Small Business Server 2003

kasey01

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I have never setup or installed any server OS. I want to know whether I'll be able to setup Small Business Server 2003 Standard edition by myself or if I should hire an IT guy. My experience consists of building my own desktops, installing XP, and setting up a basic network with router and wireless AP.

I am thinking about buying a Dell SC430 for my small office with 6 computers. Right now I have these computers connected to an 8 port Linsys router in a peer to peer setup. I want to move to a client-server network so that all our data is stored in one place. I know that I can either add another network card to the SC430 and put it between my router and a switch (which I don't currently have), or I can connect the SC430 as it is to my router. Which should I do?

Any help or advice is greatly appreciated. Thanks.
 

stardrek

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SBS 2003 is pretty people friendly but there might be settings that you just don't know about that would be good for your office. There are plently of beginner books to look at but I would not want something that is core to the operation of my office setup by someone who didn't know EXACTLY what should be done. It may be a cost that you don't want but there is nothing better then peace of mind when it comes to IT.

Could you do it on your own, most likley. Will there be problems, I would guess not. Could it break and there be issues because something isn't setup just so? It's Microsoft...does it ever ALWAYS work...no.

I am not saying to hire on a permanant bases. Just someone to do your setup and that you can call if needed. Get an MS support contract, MS has lots of helpful people if you are willing to do it.
 

RebateMonger

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First off, let me state that I'm an IT consultant who specializes in SBS, so I'm prejudiced.

SBS 2003 is a FANTASTIC product for companies with 2 to (roughly) 75 computers. SBS solves the vast majority of IT headaches that small businesses have.

The standard installation for SBS 2003 is to use two network cards, connecting one to the router and the other to a swtich. All client PCs are connected to the switch. This allows SBS to act as a firewall and avoids some common problems seen with SBS installations (DHCP and DNS configuration problems).

As a consultant, much of my business comes from fixing improperly-installed SBS setups. In a lot of ways, SBS is easier to use and manage than separate servers. But it IS an Exchange Server as well as a Domain Controller. And an ISA and SQL Server if you use SBS Premium. Vary from the built-in Wizards, and you are very likely to mess things up. The most common problems I see come from experienced IT people (often with NT or even Server 2000 or 2003 experience) attempting to outsmart the Wizards and do things manually. That's really a not-smart choice in the case of SBS. I'm an MCSE in Server 2003 and perfectly capable of manually configuring a DNS Server. But I NEVER touch an SBS's DNS Server except when repairing a messed-up installation done by somebody who ignored the Wizards.

Be VERY careful with joining client PCs and second Servers to the SBS Domain. Use the Wizards or you'll regret it! Also, be sure that you understand how to migrate current User profiles to their new SBS Domain profile. It's easy to end up with "lost" email or files. Also, pay REALLY close attention to your internal Domain name. DON'T use your "Internet Domain Name"!!!! And have a pre-designed strategy for User Names, Computer Names, and for your email Default Recipient Policy.

I get calls from a lot of new clients who've pre-purchased their Server, their hardware, and their software. Often, they've purchased hardware or software that's more costly than they needed and isn't required. $700 add-on backup software, for instance, isn't needed by many SBS owners. Also, some clients would be better served by backup solutions that don't involve tape. Many have purchased the wrong Antivirus software for their Server. If the clients had spent an hour with an SBS consultant BEFORE buying their Server, they would have saved a lot of money.

The convention in SBS-consultant-land is to do your first install of SBS THREE times. Once to make most of the mistakes, once to learn how to do it the right way, and once for the final install. I HIGHLY recommend reading one of the SBS 2003 textbooks first. Harry Brelsfords's beginning SBS 2003 book is a good first read.

