Sure is a good thing we have a "QUOTE' function or you guys would be exhausted with all that cut and paste.
As are the dems. What are some raw numbers for both parties? Preferably separate drug companies from tobacco and alcohol companies.
Republican motto: Look busy, save the voter from his worst nightmare. And don't forget to create it first.
He's making a list, he's checking it twice, the Mullah's going to find out who's naughty and nice.
I have seen the contrails in the sky,
and all I can say is my oh my.
You people and your tinfoil hats must be conservatives. Events have moved way past you, probably still wondering what's boradcast on channel 1.
He's making a list, he's checking it twice, the Mullah's going to find out who's naughty and nice.
I have seen the contrails in the sky,
and all I can say is my oh my.
You people and your tinfoil hats must be conservatives. Events have moved way past you, probably still wondering what's boradcast on channel 1.
Oh not much. It's just that you have Democrat apologist like Thera and Moonbeam coming on here and spouting off that the whole smallpox threat is nothing but a Republican conspiracy.
Democratic apologists? And to think just the other day I as being asked what 'republican apologists' are.
Rule one. Follow the money. Vaccine=dollars-law suites=-dollars+republicans=special interest legislation=no more law suits=profit. It's really simple. The only thing that gets in the way of full comprehension is just the small matter of being blinded by that old training=authority is never wrong. Tip: The wise men are all fools.
Rule one. Follow the money. Vaccine=dollars-law suites=-dollars+republicans=special interest legislation=no more law suits=profit. It's really simple. The only thing that gets in the way of full comprehension is just the small matter of being blinded by that old training=authority is never wrong. Tip: The wise men are all fools.
Yep, this is all part of a vast right wing conspiracy to make more money for the vaccine companies. You caught them Moonbeam. Damn your good.
Tell me something, will you be pulling your head out for Christmas or will your presents have to be swallowed before you can see them?
Sleestak, what does that do with the fact that the Republicans recieve lots of money from sources that would stand to gain from a serious implementation of small pox vaccination? Whether or not that is what is actually happening, because I'm sure these super rich politicians and business people, so unbelievably far removed from the ordinary guy, are acting out of some Godlike altruism, the money connections are there.
Are any of your 11093 posts anything with a point? Or are they all mindless ramblings about some imagined evil that only you can see and the rest of us are ignorant morons? Cause that's sure the message I'm getting over here.
And about the vaccinations, I'm not getting one until there is a real outbreak. While it may be too late, I don't think there's a very good chance they'll hit Ames Iowa first, and in fact I think the whole thing is garbage. If they had it, why are they sitting on it while we hunt them down? Doesn't make a whole lot of sense. Just think about it.
someone please make moonbeam go away...
11k posts and maybe 5 of them don't make me want to grind the guy into a snowball....
"Gee, I think I will ramble about some crap I heard people talking about in school, throw in some big words from my word of the day calendar, intentionally spell a few words wrong (that will be my "thing" on line), and push all the hot 'buttons' that are sure to get a reaction from people...aren't I cool"
The above represents the likely thought process of moon-boy.
Three words for you moonboy....GET a Woman!
11k posts and maybe 5 of them don't make me want to grind the guy into a snowball....
"Gee, I think I will ramble about some crap I heard people talking about in school, throw in some big words from my word of the day calendar, intentionally spell a few words wrong (that will be my "thing" on line), and push all the hot 'buttons' that are sure to get a reaction from people...aren't I cool"
The above represents the likely thought process of moon-boy.
Three words for you moonboy....GET a Woman!
I don't know what your problem is, but I bet it's hard to pronounce. I'm sure they have medication for it though, although that might be supporting the "evil Republicans".
Uh, and no one invented those planes crashing into those buildings. So why don't you take those oddball "theories" of yours and cram 'em right up your ass.
My my, the fish are jumping in the pond tonight. Must be the moon.
