom. As long as you continue to support them you will never have freedom.

Freedom != anarchy

 

[SooperDave]

Every car with a phone either internal or external is tracked anyway.

They only start tracking you after you buy vinegar

 

[Rubycon]

Uhh no thanks.

1) If you're in a new area and you miss a speed limit sign (behind a semi for example) then there is no room for an honest mistake.

The system is "smart" enough to provide driver feedback as well. It will alert you once you are 7m/h above posted speed.

2) Define "taking a turn too fast"

Where onboard accelerometers can detect a skid from going into a turn too fast. The data is continuously recorded and produces an index much as WEI profiles a personal computer.

3) That "report driver" button could easily be abused.

In a duplex system the reporter as well as the reportee have a challenge/response system to validate claims. Too many false alarms hurts the cries of wolf for abusers too.

4) If you want to burn a little rubber, well, you're already paying for it when you have to replace your tires early or go to the gas pump more often. An additional tax is stupid (we need more taxes like we need a hole in the head).

That seems to be the solution these days to tax everything to hell and back, right? Might as well put scales at the petrol stations and taxes based on vehicle weight. Would not apply to commercial vehicles. The Xerox guy that drives the H3 pays $7 gallon while the Cisco kid driving the smart car pays $1.20 gallon.

5) Just the idea of the government tracking every little thing I do while in the car is an invasion of privacy, IMO. No, I don't say this as someone who regularly speeds and does stupid stunts (I'm usually the one people get annoyed at because I DON'T speed), It's just opening a can of worms and could very easily be abused.

What can be abused will be abused. Might as well have sex with big brother and get it over with. D:

 

[Malak]

Freedom != anarchy

Doesn't it? Or do you think anarchy is a bad thing?

 

[MotF Bane]

Imagine with such a system what they could do. It goes far beyond speeding!

The system like a flight recorder used on aircraft records speed, weather conditions, acceleration, GPS/street data all in real time. This could be gathered and used for driver profiling. A FOB or ignition key with biometrics would be used to validate authorized drivers. For drunks BOC validation would be required.

If a driver regularly exceeds posted speed limits a tax could be imposed on their license/tag renewals. Speed if you like - they will make you pay! But it hardly stops there! If you take turns too fast, cut people off (other drivers would have a "report asshole driver" button, for example - which in its own works both ways to prevent retaliatory digital road rage) - so drivers that take lots of chances have a higher risk assessment. This data gets periodically updated to Clue reporting systems for insurance agencies to review. Again, speed freaks and rude drivers that take chances, flip off other drivers, even blow their horns near hospitals - will pay for it.

Like to "peel out" when the light turns green? That will cost too when you buy tires and gasoline. Those events will trigger more "risky entertainment" taxes at the pump and service stations!

Text while driving? There would be a tax to do that too.

Isn't technology fun? :biggrin:

Uh, no.

 

[Cogman]

Doesn't it? Or do you think anarchy is a bad thing?

True anarchy will never, ever, exist. The moment an anarchy situation arises a microgovernment will form. Someone will fight for power, and viola, the anarchy is gone. The only way it couldn't exist is if people didn't exist or they were completely isolated from each other.

The moment that situation changes, anarchy ceases to exist.

So it is totally pointless to subscribe to the anarchists beliefs. The fact of the matter is, government will always exists. So instead of spending all your time trying bitching and moaning "Oh, Governments shouldn't exist!" why not do something productive and work to create the best government possible.

 

[Malak]

True anarchy will never, ever, exist. The moment an anarchy situation arises a microgovernment will form. Someone will fight for power, and viola, the anarchy is gone. The only way it couldn't exist is if people didn't exist or they were completely isolated from each other.

The moment that situation changes, anarchy ceases to exist.

So it is totally pointless to subscribe to the anarchists beliefs. The fact of the matter is, government will always exists. So instead of spending all your time trying bitching and moaning "Oh, Governments shouldn't exist!" why not do something productive and work to create the best government possible.

Anarchy has existed and continues to exist, you simply assume it doesn't or can't.

 

[Cogman]

Anarchy has existed and continues to exist, you simply assume it doesn't or can't.

Bullcrap. Give my one example where anarchy exists among humans.