If you are willing to do some reading first and have time to learn some details of Active Directory and Exchange, then it's certainly possible to install and manage SBS yourself. But there are some gotcha's:
1) If you get a Server with SBS pre-installed, consider re-installing it. The System Partition is usually too small and will likely cause you headache in the future. Also, you'll want to change the default location of User data folders and Exchange Stores.
Plan on spending significant time learning how to do the install correctly.
2) I recommend buying only RETAIL SBS 2003 and custom-installing it. It's about the same price and has much fewer licensing restrictions, and you'll get the correct partitioning of your drive(s).
3) If you don't do the SBS install correctly, you'll end up with a non-functional or problematic SBS Server that you may have to hire a consultant to fix. The fix will likely be a complete re-install, which will take considerably more time that it would to do it right the first time, because you now have important account information, data, and email to restore. I just did one of these two weeks ago. NOTHING worked right. None of the features worked. Remote access didn't work. The install was done by a part-time IT consultant with no SBS training or experience.
4) Without some professional instruction, you'll doubtless miss taking advantage of some of SBS's features, or will spend significant time finding them. It's sad to see companies ignoring the amazing abilities of Exchange, SharePoint, and Remote Web Workplace.
5) Decide in advance how you want to handle User account security. I recommend making all Users "Limited Users" on their computers and on the Domain. Doing this GREATLY reduces the chances of malware attacks but requires an understanding of how to work around problems caused by poorly-written software.
6) Require LONG passwords and enforce them with SBS policies. I recommend requiring 14-character, minimum, password lengths. Think: Easy-to-Use but Hard-to-Break PASSPHRASES.
7) What is your time worth? What is your business downtime worth? An experienced SBS consultant will do the install efficiently with near-zero interruption to your business. Trying to do this stuff yourself will take a lot of time and will, doubtless, interrupt your business.

Again, I'm prejudiced. But I'd recommend hiring an SBS-specific consultant to guide you through the installation. Microsoft Small Business Specialists have passed Microsoft SBS exams that test their ability to design, install and manage SBS 2003 networks. Microsoft maintains a listing of Small Business Specialists on its web site. A Specialist can help you set up your Internet (email and remote-access) connectivity (a common stumbling block), guide you through a safe backup and recovery strategy, and to tutor you on proper SBS Server management. And it'll give you an expert who already knows your Server setup to call on if you run into problems in the future.
 

Genx87

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The people who ran\built our server before I got here setup SBS 2000. Let me tell you this thing was a mess and I got it to a point where it works fine for its job (AD Primary, DNS, WINS, DHCP, File Server, AV server) but I would love to sit down for a day and rebuild it. However that is not an option so I got it working good but not great and I will let it runs through its life cycle which will end in May of 07 and be replaced by a std 2003 server at that time.


 

JackMDS

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kasey01, you got yourself an excellent post by RebateMonger, I might add my 2 cents.

As compare to need in the past to set such systems, SBS is easy.

The difficulty arises when during installation, you have to make choices and you are Not familiar with the terms used and what it means specifically in SBS.

Therefore, you have to start with experimental computer, a Good book by your side and a second computer connected to the Internet. When installing you can use the Book and a search bar for clarification in order to make the correct choice.

Migration is usually a Head Ache, but since to have now peer to peer there is not any thing to Migrate. I do not know how your current email works, but if it were important to preserve the old email, you would have to attend to it.

Few links that might help.

http://www.microsoft.com/technet/prodtechnol/sbs/2003/plan/gsg/default.mspx

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;907354

http://www.petri.co.il/sbs_2000_installation_tips.htm

http://www.petri.co.il/packt_sbs_book.htm

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kasey01

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Thanks for the great replies! I think I'd rather let someone else install SBS 2003. The question I need answered now is: do I really need a client server network?
 

RebateMonger

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Originally posted by: kasey01
...do I really need a client server network?
I can tell you that once owners start using SBS, they don't ask that question again. ;)

It just makes SO many problems go away. Security; sharing information; managing email; keeping important data and documents safe. These all become non-problems. Backups, which are SELDOM done correctly in small businesses, become trivial with SBS. Plus the ability to work from home or while traveling makes it worth the investment for many.

I'm sure you could get a consultant to review your office's needs and give you a demonstration of SBS. I have an entire SBS network installed on my laptop (in Virtual PC 2004) for demos.
 

stardrek

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Originally posted by: RebateMonger
Originally posted by: kasey01
...do I really need a client server network?
I can tell you that once owners start using SBS, they don't ask that question again. ;)

It just makes SO many problems go away. Security; sharing information; managing email; keeping important data and documents safe. These all become non-problems. Plus the ability to work from home or while traveling makes it worth the investment for many.