Rainsford, terribly sorry about you getting the message you're an ignorant moron. Sorry to hear it. But buck up, you're not alone, apparently. And naturqlly you are so far behind the times that you completely missed the meaning behind the contrails clue. Had nothing whatsoever to do with 9/11. Check google for the contrails conspiracy.
Goodness me, neoV, how many times do I have to tell you linguistic unadequacy sufferers it's not "big words" it's "sesquipedalian words". Geez! And I guess you're cool. You wouldn't by any chance BE a woman would you. I'm looking for volunteers.
Rainsford, terribly sorry about you getting the message you're an ignorant moron. Sorry to hear it. But buck up, you're not alone, apparently. And naturqlly you are so far behind the times that you completely missed the meaning behind the contrails clue. Had nothing whatsoever to do with 9/11. Check google for the contrails conspiracy.
Goodness me, neoV, how many times do I have to tell you linguistic unadequacy sufferers it's not "big words" it's "sesquipedalian words". Geez! And I guess you're cool. You wouldn't by any chance BE a woman would you. I'm looking for volunteers.
Hmmm....curious then that the contract to produce the vaccine was awarded in to Acambis PLC in September of 2000 BEFORE President Bush became President.
"Acambis Inc., the US subsidiary of British firm Acambis plc, will produce the vaccine in partnership with Baxter BioScience, part of Baxter Healthcare Corp., according to an Acambis press release. Acambis originally won a $343 million contract from the CDC in September 2000 to produce 40 million doses of smallpox vaccine by 2004. After the terrorist attacks of last Sept 11, the CDC renegotiated the contract to change the delivery date to the end of 2002 and increase the doses to 54 million. The new contract means the company will be producing a total of 209 million doses for HHS. Acambis Inc. is based in Cambridge, Mass."
All that has happened under a Repblican administration is that 14 million more doses were ordered and the delivery date was moved up. Yep, it just reaks of a Republican conspiracy.
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Ok... original order was 40 million units due in 2004. President Bush Super sizes it and it becomes total of 209 million. I fail to see how this is a "free" upgrade. And I also fail to see how 209 million doses will cover the citizenry.
I honestly don't think it's 100% about money. I think it's about maintaining a certain amount of public fear. The more fear the voters have come election day the more Republicans will win. Remember kiddies... Vote for patriotism!
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Sorry, folks, but Moonie is right.
In much the same way the Dems like giving out hard-earned taxpayer dollars to bums and lazy welfare moms, the Pubs like give out your money to corporations that have done nothing to earn it except make campaign contributions. I don't have exact figures, but those 300 million smallpox shots run up at several bucks a piece plus administrative costs, all paid for by Uncle Sam. Tidy business for some of the pharmaceuticals. Otherwise, there is no threat of smallpox. It's a poor terrorist weapon, with a relatively low mortality rate (it only kills 30% of its victims), relatively slow acting, and nearly impossible to control (the biggest problem with biologicals).
God, the Republican party is not what it used to be... if GW told everyone that jumping off a cliff was a good idea, the world would be run by liberals within a day. :Q :disgust:
In much the same way the Dems like giving out hard-earned taxpayer dollars to bums and lazy welfare moms, the Pubs like give out your money to corporations that have done nothing to earn it except make campaign contributions. I don't have exact figures, but those 300 million smallpox shots run up at several bucks a piece plus administrative costs, all paid for by Uncle Sam. Tidy business for some of the pharmaceuticals. Otherwise, there is no threat of smallpox. It's a poor terrorist weapon, with a relatively low mortality rate (it only kills 30% of its victims), relatively slow acting, and nearly impossible to control (the biggest problem with biologicals).
God, the Republican party is not what it used to be... if GW told everyone that jumping off a cliff was a good idea, the world would be run by liberals within a day. :Q :disgust:
You can't read can you? The Bush Administration increased the order to 54 million. The total amount stockpiled that was produced by Acambis will be 209 million. The total amount of the vaccine on hand is 286 million, 209 million of those doses being produced by Acambis.
Ineterestingly if you do some research on Acambis you will find that they are major contributors to the Labour(liberal) party in England.
30% mortality rate? Where did you get those numbers? From what I've been reading the mortality rate is well over 60% even when recieving the best of medical treatment. A poor weapon? Yeah that's why the Soviet Union spent so much time and money creating a super strain of Small Pox to use in warfare.Originally posted by: Vic
Sorry, folks, but Moonie is right.
In much the same way the Dems like giving out hard-earned taxpayer dollars to bums and lazy welfare moms, the Pubs like give out your money to corporations that have done nothing to earn it except make campaign contributions. I don't have exact figures, but those 300 million smallpox shots run up at several bucks a piece plus administrative costs, all paid for by Uncle Sam. Tidy business for some of the pharmaceuticals. Otherwise, there is no threat of smallpox. It's a poor terrorist weapon, with a relatively low mortality rate (it only kills 30% of its victims), relatively slow acting, and nearly impossible to control (the biggest problem with biologicals).
God, the Republican party is not what it used to be... if GW told everyone that jumping off a cliff was a good idea, the world would be run by liberals within a day. :Q :disgust:
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CDC Smallpox Home
edit: according to them, it's 30% with no medical treatment.
Where do you get your figures?
And yes, a poor terrorist weapon... for exactly the reasons I gave and more. Difficult and expensive to acquire, relatively low mortality rate, slow-acting (average incubation period of 12-14 days before any symptoms appear!), and virtually uncontrollable (could easily turn attacker into victim).
Further edit: smallpox is also not very contagious either, further decreasing its value as a terrorist weapon. From CDC website:
"Generally, direct and fairly prolonged face-to-face contact is required to spread smallpox from one person to another. Smallpox also can be spread through direct contact with infected bodily fluids or contaminated objects such as bedding or clothing. Rarely, smallpox has been spread by virus carried in the air in enclosed settings such as buildings, buses, and trains. Humans are the only natural hosts of variola. Smallpox is not known to be transmitted by insects or animals."
No, this whole thing is hype to make some pharmaceuticals out there several billion dollars... and you have fallen for it. Don't you have a cliff to jump off?
So, Bush orders more and opens the possibility of ordering even more? I don't see how this disputes what has been said.
It may be hard to acquire, but the Russians were making tons of the stuff at one time, so it can't be terribly hard to mass-produce, if needed.
Which is why some have been working on making it travel well through the air. What prevents terrorists from using the flat or hemorrhagic variations of Variola major, anyway?
Now why would airborne "enhanced" smallpox be better for terrorists than a more dangerous virus such as Ebola? Ebola can only be spread from direct contact, unlike smallpox. From the CDC site linked above:
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For the same reasons shown in your link. Ebola is extremely fast-acting (onset of symptoms is almost immediate after infection) and has a mortality rate. It also has the benefit of being highly contagious despite the lack of airborne infection. For these reasons, it is ideal as a terrorist weapon because it is fast and controllable. Victims are known immediately AND likely to die, factors which intensify impact while at the same time reducing spread.
With smallpox, OTOH, circumstances are much different.
BTW, anyone got a credible medical link to this "Russian-made airborne enhanced" smallpox? I've heard a lot about it, and God forbid I go against conventional wisdom here, but right now it sounds a lot to me like that "Red Mercury" backpack nuke they supposedly made as well.
The info about the Russian smallpox (and other things) is in this book. You may choose to throw out anything stated in that book that does not fit with your preconceived ideas, but that's your choice, not mine.
Also, consider that terrorists generally want to kill lots of people. Ebola would be rather limited in its spread unless it were introduced in many places, while smallpox would spread more widely with less effort on the part of the terrorists. And, FWIW, smallpox does have a mortality rate as well, but of course admitting that smallpox could be a danger would go against the mentality that exists here of criticizing everything that President Bush does.
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