BINGO!
 

RebateMonger

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Jack,

While the Trial Kit is cool, I really find the Kit more appropriate for IT experts than for business owners. In order to properly do the evaluation, the owner is going to have to go through all the installation steps (including Remote Access configuration and the addition of at least one client PC). And if he has problems, he won't get a good idea of what SBS can really do. Basically, in order to do a proper trial of SBS, you'd need to fully configure a working SBS installation. That takes significant time if you've never done it before.

It's worthwhile for an IT professional, but not really practical for a business owner.

It'd be better to get a demonstration of a working SBS network, so you can try out all the features and see how it all works together. There's really no need to learn the technical details of how to install SBS just to see what it can do for you. It's kinda' like having to build a car from scratch before taking it out for a test drive. That's not an effective way to buy a car.

That's why I think a business owner looking at SBS would be better off talking to someone deeply familiar with the product and its business uses, instead of starting off trying to build a trial SBS Server from scratch.
 

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OP, installing SBS 2003 is quite simple and with your background you should have no problems.

But you should be asking yourself what is my set up like, where do I want to go in the future, is there some else to troubleshoot/fix problems when you are away, what kind of backups do I need, how much am I willing to spend, etc etc.

SBS 2003 requires you to have a domain, all client pcs have to have 2000/XP pro, and the standard edition comes only with email hosting cap, the premium edition is quite a bit more expensive. For 6 pcs you will need another 5 CAL pack which costs as much as SBS2003, whereas with Server 2003, addl CALs are much cheaper. If you dont like it for any reason, you cannot revert to Server 2003.

JackMDS' suggestion to try out an experimental setup sounds like an excellent idea - see if it works for you, and price it out carefully. For small offices, website hosting/email is available from your ISP/Telco for about 100$/year so that should not be a reason to prefer SBS over plain server 2003. Incidentally Server 2003 can be set up for a peer to peer setup initially and you can switch to the full blown install when you need it.
 

RebateMonger

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Originally posted by: Slowlearner
.... or small offices, website hosting/email is available from your ISP/Telco for about 100$/year so that should not be a reason to prefer SBS over plain server 2003. Incidentally Server 2003 can be set up for a peer to peer setup initially and you can switch to the full blown install when you need it.
Slowlearner,
There is a VAST difference between the effect of adding a Windows Server 2003 to an office, versus an SBS 2003 Server. Server 2003 has no pre-configured ANYTHING. No pre-configured internal web site. No shared calendars, email, tasks, etc. No Wizards for configuring folder sharing. No daily status reports. No daily confirmation that backups are working. No remote access to computers.

But a Server 2003 install costs almost exactly the same as a full-blown SBS install for a small office. I'll stick my neck out (at the risk of offending people): A small business (meaning one without a dedicated IT person) installing a "plain" Server 2003 as their ONLY Server in an office should ask themselves, "Why are we doing this?".
 

JackMDS

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Originally posted by: RebateMonger
Jack,

While the Trial Kit is cool, I really find the Kit more appropriate for IT experts than for business owners. In order to properly do the evaluation, the owner is going to have to go through all the installation steps (including Remote Access configuration and the addition of at least one client PC).
I agree with you in principle and would not suggest such an endvour to the public at large.

1. In my mind if someone already found is way to this forum and he seems to ask an intelligent question there is a good probability that they can judge our suggestions.

2. When I post I try to give an honest answer to the OP, but I always keep in mind that there is many other viewers that read the info and Do Not participate in the discussion.

So I count on the OP to make is decisions as an adult who owns a business should.

Mean times there are others that read your excellent first post, Slowlearner perspective,
as well as find a source for Trial Kit of this Gem.

You should also know that it seems that Google scans this forum very frequently, many times you might find a reverence to a post here within few day after it was posted.

Put in a Google Bar rebatemonger and see what comes up in the first two places.

:sun:
 

RebateMonger

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Originally posted by: JackMDS
Put in a Google Bar "rebatemonger" and see what comes up in the first two places.
LOL. I wish that I could get MY web site to show up as easily! :)

Jack, as I hope you realize, I think you give wonderful advice on these Forums. And if there was only one person with one point of view here, it'd be REALLY boring!